One thing to think about is Windows 7 has terrible dpi scaling. If you have a high pixel density display Windows 8 and 10 are at least able to do it somewhat well. It could still use some improvements.
True, they do. But it is still a constant loss of a factor 3.2x (give or take).
In 4 years from now, with new cards, the loss will still the same.
It's not like when they introduced mip mapping, which is an algorithm that takes a millisecond now.
The HD to 4k framerate loss is a constant 3.2 framerate loss, today, and tomorrow.
In 4 years, when you switch from 4k to HD, you will still tripple your FPS.
Widspread acceptance of 4k, I believe, will not happen for gaming. Ever.
If 4k at 80 FPS can be done by a mid level card it won't matter. Isn't the argument that people can't tell the difference? Why run 1080 at 270 FPS over 4k at 80fps?
People can argue and talk semantics as long as they want.
4K gaming @60fps is and will be out of reach for the vast majority of PC users. Yes, as some here monotonously repeat 4K monitors are becoming cheaper. So what ? Right now no single GFX can handle 4K @60fps at high settings. Even two GTX 980 Ti's in SLI struggle to keep up.
1440p is the sweet spot in gaming today. High quality 1440p monitors are very affordable and with a 970 or 980 you can enjoy your games at 60 fps.
People can argue and talk semantics as long as they want.
4K gaming @60fps is and will be out of reach for the vast majority of PC users. Yes, as some here monotonously repeat 4K monitors are becoming cheaper. So what ? Right now no single GFX can handle 4K @60fps at high settings. Even two GTX 980 Ti's in SLI struggle to keep up.
1440p is the sweet spot in gaming today. High quality 1440p monitors are very affordable and with a 970 or 980 you can enjoy your games at 60 fps.
Did you change the resolution in game and take a screen shot? Or did you take a screenshot and then change the resolution in whatever image software?
I changed the resolution in game and took 2 screenshots of the same card in the Library.
Nothing else was changed. No Photoshop used.
It's a great example. I was just curious which way you did it. That really makes me want 4k now. Actually, I want an OLED monitor. Pretty much have wanted one as long as I have owned a smartphone. Even contrast on OLED is amazing at any brightness. Never to light or dark. Amazing colors. Gosh 4k OLED would be crazy.
Well we are in the year 2k ,i am beginning to think it might be the year 4k before i see another great game.
Pretty please,can every developer just make me anoteher 2500 Wow clones with linear questing and easy mode xp,it would really make buying a 4k rig so worth it ....ummmmm :P
Line em up kids.get those 4k rigs to look at cartoon graphics,,,ahem i mean artistic design roflmao.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Did you change the resolution in game and take a screen shot? Or did you take a screenshot and then change the resolution in whatever image software?
I changed the resolution in game and took 2 screenshots of the same card in the Library.
Nothing else was changed. No Photoshop used.
It's a great example. I was just curious which way you did it. That really makes me want 4k now. Actually, I want an OLED monitor. Pretty much have wanted one as long as I have owned a smartphone. Even contrast on OLED is amazing at any brightness. Never to light or dark. Amazing colors. Gosh 4k OLED would be crazy.
Although my ASUS PBQ287Q is not OLED the picture quality is exactly like a Retina OLED just in 28". It's brightness is really good even when the room is fully lit.
I really need to look at the difference side by side. Maybe i check the store i bought it in this week and see if they can set up my ASUS and one of their OLED's next to each other. Curious if there is a big difference.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Did you change the resolution in game and take a screen shot? Or did you take a screenshot and then change the resolution in whatever image software?
I changed the resolution in game and took 2 screenshots of the same card in the Library.
Nothing else was changed. No Photoshop used.
It's a great example. I was just curious which way you did it. That really makes me want 4k now. Actually, I want an OLED monitor. Pretty much have wanted one as long as I have owned a smartphone. Even contrast on OLED is amazing at any brightness. Never to light or dark. Amazing colors. Gosh 4k OLED would be crazy.
Although my ASUS PBQ287Q is not OLED the picture quality is exactly like a Retina OLED just in 28". It's brightness is really good even when the room is fully lit.
I really need to look at the difference side by side. Maybe i check the store i bought it in this week and see if they can set up my ASUS and one of their OLED's next to each other. Curious if there is a big difference.
You can certainly do that on your smartphone. OLEDs aren't backlight. Each pixel is essentially it's source of light. So the color contrast between all the various shades of similar colors is very distinct. In a lot of LCD's there's general areas in my experience where they lack. Light bleed or really hard to adjust the color contrast. I can dim the brightness on my phone and no matter what until the whole screen gets to dark to see. I can see the color contrast just as good between all colors when it's dim or bright. Maybe that's part of the AMOLED screen as well? I really don't know. Not a techhead or all that knowledgeable on the subject. I know I see a difference though.
Wow, those are the ones which costs my kids college fund?
Probably a better investment then the sad state of the current disaster colleges currently are in. It's only getting worse by caving to the demands of the lying entitled brats.
People can argue and talk semantics as long as they want.
4K gaming @60fps is and will be out of reach for the vast majority of PC users. Yes, as some here monotonously repeat 4K monitors are becoming cheaper. So what ? Right now no single GFX can handle 4K @60fps at high settings. Even two GTX 980 Ti's in SLI struggle to keep up.
1440p is the sweet spot in gaming today. High quality 1440p monitors are very affordable and with a 970 or 980 you can enjoy your games at 60 fps.
Well, it all depends on the game in question. In my experience, and i only have a single 980ti, much as i would love to have 2 of them, i can't afford it, but, to say that you can't run games at 4k and get 60 fps, really depends on the game, and bearing in mind i only run games at the highest settings possible; Eve Online, i can get 60 fps at 4k FFXIV:ARR i can get 45 fps at 4k WoW, unsurprisingly, 60fps at 4k
Even so, i don't generally have my monitor use 4k, as i find that 2560x1440 is overall, better, and at that resolution i never have any problems getting 60 fps, even at highest settings. So while i disagree that 4K gaming isn't really possible at 60 fps with a single gpu, i think your absolutely correct in saying that 2560x1440 is the sweet spot, i personally prefer that resolution even though i have a 4k monitor, and at that resolution, everything runs at 60 fps or more.
I'm not saying I'd recommend a TN monitor from a brand I'd never heard of, but only that not all 4K monitors cost a fortune. The ones you might reasonably want seem to start around $600.
In Champions Online, I get about 100 frames per second at 4320x2560. The other games I've played at ultra high resolutions (Trove and Elsword) didn't handle it well. The frame rates were fine, but Elsword has some weird text lag bug if you go over 3600x1600 where it handles 3D rendering fine but chokes on two particular text fonts. Trove, meanwhile, renders fine at high resolutions, but a lot of text vanishes.
People can argue and talk semantics as long as they want.
4K gaming @60fps is and will be out of reach for the vast majority of PC users. Yes, as some here monotonously repeat 4K monitors are becoming cheaper. So what ? Right now no single GFX can handle 4K @60fps at high settings. Even two GTX 980 Ti's in SLI struggle to keep up.
1440p is the sweet spot in gaming today. High quality 1440p monitors are very affordable and with a 970 or 980 you can enjoy your games at 60 fps.
Agreed
I've got a 27" 1080p 60hz, 27" 2k 144hz and a 42" 4k TV used as a monitor. It's funny when you have these devices right in front of you within 5 feet of each other and people are telling you that you can't see the difference.
Three rigs run my flightsim. My main rig I also use for gaming, it's an I7 4790k OC'd to 4.6mhz with a Titan X, high end ram, 2-1tb ssd's etc. etc. My flight sim uses up a whole 1tb ssd.
I use the 4k TV strictly for flight simulation and it looks absolutely stunning, the 2k 144hz also looks stunning, I use it for gaming. The 1080p I used to use for gaming.
I will run every game or sim at 60 fps or more and it's not because it looks better, it's for the "responsiveness". Control responsiveness is night and day between 30fps and 60fps. The higher the better "PERIOD" when it comes to latency and responsiveness.
A lot of this depends on many different factors as pointed out. Mostly it comes down to pixel density and how far away from the screen you are sitting. It also depends on the software and if it was designed for a higher DPI. Otherwise the text will be to small regardless and won't take advantage of the extra pixels to make the text appear sharper. Windows has always been somewhat poor at DPI scaling. A monitor that is 27 inches or more is not something you would want right in front of your face as it would be to wide to take everything in. This makes it hard to take advantage of the extra pixels when combined with sitting farther away from the screen.
Most MMOs don't have much in the way of system requirements compared to single player games. I don't think getting good FPS in certain MMOs is a good benchmark for what you would need in most games. In a new game like the Witcher 3 or Dragon Age Inquisition a GTX980 TI or Titan will cry on ultra settings with a 4K screen. It seems pretty obvious that there will be a big performance hit. All you need to do is switch between 720p and 1080p and on many games to see the FPS drop a lot.
Of course this is all personal preference. I had a 17 inch laptop screen at 1080p. I have to turn the DPI for Windows up to 125% at least to make it less stressful to read for my eyes. The optimal DPI for a 1080p monitor seems to be around 24 inches IMO.
People can argue and talk semantics as long as they want.
4K gaming @60fps is and will be out of reach for the vast majority of PC users. Yes, as some here monotonously repeat 4K monitors are becoming cheaper. So what ? Right now no single GFX can handle 4K @60fps at high settings. Even two GTX 980 Ti's in SLI struggle to keep up.
4k resolution is within our budgetary means but we won't spend money on it because I feel it would just be throwing money away.
There are things we're willing to spend larger sums of money on, a camera, a good navigation system for our car, etc.
But we're not willing to spend money on $800 GPU and $1000 monitors just to see a few more pixels some people argue they can't even see. GPU that will be outdated next year.
People can argue and talk semantics as long as they want.
4K gaming @60fps is and will be out of reach for the vast majority of PC users. Yes, as some here monotonously repeat 4K monitors are becoming cheaper. So what ? Right now no single GFX can handle 4K @60fps at high settings. Even two GTX 980 Ti's in SLI struggle to keep up.
1440p is the sweet spot in gaming today. High quality 1440p monitors are very affordable and with a 970 or 980 you can enjoy your games at 60 fps.
Well, it all depends on the game in question. In my experience, and i only have a single 980ti, much as i would love to have 2 of them, i can't afford it, but, to say that you can't run games at 4k and get 60 fps, really depends on the game, and bearing in mind i only run games at the highest settings possible; Eve Online, i can get 60 fps at 4k FFXIV:ARR i can get 45 fps at 4k WoW, unsurprisingly, 60fps at 4k
Even so, i don't generally have my monitor use 4k, as i find that 2560x1440 is overall, better, and at that resolution i never have any problems getting 60 fps, even at highest settings. So while i disagree that 4K gaming isn't really possible at 60 fps with a single gpu, i think your absolutely correct in saying that 2560x1440 is the sweet spot, i personally prefer that resolution even though i have a 4k monitor, and at that resolution, everything runs at 60 fps or more.
It makes a big difference if you disable antialiasing when playing at 4K, because you don't really need it. Suddenly your frame rate jumps up big time.
I would contend that even at 4K, anti-aliasing is still nice to have. But certainly, it's much, much less important than at lower resolutions, and 4K with anti-aliasing off is clearly superior to 2K with arbitrarily high anti-aliasing. If you're running into frame rate problems at 4K, turning anti-aliasing down or off is certainly one of the early things to change. But if your frame rate matches your monitor refresh rate even with anti-aliasing on, I'd leave it on. Some games really aren't very demanding.
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the most used resolution among regular PC users, not gamers in specific, is -- BY FAR -- notebook resolution
I don't like notebooks, just interesting data.
4K gaming @60fps is and will be out of reach for the vast majority of PC users. Yes, as some here monotonously repeat 4K monitors are becoming cheaper. So what ? Right now no single GFX can handle 4K @60fps at high settings. Even two GTX 980 Ti's in SLI struggle to keep up.
1440p is the sweet spot in gaming today. High quality 1440p monitors are very affordable and with a 970 or 980 you can enjoy your games at 60 fps.
Pretty please,can every developer just make me anoteher 2500 Wow clones with linear questing and easy mode xp,it would really make buying a 4k rig so worth it ....ummmmm :P
Line em up kids.get those 4k rigs to look at cartoon graphics,,,ahem i mean artistic design roflmao.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I really need to look at the difference side by side. Maybe i check the store i bought it in this week and see if they can set up my ASUS and one of their OLED's next to each other. Curious if there is a big difference.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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In my experience, and i only have a single 980ti, much as i would love to have 2 of them, i can't afford it, but, to say that you can't run games at 4k and get 60 fps, really depends on the game, and bearing in mind i only run games at the highest settings possible;
Eve Online, i can get 60 fps at 4k
FFXIV:ARR i can get 45 fps at 4k
WoW, unsurprisingly, 60fps at 4k
Even so, i don't generally have my monitor use 4k, as i find that 2560x1440 is overall, better, and at that resolution i never have any problems getting 60 fps, even at highest settings.
So while i disagree that 4K gaming isn't really possible at 60 fps with a single gpu, i think your absolutely correct in saying that 2560x1440 is the sweet spot, i personally prefer that resolution even though i have a 4k monitor, and at that resolution, everything runs at 60 fps or more.
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I'm not saying I'd recommend a TN monitor from a brand I'd never heard of, but only that not all 4K monitors cost a fortune. The ones you might reasonably want seem to start around $600.
I've got a 27" 1080p 60hz, 27" 2k 144hz and a 42" 4k TV used as a monitor. It's funny when you have these devices right in front of you within 5 feet of each other and people are telling you that you can't see the difference.
Three rigs run my flightsim. My main rig I also use for gaming, it's an I7 4790k OC'd to 4.6mhz with a Titan X, high end ram, 2-1tb ssd's etc. etc. My flight sim uses up a whole 1tb ssd.
I use the 4k TV strictly for flight simulation and it looks absolutely stunning, the 2k 144hz also looks stunning, I use it for gaming. The 1080p I used to use for gaming.
I will run every game or sim at 60 fps or more and it's not because it looks better, it's for the "responsiveness". Control responsiveness is night and day between 30fps and 60fps. The higher the better "PERIOD" when it comes to latency and responsiveness.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Most MMOs don't have much in the way of system requirements compared to single player games. I don't think getting good FPS in certain MMOs is a good benchmark for what you would need in most games. In a new game like the Witcher 3 or Dragon Age Inquisition a GTX980 TI or Titan will cry on ultra settings with a 4K screen. It seems pretty obvious that there will be a big performance hit. All you need to do is switch between 720p and 1080p and on many games to see the FPS drop a lot.
Of course this is all personal preference. I had a 17 inch laptop screen at 1080p. I have to turn the DPI for Windows up to 125% at least to make it less stressful to read for my eyes. The optimal DPI for a 1080p monitor seems to be around 24 inches IMO.
There are things we're willing to spend larger sums of money on, a camera, a good navigation system for our car, etc.
But we're not willing to spend money on $800 GPU and $1000 monitors just to see a few more pixels some people argue they can't even see. GPU that will be outdated next year.
But the second I hooked up my 4k system a SuperModel (who shall remain unnamed) knocked at my door and proceeded to give me a hummer.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
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