Black Desert Online is GW3

Prepared

How is Black Desert Online GW3?  

1. Far better aesthetic ( would have stated graphics but it seems the word of 2010 and beyond is aesthetic now )
2. Better action combat - can stop an animation in the middle of it. 
3. Best character builder of any MMORPG to date.
4. Nodes - set up your farming to do it for you - no need to bot
5. Siege combat - Destroy masses with a single blow
6. Mounts - take care of your mount and make it faster
7. Buy to play model with more content, classes later
8. World PvP system out in the game world
9. Great crafting system

.... there are others but it's late and too many to list ...  will add them later...

nvidia_g80

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w
7- stay way from this garbage

SpottyGekko

Somehow I don't think GW3 will be designed to exclude everything that was in GW2, lol

breadm1x

1 : It has PVP
2 : One can kill DMKano in it.
3 : With P2W i can spend money to do step 2 faster/more times.

I like it.

Allein

nvidia_g80 said:

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w
7- stay way from this garbage

While I don't agree that BDO is GW3 and find such comparisons silly...

1 - Increased for NA so not a huge deal. Find it better than self rez or trinity healing.
2 - Compared to GW2's geniuses?
3 - Weird as in a lot more engaging than GW2? Yes. Just turn special effects down or go blind.
4 - Plenty of end game PVE, just not themepark raiding/instances. Same gear grind either way.
5 - WvWvW? But there are several smaller structured PVP formats in BDO along with OW PVP.
6 - No P2W at launch, F2P/P2W unknown unless you have crystal ball. GW2 has RMT/P2W in shop FYI.
7 - Says the person in the BDO forum

Leon1e

Allein said:

nvidia_g80 said:

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w
7- stay way from this garbage

While I don't agree that BDO is GW3 and find such comparisons silly...

1 - Increased for NA so not a huge deal. Find it better than self rez or trinity healing.
2 - Compared to GW2's geniuses?
3 - Weird as in a lot more engaging than GW2? Yes. Just turn special effects down or go blind.
4 - Plenty of end game PVE, just not themepark raiding/instances. Same gear grind either way.
5 - WvWvW? But there are several smaller structured PVP formats in BDO along with OW PVP.
6 - No P2W at launch, F2P/P2W unknown unless you have crystal ball. GW2 has RMT/P2W in shop FYI.
7 - Says the person in the BDO forum

Have you seen the Gw2 raids? 
And how is Gw2 pay2win in anyway o.O Dump a million dollars in it and all you'd have more than me is shiny skins o.O I'd still kick your ass if i have the better build, which is all about passive abilities.

Or buying an expansion is now considered P2W? I'm confused. 

Obvious troll I guess.

WoeToTheVanquished

BDO's combat is way more immersive, fast paced, fluid, and you sincerely feel your character's progression. BDO's questing is absolute garbage (unless they fixed it for NA somehow). BDO's npcs have value outside of questing (you play mini-games with the npcs to unlock useful things). BDO has pvp similar to Lineage 1 (unless they change it for NA). BDO's graphics are on par with that of next gen consoles -- they're gorgeous.

YashaX

Prepared said:

How is Black Desert Online GW3?  

1. Far better aesthetic ( would have stated graphics but it seems the word of 2010 and beyond is aesthetic now )
2. Better action combat - can stop an animation in the middle of it. 
3. Best character builder of any MMORPG to date.
4. Nodes - set up your farming to do it for you - no need to bot
5. Siege combat - Destroy masses with a single blow
6. Mounts - take care of your mount and make it faster
7. Buy to play model with more content, classes later
8. World PvP system out in the game world
9. Great crafting system

.... there are others but it's late and too many to list ...  will add them later...

All these are great things about BDO, but not sure how that makes it GW3 any more than WoW2.

zaberfangx

Can't forget better open world.

Prepared

nvidia_g80 said:

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w

There is no p2w in Black Desert Online what-so-ever.  If there is, please explain how?
The action animation is weird to anyone that expects the animation to continue all the way through like it does in gw2.  That was one of the largest flaws in gw2 that you couldn't stop the animation once it started if you saw the player you're attacking moving to some where else.  With Black Desert Online you have more freedom in combat.

saurus123

Prepared said:

nvidia_g80 said:

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w

There is no p2w in Black Desert Online what-so-ever.  If there is, please explain how?
The action animation is weird to anyone that expects the animation to continue all the way through like it does in gw2.  That was one of the largest flaws in gw2 that you couldn't stop the animation once it started if you saw the player you're attacking moving to some where else.  With Black Desert Online you have more freedom in combat.

there is p2w in bdo (later on rng boxes with some pretty rewards)

1. topup
2. buy costumes, pets etc
3. sell them on market
4. buy best gear from market
5. endup being in top at day 1

strange becouse im playing gw2 from the start and theres no problem with combat animations and its more fluid than bdo one

maybe you mean animation skipping but thats the different thing and its nothing good :P

Wizardry

Over rated just as GW2 is over rated.If i had choice i really don't know which i would choose,maybe BDO but not certain.Neither game oes anything to excite me,i already have a busy 2016 with Dishonored 2 ,Doom,Quantum,ut2016 maybe some new Half Life game secretly pops out of no where,i see no time for half ass games like GW2 or BDO oh yes i forgot about The Division as well,just waiting for price to drop ,yeah i'm cheap :pleased: 

Prepared

saurus123 said:

Prepared said:

nvidia_g80 said:

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w

There is no p2w in Black Desert Online what-so-ever.  If there is, please explain how?
The action animation is weird to anyone that expects the animation to continue all the way through like it does in gw2.  That was one of the largest flaws in gw2 that you couldn't stop the animation once it started if you saw the player you're attacking moving to some where else.  With Black Desert Online you have more freedom in combat.

there is p2w in bdo (later on rng boxes with some pretty rewards)

1. topup
2. buy costumes, pets etc
3. sell them on market
4. buy best gear from market
5. endup being in top at day 1

strange becouse im playing gw2 from the start and theres no problem with combat animations and its more fluid than bdo one

maybe you mean animation skipping but thats the different thing and its nothing good :P

ahh so predicting the game will have p2w means that it has it?  That's funny.  

If predicting meant it has p2w then all MMORPGs would be that way.  If it doesn't have it, it doesn't have it.  It is what it is.  Not what it isn't.

ElRenmazuo

saurus123 said:

 its more fluid than bdo

heh okay

Allein

Leon1e said:

Have you seen the Gw2 raids? 
And how is Gw2 pay2win in anyway o.O Dump a million dollars in it and all you'd have more than me is shiny skins o.O I'd still kick your ass if i have the better build, which is all about passive abilities.

Or buying an expansion is now considered P2W? I'm confused. 

Obvious troll I guess.

Yes I have seen them, what is special? Assuming one wants to raid (grew out of it myself), what does GW2 offer that other games don't or that is worth writing home about?

I don't know how updated this Gem Store list is but boosts/services seem pretty standard P2W regardless of how much "winning" one might be doing with them.

P2W is obviously subjective and doesn't have one meaning, but buying convenience and or the ability to do things faster/better than someone that doesn't spend money seems to fit what is available in GW2.

BDO at launch actually has less helpful stuff (P2W) in the shop...

But yes I'm a troll because I'm giving my opinion in comparing two products that apparently you disagree with.

Would love to know what "Troll" means to you and how I'm being one. Overused terms for $100 Alex.

Reference:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gem_Store

Leon1e

Buying convenience is the premise of fair cash shop. Buying power is P2W. Buying exp booster is in no way buying power in a game where it takes a week tops to maxout in level without any boosters whatsoever. 

About the raids, they are challenging content, they are not auto-attack festivals like most raids in MMOs, which is what you implied. 

P2W is in no way subjective. You pay to *win*. Getting to max level is not a win. Infact, that's where the real game begins. A win would be if I play for 3 years and you toss few hundred dollars and beat the crap out of me. That's P2W. Clearly that's not going to happen in Gw2. Not to mention that you get rewarded experience boosters yourself with leveling through the new player experience system. 

And to answer your question - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=urban+dictionary+troll  

tom_gore

Seamless world is also a bonus compared to GW2.

Lorgarn

tom_gore said:

Seamless world is also a bonus compared to GW2.

Indeed,

I've only played 5-6 hours of BDO in total but that game feels so much more alive, immersive and expansive. It actually feels that you're adventuring in a big world. I can't really put my finger on why but I'm going to assume that the seamlessness has something to do with it in part.

Now, whether or not it'll turn out great, or P2W, or whatever. Only time will tell.

Mikeha

Cant be GW3 without the Dynamic Events.

bcbully

saurus123 said:

Prepared said:

nvidia_g80 said:

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w

There is no p2w in Black Desert Online what-so-ever.  If there is, please explain how?
The action animation is weird to anyone that expects the animation to continue all the way through like it does in gw2.  That was one of the largest flaws in gw2 that you couldn't stop the animation once it started if you saw the player you're attacking moving to some where else.  With Black Desert Online you have more freedom in combat.

there is p2w in bdo (later on rng boxes with some pretty rewards)

1. topup
2. buy costumes, pets etc
3. sell them on market
4. buy best gear from market
5. endup being in top at day 1

strange becouse im playing gw2 from the start and theres no problem with combat animations and its more fluid than bdo one

maybe you mean animation skipping but thats the different thing and its nothing good :P

None of that stuff is in NA/EU BDO.

None of it.  It's a true B2P. More in line with ESO. Less p2w than GW2 where you CAN buy gold.

Will this change? Maybe, maybe not. As of right now though, BDO is clean as a whistle.

Leon1e

bcbully said:

saurus123 said:

Prepared said:

nvidia_g80 said:

1- 2sec hp potion spamming
2- baindead worldbosses
3- weird action animation
4- no end game pve
5- zerg fest pvp
6-  b2p with p2w and soon f2p with heavy p2w

There is no p2w in Black Desert Online what-so-ever.  If there is, please explain how?
The action animation is weird to anyone that expects the animation to continue all the way through like it does in gw2.  That was one of the largest flaws in gw2 that you couldn't stop the animation once it started if you saw the player you're attacking moving to some where else.  With Black Desert Online you have more freedom in combat.

there is p2w in bdo (later on rng boxes with some pretty rewards)

1. topup
2. buy costumes, pets etc
3. sell them on market
4. buy best gear from market
5. endup being in top at day 1

strange becouse im playing gw2 from the start and theres no problem with combat animations and its more fluid than bdo one

maybe you mean animation skipping but thats the different thing and its nothing good :P

None of that stuff is in NA/EU BDO.

None of it.  It's a true B2P. More in line with ESO. Less p2w than GW2 where you CAN buy gold.

Will this change? Maybe, maybe not. As of right now though, BDO is clean as a whistle.

And gold makes you a winner at what exactly? I'd stomp you all day long even with 1 gold. I know it's fun and giggles to talk as if you know your shit, but you clearly don't. Educate yourself. What is P2W and what isn't. And no, it's not a subjective term. If you buy power, then it's pay2win. A perfect example would be World of Tanks and their golden bullets. That shit is pay2win. Buying gold isn't for the same reason gear is not that much of a factor in this game. You can buy all the freaking gear and if you suck at the combat, well ... you suck. No amount of cash is going to fix this. 

And here I thought that was a simple concept, and yet here you are, 2 guys so far from the truth, it's pathetic. 

P.S: No amount of gold is going to help in you PvE either. You can purchase all the legendary stuff and you'll still fail at raids if you are a bad player. 

At what exactly do you win with gold in Gw2? Some fashion contest? xD Yay, much win. So pro xD unbelievable. The richest players in the game are trading post farmers, who have spent 0$ in making their fortune. 

mgilbrtsn

I understand that you like some of the mechanics, but I don't think that makes it a GW3.  They are apples and oranges.  Guild Wars is a franchise that builds on itself.  

Revofire

It looks great except for one thing: housing. I was all ready to be immersed to no end and then they announced housing is instanced. Great.

timtrack

I always thought Black Desert Online was Black Desert Online. I feel so stupid now.

Mardukk

I saw that housing is instanced is that a new development?  I thought much of the appeal of bdo was going to be the non instanced housing?  It was talked about over and over.  

Hopefully bdo offers the freedom of gw2 (things to do other than quest).  And hopefully the bdo pvp has a bit more risk vs reward and permanence to it like darkfall not constant keep flipping like gw2.

Haralin

If they wanted to be GW3 they fail, in my book they even cannot touch GW2.

Just another P2W Asia Game.