Party EXP penalty, basically if you solo you get 100% exp. When you party, for example four-man team, exp spread out to 25% for each member. This is stupid, this is why MMO becoming too solo-centric over the years.
Forming party should benefit you rather than punish you for playing together.
Being a part of 4 man team you probably kill mobs 4 times faster or even more, depending of a game. MMOs becoming solo-centric is surely a huge problem, but distributing exp gains evenly is hardly the reason to blame.
Some rng is ok. I mean whan you kill a worldboss or a raidboss he will most likely have a fairly large lootlist and randomly drop something from that list.
I guess it's more related to quest items from mobs, and i agree rng can be realy anoying in thoose.
Not sure if there's any mechanic i hate enough to make me stop playing if it's done well. Not beeing able to jump is pretty bad though. I know it's silly, but if my character cant jump it's just not the same.
Invisible borders and exaustion zones. I know maps need borders, but i prefer a wall or a mountainchain you cant cross or at least an ocean if nothing else. I like to explore and showing a piece of land and then border it off with exaustion zones, i dont like it.
Some rng is ok. I mean whan you kill a worldboss or a raidboss he will most likely have a fairly large lootlist and randomly drop something from that list.
I guess it's more related to quest items from mobs, and i agree rng can be realy anoying in thoose.
Not sure if there's any mechanic i hate enough to make me stop playing if it's done well. Not beeing able to jump is pretty bad though. I know it's silly, but if my character cant jump it's just not the same.
Invisible borders and exaustion zones. I know maps need borders, but i prefer a wall or a mountainchain you cant cross or at least an ocean if nothing else. I like to explore and showing a piece of land and then border it off with exaustion zones, i dont like it.
I think boarders a good thing to an extent. It's fun to have places that are difficult to reach because you have to travel through a dungeon and come out the other side or you have to acquire a certain item that lets you bypass or travel across certain areas. I don't see that in modern MMOs at all.
I don't think it would be serving it's purpose if you enjoyed it.
So it is a design that reduces enjoyment of an ENTERTAINMENT product? No wonder it is no longer used.
Its designed to get the risk vs reward feeling, give you a reason to care about staying alive, being careful in what you do, not letting you feel invincible and just throwing bodys at things because "who cares if we die".
I find it so much more dull games make death pointless these days. They dont use it anymore because they cant upset the solo casuals and easy handholding gameplay is all we have left now.
I don't think it would be serving it's purpose if you enjoyed it.
So it is a design that reduces enjoyment of an ENTERTAINMENT product? No wonder it is no longer used.
Its designed to get the risk vs reward feeling, give you a reason to care about staying alive, being careful in what you do, not letting you feel invincible and just throwing bodys at things because "who cares if we die".
I find it so much more dull games make death pointless these days. They dont use it anymore because they cant upset the solo casuals and easy handholding gameplay is all we have left now.
You find it dull, others find it non-fun. Guess which side has the bigger market?
Or just make it optional, like D3.
Plus, players don't have to care about death to have fun (clearly). You can just care if you fail to down the boss, and have to try again.
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Afterthought... I think the mechanic I dislike the most is how moron developers seem to confuse "sandbox MMORPG" with "forced PvP". One of the main reasons why we didn't get a quality traditional sandbox MMORPG since UO (*).
(*) Except SWG, which died for different reasons, and EvE which isn't a traditional MMORPG.
agreed!
people have asked me 'if you dont like pvp why do you play EvE and Darkfall' and its frustrating that i have to explain it but its because the games overall are really good (although eve i have second thoughts on) if there were pve version of those two games I would play them but at the time it was that or 'Everquest 2 seen it all before'.
side note, someone is making an Eve like game that is pve. we shall see if it actually gets traction
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In EvE, the vast majority of players never engage PvP, they mostly stay in high sec space. That's not some fact out of my mind, it's something CCP stated several times. Tha'ts why EvE works, because non-PvP gameplay is viable. I'm not playing EvE for different reasons - the "play a spaceship" aspect is not my thing. But it's definitely the last decent sandbox (along with grand-pa UO of course).
well at the risk of me diving off topic into eve, the game to me is the most fascinating to learn but the least interesting to actually play. Regarding pvp in Eve I had my fill of pvp personalities in Darkfall and as a result I see Eve as just a community filled with sociopaths so I tend to explictly avoid all socialization in that game
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In EvE, the vast majority of players never engage PvP, they mostly stay in high sec space. That's not some fact out of my mind, it's something CCP stated several times. Tha'ts why EvE works, because non-PvP gameplay is viable. I'm not playing EvE for different reasons - the "play a spaceship" aspect is not my thing. But it's definitely the last decent sandbox (along with grand-pa UO of course).
well at the risk of me diving off topic into eve, the game to me is the most fascinating to learn but the least interesting to actually play. Regarding pvp in Eve I had my fill of pvp personalities in Darkfall and as a result I see Eve as just a community filled with sociopaths so I tend to explictly avoid all socialization in that game
I agree with you on Darkfall. But that's what niche games like that tend to end like anyway. UO was exactly the same than Darkfall (or shall I say Darkfail?) before they added Trammel. PvE players where leaving massively because they couldn't even leave a town without being ganked by a minority whose only goal was to ruin other player's time. Origin adds Trammel, UO's population recovers and peaks for several years to come.
agreed 100%
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Free-to-play, because basicly it means pay-for-others or they will call it pay-to-win. Want extra bagspace? May we have your creditcard? You want to have a faster mount? May we have your creditcard? What's wrong with a solid game for which you pay a monthly fee and can do/earn everything ingame by playing?
Free-to-play, because basicly it means pay-for-others or they will call it pay-to-win. Want extra bagspace? May we have your creditcard? You want to have a faster mount? May we have your creditcard? What's wrong with a solid game for which you pay a monthly fee and can do/earn everything ingame by playing?
Nothing is wrong with it, it is just that free 2 play makes a lot more. It would be similar to opening up a casino where you could play all the games for 14.99. They make a lot more, when they add in gambling boxes, and stuff you can buy with cash. Not that it matters any ways, within days stupid people end up buying stuff from the other people with cash. So to me all MMOS are dead, unless it donation based, because those seem the only ones who actually ban people for RMT. All the MMOs either have a cash shop where you can buy everything in the game like eve, from accounts, to everything. Or some other kind of cash shop where you can trade the stuff in the cash shop for money, and buy everything in the game. I have seen one exception to that, and its not really a MMO, it is path of Exile, where there is a cash shop, and the stuff in the cash shop can't be traded in game. I bet though some one sells the stuff for that game some where, and it ruins the whole thing.
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Aside from that, i hate RNG loot tables. Give me the loot im fighting for or go away.
I guess it's more related to quest items from mobs, and i agree rng can be realy anoying in thoose.
Not sure if there's any mechanic i hate enough to make me stop playing if it's done well. Not beeing able to jump is pretty bad though. I know it's silly, but if my character cant jump it's just not the same.
Invisible borders and exaustion zones. I know maps need borders, but i prefer a wall or a mountainchain you cant cross or at least an ocean if nothing else. I like to explore and showing a piece of land and then border it off with exaustion zones, i dont like it.
Oh look nice mountain but I cant even try to climb it, invisible wall. Oh look a door that doesnt open, nice. etc.
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I find it so much more dull games make death pointless these days. They dont use it anymore because they cant upset the solo casuals and easy handholding gameplay is all we have left now.
Or just make it optional, like D3.
Plus, players don't have to care about death to have fun (clearly). You can just care if you fail to down the boss, and have to try again.
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Lulz
Let's not even go down that path, deserves it's own thread.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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When it comes to not being able to open doors I am a little more forgiving but most of the games I play (if not all) if you see it you can get to it.
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people have asked me 'if you dont like pvp why do you play EvE and Darkfall' and its frustrating that i have to explain it but its because the games overall are really good (although eve i have second thoughts on) if there were pve version of those two games I would play them but at the time it was that or 'Everquest 2 seen it all before'.
side note, someone is making an Eve like game that is pve. we shall see if it actually gets traction
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But enjoy your binary world. I live in a world of grays.
What's wrong with a solid game for which you pay a monthly fee and can do/earn everything ingame by playing?
Free players don't care about playing a monthly fee when they can play for free (clearly ignoring the cash shop and don't mind others "winning").
Whales don't like the lack of p2w.
Dev want more money.
It seems it is pretty clear what is wrong with a "solid game which you may a monthly fee".
Enjoy your 50 Shades of Gray.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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