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The Comprehensive Guide to PVP in BDO - Black Desert Online News

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  • anemoanemo Member RarePosts: 1,903
    Wow a lot of the people complaining about this system, are exactly the people the system is designed to work against.

    So "Working as intended".

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  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Rhoklaw said:
    It currently costs 200,000 silver to declare war on another guild. Guilds can only declare war on 5 other guilds at one time. Guilds can only have a maximum of 100 members. Guilds can also decline a declaration, but I'm not sure of the cost to do so. I'm sure you'll have guilds that will do nothing but declare wars just for no reason. For the most part, guilds will only declare war to fight over territory / resources / grind spots. It actually reminds me a little bit of Shadowbane, except far less buggy.

    After researching it a bit I was a little disturbed with declaration due to guild declares, opposing guild does not have to accept and declaring guild can attack and kill opposing guild member without karma loss.

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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    Celestian said:
    The PVP system is really wonky. I get that they don't want you ganking people that are low but getting a karma hit for fighting people your own level just seems silly.

    You have to FLAG for PVP. The system is almost like WoW PVE server ... I just don't get how this is the new "sandbox" dreamscape people are claiming it to be...The endgame for BDO is suppose to be PVP but you'll be grinding out endless karma repair if you PVP against anyone not "flagged"????

    It would be far better if you just got perma-flagged PVP at 50 and be done with it.

    Nothing wrong AT ALL with a PvP flagging system, this game would be DOA if it was an open world gank fest anything goes.
  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667
    Sovrath said:
    Konfess said:
    Sovrath said:
    Konfess said:


    I'm going to answer your question, knowing full well that my theory if very controversial.  But that doesn't make it any less true.

    Non-Consensual PvP is a substitute for fulfilling a Non-Consensual Sex fantasy.  This is why developer either don't permit it or put penalties in place to limit it.  No developer wants their game to be know as the Number One Rape Simulator.  Few speak it, but it crosses everyone's minds.
    did you just call every full loot pvp game a rape simulator? AND all those that play them non-consensual sex fantasizers? ....... that's a bit harsh dude. 
    But True none the less.  
    Probably not. That's pretty much based on what?


    I suspect the reason someone has difficulty understanding this concept is because they are focused on the difference between PvP and Sex.  True they are different and supposedly unrelated things.  So don't focus the terms PvP and Sex, be only concerned with Consensual vs Non-Consensual.  In Consensual, both parties agree to participate to their mutual enjoyment.  In Non-Consensual, one party does not agree or gives permission.  The other party is exerting force, domination, and control.  Usually the goal is to subjugate or humiliate the non-compliant party.  This is where the connection is derived.

    I hope this explanation has made everything clear to everyone.  I would recommend seeking a professional at a local university or community college to answer any further questions anyone may still have.
    So you are basically saying "don't focus on them being different because they are but look at the similarity and then, in that light they are the same?

    "Consensual" and "Non-Consensual" can be colored in multiple ways.

    When I was young my mother would make me do a lot of chores. This was non-consensual because I didn't want to do them but she had the power. However, there were times I would do chores (consensual) because I felt they needed to be done.

    Are you going to then try to link my mother's desire to force me into something I don't want to do with something else it has nothing to do with?

    This just sounds to me like you want to make a correlation to something based on some agenda.

    And I'll remind you that in a pvp game, logging in knowing it is a pvp game is consent just like playing tackle footbal is consent to the rules of the game and the idea of "being tackled".
    Again Please everyone should seek a professional for further questions.

    I am not implying that the level of violence is equivalent, but that the individual level of harm and suffering can be.

    If a witness observed the parent child interaction and had concerns they would report it to professional.  Who would investigate looking for evidence.  If and when evidence is found, action would be considered.

    Passive consent is not the same as active consent.  Returning to the  football analogy.  A spectator in the stands does not consent to be tackled simply by being there.  Neither does a photographer or referee working down on the sidelines or field express consent.  The arguments They were there, They wanted to participate.  Or Look at the way They are dressed, They wanted to participate.  Are invalid arguments for active consent.

    This is why the industry has put in level of consent (age), and active consent mechanics (PvP flags).

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