The game never get to the sandbox until you get the PvP flag Phry.
Flagging for PVP gets into PVP, nothing more, nothing less.
BDO is a themepark through and through - standard level and gear progression like in any other themepark game.
It is just silly people that put negative connotation to the term, so let's please avoid it.
Not really the game is a PvE/PvP game the first 44 levels are all PvE and very well done can hook you really fast. The PvP game is the OW FFA post 45.
The problem is that the PvP crowd is crying about having to do 45 levels to PvP and the PvE crowd will be raging they have to PvP to do the last 45 levels.
Going to be one big shit storm when everyone and the game will probably fail which is why I am not in game right now because I don't see long term atm.
Going to sit around and watch the forums and see what happens in 3 days when every PvE is already near the PvP flag.
Not really the game is a PvE/PvP game the first 44 levels are all PvE and very well done can hook you really fast. The PvP game is the OW FFA post 45.
The problem is that the PvP crowd is crying about having to do 45 levels to PvP and the PvE crowd will be raging they have to PvP to do the last 45 levels.
Going to be one big shit storm when everyone and the game will probably fail which is why I am not in game right now because I don't see long term atm.
Going to sit around and watch the forums and see what happens in 3 days when every PvE is already near the PvP flag.
However, that has nothing to do with themepark/sandbox topic, it just means BDO is a themepark with OW-FFA-PVP.
Yeah, this will be Archeage all over again - PVP in order to PVE is abysmal fail design.
Not really the game is a PvE/PvP game the first 44 levels are all PvE and very well done can hook you really fast. The PvP game is the OW FFA post 45.
The problem is that the PvP crowd is crying about having to do 45 levels to PvP and the PvE crowd will be raging they have to PvP to do the last 45 levels.
Going to be one big shit storm when everyone and the game will probably fail which is why I am not in game right now because I don't see long term atm.
Going to sit around and watch the forums and see what happens in 3 days when every PvE is already near the PvP flag.
However, that has nothing to do with themepark/sandbox topic, it just means BDO is a themepark with OW-FFA-PVP.
Yeah, this will be Archeage all over again - PVP in order to PVE is abysmal fail design.
LOL yep and why I am like I say not going to invest time and more money in it until I see if it actually survives 6 months.
The game never get to the sandbox until you get the PvP flag Phry.
Flagging for PVP gets into PVP, nothing more, nothing less.
BDO is a themepark through and through - standard level and gear progression.
It is just silly people that put negative connotation to the term, so please let's avoid it.
I guess you're in for a surprise (if you are playing) because the attacker can flag and the other guy don't have to flag back and can attack and kill you which cost you experience. Will he care he went red? No
At 56 he can work it off in 16 minutes killing equally challenging mobs and gaining experience where you at 56 will have to work for some 34 minutes to catch up.
You may have bought the game like me.
But I poured a lot of hours in to study of the mechanics and then found the game I bought is not what I thought.
BDO post 45 is a OW FFA PvP game with some PvE content.
If you want some guides that explain things much better with no BS or wrong info, good narration (just ignore the "pooper" part lol) that actually teach you how to play the game and classes, check out Hakurai on YT ....or if you rather read it, check out this instead.
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This game will be just like every other failing OW MMO post 45.
PvPers will be ganking and gaming the PvP system, like they always do, driving the PvEers away from the game, then the PvPers will blame the PvEers for the games failure, like they always do. It will never work. PvPers are always the minority. PvEers are always, always the majority in this type of game.
I'll give it a week before the hue and cry begins. And I'll hold off buying the game as IMO it will go FTP by Christmas/New Years, or the announcement will come out about that time. The BTP option is so the game doesn't have an ArcheAge type of faceplant launch. As the PvEers dwindle, they'll change it back to FTP like it was supposed to be.
Note: Apologies if this appears as one giant wall of text, the source doesn't look like that, not sure what the issue is. I'll try and underline where the breaks in the paragraph should be like this.
He builds this game as a sandbox game but it comes off more as a open ended theme park. It focuses more on levels, gives a few quests (his definition at the beginning can be used for games like EQ and almost for WoW)
It has some sandbox like features but is very much still in the themepark realm as it focuses on levels, getting better gear (it uses gems like upgrades) gathering nodes to get better gear.
Sandbox focus way more on building the personality of your character and telling who they are, not what they are. Doesn't help this game also has classes which tend to role more with theme park rather than sandboxes.
Also I originally had a whole rant about the karma doing nothing except giving you a hard time, until at the very end (thank you for leaving that as the very last thing you mentioned btw, that should have been mentioned in your talk about karma) about there being an outlaw town which does help some but I'd need to know what is in that "outlaw" town.
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I feel they went completely up the wrong tree and was imo a decision ONLY based on trying to get more numbers.
You can't start involving too much activity and game design around pvp,it just does not work to co exist with pve and imo it likely never will because you would have to create a game world much like our earth,with police and jails etc etc and players simply would not go for being arrested and stuffed in a jail for 20 years lmao.
Three things is all it would take to get me aboard and imo the game would rock. #1 lose the pvp altogether #2 Create grouping not soloing. #3 Lose the spammy combat,slow it the heck down,a Ranger/Archer does not shoot arrows like that. There are some other tweaks i could go for,but these few area would have made this a great game to play for all pve'rs.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I feel they went completely up the wrong tree and was imo a decision ONLY based on trying to get more numbers.
You can't start involving too much activity and game design around pvp,it just does not work to co exist with pve and imo it likely never will because you would have to create a game world much like our earth,with police and jails etc etc and players simply would not go for being arrested and stuffed in a jail for 20 years lmao.
Three things is all it would take to get me aboard and imo the game would rock. #1 lose the pvp altogether #2 Create grouping not soloing. #3 Lose the spammy combat,slow it the heck down,a Ranger/Archer does not shoot arrows like that. There are some other tweaks i could go for,but these few area would have made this a great game to play for all pve'rs.
They would have to scrap the entire code base to make it even remotely PvE only so I guess we got stuck with what it is. To emphasize this.
1. - PvE to PvP flag is no longer a quest. You are going to level to be flaged PvP weather you want to or not. Only option you will have is to quit playing or flag OW FFA PvP
2. - If you are PvE you will be forced to PvP or die and take experience loss. If you flag up there is not experience loss or karma hit on your attacker if they kill you.
I remember Aion's original marketing blurb - "this is pvpve!" - Yeah, that worked out well. Whenever a game tries to have enforced mixing of the two play styles, there is usually one outcome: Dissatisfaction in both camps. Eastern mmo playerbase seems to accept this mix, but it is one aspect of these port-over games that runs into serious problems in the West.
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BDO is a themepark through and through - standard level and gear progression.
It is just silly people that put negative connotation to the term, so please let's avoid it.
The problem is that the PvP crowd is crying about having to do 45 levels to PvP and the PvE crowd will be raging they have to PvP to do the last 45 levels.
Going to be one big shit storm when everyone and the game will probably fail which is why I am not in game right now because I don't see long term atm.
Going to sit around and watch the forums and see what happens in 3 days when every PvE is already near the PvP flag.
If you are interested in making a MMO maybe visit my page to get a free open source engine.
Yeah, this will be Archeage all over again - PVP in order to PVE is abysmal fail design.
LOL yep and why I am like I say not going to invest time and more money in it until I see if it actually survives 6 months.
If you are interested in making a MMO maybe visit my page to get a free open source engine.
At 56 he can work it off in 16 minutes killing equally challenging mobs and gaining experience where you at 56 will have to work for some 34 minutes to catch up.
You may have bought the game like me.
But I poured a lot of hours in to study of the mechanics and then found the game I bought is not what I thought.
BDO post 45 is a OW FFA PvP game with some PvE content.
If you are interested in making a MMO maybe visit my page to get a free open source engine.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
PvPers will be ganking and gaming the PvP system, like they always do, driving the PvEers away from the game, then the PvPers will blame the PvEers for the games failure, like they always do. It will never work. PvPers are always the minority. PvEers are always, always the majority in this type of game.
I'll give it a week before the hue and cry begins. And I'll hold off buying the game as IMO it will go FTP by Christmas/New Years, or the announcement will come out about that time. The BTP option is so the game doesn't have an ArcheAge type of faceplant launch. As the PvEers dwindle, they'll change it back to FTP like it was supposed to be.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
You can't start involving too much activity and game design around pvp,it just does not work to co exist with pve and imo it likely never will because you would have to create a game world much like our earth,with police and jails etc etc and players simply would not go for being arrested and stuffed in a jail for 20 years lmao.
Three things is all it would take to get me aboard and imo the game would rock.
#1 lose the pvp altogether
#2 Create grouping not soloing.
#3 Lose the spammy combat,slow it the heck down,a Ranger/Archer does not shoot arrows like that.
There are some other tweaks i could go for,but these few area would have made this a great game to play for all pve'rs.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
They would have to scrap the entire code base to make it even remotely PvE only so I guess we got stuck with what it is. To emphasize this.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/17922-what-level-do-i-need-to-quit-at-to-never-pvp/&page=6#comment-486254
2. - If you are PvE you will be forced to PvP or die and take experience loss. If you flag up there is not experience loss or karma hit on your attacker if they kill you.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/23424-pk-myth/#comment-487791
3. - Guild wars no longer require upkeep cost. So guilds can declare wars and do not have to maintain the high cost of doing so.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/16884-gvg-war-mechanics/
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/446532/if-bdo-was-changed-after-launch-to-be-more-like-df-what-would-you-do/p1
No one understood or maybe didn't care?
O well
If you are interested in making a MMO maybe visit my page to get a free open source engine.
Whenever a game tries to have enforced mixing of the two play styles, there is usually one outcome:
Dissatisfaction in both camps.
Eastern mmo playerbase seems to accept this mix, but it is one aspect of these port-over games that runs into serious problems in the West.
also his topic in twitch is : BDO sandbox? are you serieus? look for others streamers who actually know the game