Making a new PC, thoughts please!

odinswill

Hi all,

Due to all the demanding graphics the new upcomming mmorpg's I've decided to invest some cash in a new PC.

Someone I know made this PC comp, I don't know much about PC's, but would like to know the people who know best : the one's playing games.

Please take a few mn's and look at this PC components, the price, what maybe you would add/take out/improve and reasons why, would be fully appreciated!

http://www.ldlc.ch/b-69dfb359b993806c.html

Regards to all.

karmath

Yeah its pretty good, however I would personally hold off on buying a graphics card as the new nvidia cards are coming out in april.

Gdemami

karmath said:

Yeah its pretty good, however I would personally hold off on buying a graphics card as the new nvidia cards are coming out in april.

The cards will be "announced" only, still a rumor, and no ETA when they actually hit the shelves in stores, that could be easily +6 months away.

Gdemami

The parts looks OK. There could be some changes made but that is purely personal preference.

However, there are 2 things I would consider:

1) Dropping that K CPU.

The times of massive overclocks and gains are long over. It is lots of money for very little gain, if any.  

The notable exception are RTS that still use a lot of CPU power and depend on it but that might change in upcoming years too.

Swapping for i5-6500 + H110/B150 board could save you about 150 CHF.

2) I see no HDD. I assume you are carrying over your HDD from old machine.

Depending on age of the device and data you store on it, I would consider buying a new one.

Malabooga

If you dont know much about computers drop "i5-6600k" for "6600". You can drop CPU cooler then.

Drop "Z" board and get "H" board

Drop NVidia GTX970 and get AMD R9 390.

Drop 16GB RAM and get 8 GB (2x4) and get faster RAM (2666 or 2800 MHz)

Malabooga

karmath said:

Yeah its pretty good, however I would personally hold off on buying a graphics card as the new nvidia cards are coming out in april.

No they arent. In fact if they actually talk about them it will be first time we ever hear about them. For now NVidia didnt say 1 word about consumer new cards. Except they will be on new 16 nm node.

Vrika

If you're not planning to overclock, you could do with a cheaper motherboard. Also that CPU cooler is only good for overclocking, or if care about noise level of that computer.

I assume it's planned that you're only buying 250GB of hard disk space? If I were you I'd try to get 500GB SSD instead. EDIT: This is assuming you'll only have that one SSD hard disk. If you're going to attach some old hard disk to the computer than 250GB is enough /EDIT

That computer doesn't have DVD drive, but as long as you're aware of it and decided you don't need to have DVD drive it's ok.

That computer doesn't have any operating system.

Bellomo

Who do you guys suggest to buy a performance pc from?

carotid

Bellomo said:

Who do you guys suggest to buy a performance pc from?

No one. Build it yourself.

Vrika

Malabooga said:

Drop 16GB RAM and get 8 GB (2x4) and get faster RAM (2666 or 2800 MHz)

I think the RAM picked by OP is more than fast enough. In this case RAM size is more important than RAM speed.

carotid

odinswill said:

Hi all,

Due to all the demanding graphics the new upcomming mmorpg's I've decided to invest some cash in a new PC.

Someone I know made this PC comp, I don't know much about PC's, but would like to know the people who know best : the one's playing games.

Please take a few mn's and look at this PC components, the price, what maybe you would add/take out/improve and reasons why, would be fully appreciated!

http://www.ldlc.ch/b-69dfb359b993806c.html

Regards to all.

I don't think you should change anything. You did good :-)

13lake

That gigabyte 970 is not the best choice(it only has 1 fan, shortened pcb and thermal throttles way more often), there's a zotac and an inno3d for 5-8 CHF more one of those is a much better choice, i'd also go for the the same corsair memory series, same 2x8GB just at 2666Mhz instead, and a i5-6600 cpu without the k.

You also dont need the 630w the same psu just the 530w is enough, and as for the motherboard MSI B150 Gaming M3 is a really good choice.

Here i altered the basket

http://www.ldlc.ch/b-304cf05d7bd5869a.html 

SEANMCAD

I find it ironic how people will run out and buy a GTX 970 to run Quantum Break but when Oculus mentions basically the same specs people say Oculus will fail because less than 1% of PCs have this card and nobody is going to spend that kind of money....

tawess

Sean... are you projecting.... Nobody said anything along those lines here. 


Anyway back to the OP

I would disregard any advice to swap a Nvidia for a AMD at this point in time. Stick with what the majority use and you will have the least problems. 

13lake

Btw the reason why i'm insisting for 2666Mhz+ DDR4, is because unlike every previous generation with ddr3 and ddr4 (5820k,5930k,5960x), this time around with skylake there is a difference. specifically difference in the minimum/minimal fps in games.

and 2666Mhz is the sweetspot of best price/fps difference, the boost in min fps doesn't justify the 3000Mhz memory price premium yet, but 2666Mhz is close enough to the 2133Mhz price, that it pays off to get it.

Gdemami

13lake said:

Btw the reason why i'm insisting for 2666Mhz+ DDR4, is because unlike every previous generation with ddr3 and ddr4 (5820k,5930k,5960x), this time around with skylake there is a difference. specifically difference in the minimum/minimal fps in games.

and 2666Mhz is the sweetspot of best price/fps difference, the boost in min fps doesn't justify the 3000Mhz memory price premium yet, but 2666Mhz is close enough to the 2133Mhz price, that it pays off to get it.

...still pushing pushing this nonsense, despite being provided links proving otherwise.

Ridelynn

I was able to find this review in regards to the PSU. This isn't the exact same unit, I couldn't find a detailed review of that.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/beQuiet/PurePower_L8_730W/9.html

It would probably be ok, but you may be able to find something better quality for not a big difference in price. As was said earlier by @13lake, 500W+ would be fine if you aren't overclocking, 600-650W is the sweet spot that can handle pretty much anything.

Apart from that, I'll put in the obligatory "Windows License" comment, and say the build generally looks like it will work, and perform pretty well.

Quizzical

Some people above are assuming that the original poster doesn't want to overclock.  I'd look at his build and assume that maybe he does.

Even so, you could get a much cheaper motherboard that is still plenty nice:

http://www.ldlc.ch/fiche/PB00192865.html

If that SSD is your only storage, you may want a bigger one, too:

http://www.ldlc.ch/fiche/PB00198019.html

A lot depends on what you're willing to spend, but personally, I'd get a nicer power supply like this:

http://www.ldlc.ch/fiche/PB00136221.html

The one you picked should work fine, though.

13lake

A much better choice for a gold power supply is the enermax revolution xt 530w its only 92 CHF
http://www.ldlc.ch/fiche/PB00159191.html 

Though there is one thing the be quiet ones have that is extremely better than any other psu, they got the best fans(best performance/silence ratio, and most longevity)

Also in the case if you want to overclock op, the mobo Quizzical linked is a poor choice, it only has 5 power phases, the asus one you choose is decent as it has 10 phases.

But the absolute best overclockers in that range are the Gigabyte z170x-ud3  http://www.ldlc.ch/fiche/PB00193256.html same 175 CHF with 11 phases and the absolute beast asrock z170 extreme4 http://www.ldlc.ch/fiche/PB00192708.html with 12 power phases at slightly more 185 CHF.

Zebbakei

I don't know what currency the OP's link was in, or what that equates to in USD, but when I built my current pc I thought about going with skylake, however for about the same price(1000$) I was able to build a 5820k 6core/12thread pc and overclock it to 4.3 ghz. Slightly less IPC than skylake, but 2 more cores and 4 threads more than makes up for it.

I did go middle of the road on gpu tho, r9 380 4gb. Maxes out most games with a smooth, playable framerate.

Alumicard

Quizzical said:

Some people above are assuming that the original poster doesn't want to overclock.  I'd look at his build and assume that maybe he does.

I'd doubt the overclocking because of the "I don't know much about PC's". Someone who doesn't know much about PCs shouldn't oc imho. And if someone overclocks then they probably want the highest speed possible which a 6600k can't deliver so they would go for a 6700k. Besides the normal version isn't what I'd call slow so it will work just fine.


2 things to consider about the build.
Personally I'd (well... did) go for a bit faster RAM not because "reasons" but just because I could and it might help in the future.
And 2nd about the graphics card. If you can maybe wait till the end of the year to get a new one. Both Nvidia and AMD said they will release a new generation this year. Unlike before this won't just be an update but a whole new chip. Reducing the size from 28 to 14-16nm seems kind of a big deal. So if you have an older 750ti or 7770 you might not be able to play on max but it is still good enough while you wait for the next gen. Or get a 970 now and put aside SFr 50 each month for an upgrade at the end of the year.


@Zebbakei, Swiss Franks(CHF) are about 1:1 to USD but overall prices are higher (~50% higher than the US on the Big Mac Index)

Ridelynn

For most Z-series motherboards, overclocking is just pushing the "Boost" button on whatever software suite the motherboard comes with. It won't be as optimal as a hand-tuned overclock, but it's really that easy.

I wouldn't assume that just because someone doesn't want to OC, or know how to OC, today that they won't be so inclined to do so at any point in the life of the PC. Especially given how easy it is to do a basic overclock these days.

H0urg1ass

SEANMCAD said:

I find it ironic how people will run out and buy a GTX 970 to run Quantum Break but when Oculus mentions basically the same specs people say Oculus will fail because less than 1% of PCs have this card and nobody is going to spend that kind of money....

You really don't have to bring up VR in every single post dude.  At this point, in my mind, you're either an unreasonable zealot or a paid shill for Oculus.  No one was even talking about VR in this thread.  Dude just wants to build a computer!

Back to the OP:  I would say not to heed the people telling you to drop the K model CPU.  You may not see "massive gains" in gaming, but the moment you need to encode a video with handbrake, or any other CPU intensive task, that OC will help immensely.

Also, drop that Power Supply like a dead rat.  It's garbage.  Go buy a Seasonic or a re-branded Seasonic.  You can check all the power supplies at this site and see who the actual original equipment manufacturer is.  The vast majority of PSU "makers" just buy half a dozen different brands, slap their name on them and re-sell them.  Know which one you're buying.

Hrimnir

Gdemami said:

karmath said:

Yeah its pretty good, however I would personally hold off on buying a graphics card as the new nvidia cards are coming out in april.

The cards will be "announced" only, still a rumor, and no ETA when they actually hit the shelves in stores, that could be easily +6 months away.

Also, they're only announcing the mobile variations, so the desktop are probably still 1-2 months out from april.

Quizzical

There's always something coming in the future, but I don't see anything important coming so imminently as to be worth waiting for.  Large dies on a new process node are hard, so it's far from guaranteed that the first video cards on 14/16 nm will be the high end, or even faster than what's available now.  Waiting on memory vendors to have ample supplies of HBM2 and/or GDDR5X could delay the new higher end cards, too.  Anything on a new process node is expensive, so the early cards might well also be priced as if to say, "Please don't buy me."

And there's also a question of how soon.  AMD showed off two Polaris cards just past the start of this year, and said they're coming around the middle of the year.  At the same time, Nvidia showed off an old card that they claimed was a new card and mostly wanted to talk about cars, or at least anything other than desktop gaming.  That's not the sort of thing that you send your CEO out to do if you're months ahead of the competition.

13lake

H0urg1ass said:

Also, drop that Power Supply like a dead rat.  It's garbage.  Go buy a Seasonic or a re-branded Seasonic.  You can check all the power supplies at this site and see who the actual original equipment manufacturer is.  The vast majority of PSU "makers" just buy half a dozen different brands, slap their name on them and re-sell them.  Know which one you're buying.

The be quiet one is good enough, however any seasonic is a stupid buy on that website compared to how cheaper that enermax is.

Also the website you linked is poor in the ammount of psu oems it lists, here this one is miles better :
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/PSUReviewDatabase.html  

it doesn't have internal reviews, but lists hundreds of supplies more, not like u can't find a review just as easily by googling, or checking johhnyguru quick.

did you forget about equally good enermax, and better super flower , or ?