Microsoft Continues Open Source Love Fest, Announces SQL Server on Linux

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SEANMCAD

about 4 years ago a boss of mine started talking casually about his background which was Linux (I am a Microsoft focused developer) what he told me about the current state of Linux in IT made by jaw drop, its MUCH larger presence then common folks are aware of.

Cleffy

It's really easy to become a Microsoft developer. Once you are in school for a comp science related degree, Microsoft starts throwing free stuff at you and give well documented libraries. It spoils you as a developer when you switch to something else.
What Microsift is continuing to do well is diversifying. Each segment of the company may do things that are detrimental to other segments if it's beneficial to them. That way they are not locked into something and can drop it. Like Zune. If the future is cloud based services with subscription fees, they will do the shift.

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Cleffy said:

It's really easy to become a Microsoft developer. Once you are in school for a comp science related degree, Microsoft starts throwing free stuff at you and give well documented libraries. It spoils you as a developer when you switch to something else.
What Microsift is continuing to do well is diversifying. Each segment of the company may do things that are detrimental to other segments if it's beneficial to them. That way they are not locked into something and can drop it. Like Zune. If the future is cloud based services with subscription fees, they will do the shift.

I am unclear what you are saying or who you are saying it to.

part of it seems to be directed to me but the other part might be part of the OP? not sure.

regardless on one point, 'once you get a comp science related degree' and 'easy' are two things that are not working well together there in what you said.

laserit

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Cleffy said:

It's really easy to become a Microsoft developer. Once you are in school for a comp science related degree, Microsoft starts throwing free stuff at you and give well documented libraries. It spoils you as a developer when you switch to something else.
What Microsift is continuing to do well is diversifying. Each segment of the company may do things that are detrimental to other segments if it's beneficial to them. That way they are not locked into something and can drop it. Like Zune. If the future is cloud based services with subscription fees, they will do the shift.

I am unclear what you are saying or who you are saying it to.

part of it seems to be directed to me but the other part might be part of the OP? not sure.

regardless on one point, 'once you get a comp science related degree' and 'easy' are two things that are not working well together there in what you said.

I believe Cleffy is just describing Microsoft's business strategy. As in they give you free stuff when you're a student to help make you all that more comfortable with their products when you're working in your field. 

Cleffy can correct me if I'm wrong.

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laserit said:

I believe Cleffy is just describing Microsoft's business strategy. As in they give you free stuff when you're a student to help make you all that more comfortable with their products when you're working in your field. 

Cleffy can correct me if I'm wrong.

so that is part 1 (me understanding what he is saying)
 part 2 is trying to find the tie in of that comment to the current discussion

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guys! 

the how easy it is to be a microsoft developer or not has nothing to do with this thread.

The only reason I even mentioned 'because i develop on the microsoft stack' was to avoid confusion as to why I work for a guy in IT who has a background in Linux and yet I dont know about these things as well as explaining (I wished) in just a few words why I report to an IT professionally in the first place.

now about the topic?

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SEANMCAD

I worked for a Client that had a large Linux presence on the back end. All of the systems that where on those Linux servers where using MySQL. Now I am not 100% sure if the reason was compatibility but it would seem to me one database engine for the entire enterprise would be preferable.

Kilrain

Badass move IMO. I've always used Linux servers and mostly Windows for development, because of this I've always toyed with the idea of using SQL Server. Now I can without changing servers!

 Not only is MS moving more things across platforms, they're also getting into open source in a big way. A very exciting time for me.

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guys! 

the how easy it is to be a microsoft developer or not has nothing to do with this thread.

The only reason I even mentioned 'because i develop on the microsoft stack' was to avoid confusion as to why I work for a guy in IT who has a background in Linux and yet I dont know about these things as well as explaining (I wished) in just a few words why I report to an IT professionally in the first place.

now about the topic?

You're like a 5 year old tugging on the shirts of adults vying to be heard.

The intention was not necessarily that it was easy to become a Microsoft developer, but more so that because they give students free software to use, it's easy to become comfortable with it and not want to switch. 

They've been on topic the whole time, you're just misinterpreting as usual.

mgilbrtsn

Microsoft has been pretty successful in shifting and shoring up its business.  All the news for the past few years is how it's struggling, and then suddenly it seems they've been pull out of free fall with Azure, Windows 10, now this.

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Kilrain said:

You're like a 5 year old tugging on the shirts of adults vying to be heard.

The intention was not necessarily that it was easy to become a Microsoft developer, but more so that because they give students free software to use, it's easy to become comfortable with it and not want to switch. 

They've been on topic the whole time, you're just misinterpreting as usual.

I am still not clear but I think what you guys are saying is that the switch from Linux/MySQL will be easy because Microsoft provides materials?

 I am trying to link
 'easy to become Microsoft developer'
with
 'Microsoft SQL Server is now on Linux'

 can you walk me thru that part?

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mgilbrtsn said:

Microsoft has been pretty successful in shifting and shoring up its business.  All the news for the past few years is how it's struggling, and then suddenly it seems they've been pull out of free fall with Azure, Windows 10, now this.

Azure vs Amazon Services hasnt been looking good for Microsoft either for that matter.

SEANMCAD

by the way....this news just came out as well

Microsoft has released a Debian Linux switch OS. Repeat, a Debian Linux switch operating system

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/09/microsoft_sonic_debian/

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blueturtle13 said:

SEANMCAD said:

by the way....this news just came out as well

Microsoft has released a Debian Linux switch OS. Repeat, a Debian Linux switch operating system

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/09/microsoft_sonic_debian/

Yeah SONIC builds on to ACS

ha! when I types in 'Sonic ACS' in google to get educated I got 'ACS - Acoustic Cleaning Systems'

anyway, I know very little about networks and the drive that got me into code development was immediately squashed and over the years I slowly became not a great code developer either, but 10 years and counting still at it with early retirement soon

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Ridelynn

I'm all for it. It makes sense. We do have some isolated MSSQL servers out at some of our facilities (on WinPro, acting as single-client on site data collection and storage), most of our databases right now are in MySQL/MariaDB.  I don't know if this would get me to migrate to MSSQL or not, but before it just wasn't even an option because we aren't a Windows Server shop. But now it's an option, and options are nice to have.

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Ridelynn

Also, this doesn't really mean MS is "embracing" Open Source. It's not like they are making MSSQL open source. It's just they are porting it to an otherwise open source operating system, which isn't really the same thing.

Although it is miles ahead of their previous stance of "total annihilation"

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Ridelynn

I haven't decided if I like Satya or not. I like that he's putting MS products on more than just MS-run systems, but then there's Win10 and it's big shift as well... I haven't made up my mind on that yet.

Anyway, sidetracking. I'll stop.

Ridelynn

Honestly, we're on MySQL because, at the time we developed the database, MySQL was the default installed database in Fedora 7, and it already had all the PHP hooks ready to go. The prototypes just slowly evolved into our final product, and we never migrated off MySQL.

No real reason other than it was what we had at the time, it worked, it was free, and we just stuck with it. There are probably a dozen "better" ways to implement our data management - but if it's ain't broke...

We only use MSSQL on the isolated plants because they are running an industrial SCADA that will only interface with MSSQL. Well, supposedly it'll talk to anything with a valid ODBC connection, but the only thing we could get to work was MSSQL.

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