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NightCloak
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I have a new build for a gaming PC with a price cap of $800. Basically need everything but the mouse.
I am thinking Intel i5 and AMD R9 380 and possibly going ATX micro for mobo to save cost (wont be upgraded for a very long time if at all).
Problem is, having trouble jamming a monitor and everything else to stay under budget. Any suggestions on where I can cut corners without dropping much performance or what would be a good build?
I am thinking Intel i5 and AMD R9 380 and possibly going ATX micro for mobo to save cost (wont be upgraded for a very long time if at all).
Problem is, having trouble jamming a monitor and everything else to stay under budget. Any suggestions on where I can cut corners without dropping much performance or what would be a good build?
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That comes to $698, including shipping and before a $20 rebate on the video card. That's further under budget than I anticipated, which leaves you space to upgrade something. You could get a bigger monitor, a larger SSD, add a hard drive, or whatever.
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$755, no shipping, no rebates.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125792
youll be quite set
thats +125$ to the build
For windows you can check locally for some promotions or if there are still some cheapo leftovers of W7/W8, you still get free upgrade to W10.
Even so, a quad core with turbo to 4 GHz isn't terrible, and a decent CPU plus a decent motherboard for $100 total saves you a lot of money for other things.
For the original poster, Gdemami likes to link stupid things and see if he can get people to buy them. This is his patented "Core i3 with a memory channel vacant" build.
To make a cleaner price comparison, his build is $782 if you include shipping as I did in mine. For that price, you get no keyboard, no surge protector, no speakers, no optical drive, and no SSD, all of which were included in my build.
You also get a TN monitor with poor image quality rather than the IPS monitor I linked. You get a two CPU cores rather than four, though they are faster cores. And you get considerably less memory bandwidth, in spite of getting DDR4 rather than DDR3, because he's leaving a memory channel unused, which cuts your bandwidth in half. And you pay $84 more for that.
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http://www.techspot.com/review/1087-best-value-desktop-cpu/page4.html
He has no clue what he is talking about, he only makes paper stat assumptions as always...
AMD CPUs are very poor performers in games.
At the very least get a 970. I had a 390, which i took back because its a heat box, and is utter garbage, Amd failed hard core this time around. The 970 gets better fps, and run at half the temp, and uses half the power.
If you are going for a 380, you mise well just wait till the new GPUS come out, because buying that is not a good idea, since its no better than a 4 year old computer.
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Which comes to like 790, you lack a power supply, but thats like 50 bucks so save up. As for if a monitor use your tv. Or switch the 980 to a 970 and buy a monitor. As for a keyboard they are 10 bucks.
That computer with the 980 would get almost triple the fps over the one you built. Switch to a 970 you would get over double in some games.
As for a operating system, if you are giving dirty Microsoft money your doing it all wrong. And i dont mean linux. And i warn you, windows 10 is a pain. You better pay close attention to what your doing with it, or your gonna find out that windows is using your internet to torrent windows updates to the world, and sending all your information to them, and to top it off if you set up windows defender, it will max your hard drive up searching through your files any time your idle.
As far as wasting money on a ssd, I wouldn't recommend it with a budget. It serves almost no purpose, other then costing more, braking faster, and having little space. Yep youll load up faster, but i mean if you have a budget is the 8 seconds you save worth it.
If you are hell bent on a i5 for other reasons, there are reason for them. Such as if your favorite game is Civs, then you want to get a i7. Go on ebay and buy a 100 dollar 7970 or 7950, which is the same thing as a 380, infact the 7970 will end up being faster than a 380. If you go with a 290 or 390 better get your self a 150 dollar water block, and a 200 dollar water cooler, those things throw off so much heat, you better have a air conditioner sitting next to it.
Also plan on a increased electric bill if you game alot, the 390 will use something like 350 watts per hour. Add in the 1500 watts the air conditioner uses to cool it down haha, its just not worth it.
So to sum up, go with the cheap amd, and a 970 and you can get a cheap 21 inch 1080 monitor.
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Where the Core i3 wins is in games that need a lot of CPU power but aren't threaded to scale well to several CPU cores. In other words, in badly coded games. Obviously, you'd prefer that games where the programmers can't optimize code very well run well, too. But that's what you'd gain by spending an extra $100 to go Intel.
Expand the budget by $400, and of course you get a Core i5-6600 and don't have to worry about such compromises. But on a budget of $800 including peripherals, that $100 difference is a lot.
860k was slow at release 2 years ago, putting it into a gaming machine today would be just silly.
I like where Quizzical is headed since it includes everything within the budget. That is, nothing is left. As for the operating system, sorry, Microsoft is a must and so is keeping it legal. It is a budget build and the idea is to get as good as you can within the budget. If I wanted a max-fps machine, I'd go grab a few rum and cokes and drop 2k.
I, personally, know where the pieces fall and pricing/performance for the higher end equipment, but sub-1000 for a full build I need the help to make sure I don't shoot myself into a bottleneck.
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FX-6300/8300/i3 is the absolute minimum you do not want to go below.
760k/860k is just too slow:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1911-gta-v-cpu-benchmark-4790k-3570k-9590-more
However, you may want to consider expanding the budget a little to fit that Core i5. In 2011, both Intel and AMD released new CPU architectures substantially different from what came before. Intel won that round soundly, as Sandy Bridge was really good and Bulldozer was terrible. AMD will roughly catch up to Intel with Zen later this year. But since 2011, CPU improvements other than reducing power consumption have been really slow. Nothing on the horizon makes it look like a huge jump in CPU performance is coming, outside of having more CPU cores.
Thus, if you get a Core i5-6600 today, it will still be a decently nice CPU four years from now. If you get a Core i3 or an AMD CPU, it won't be so nice four years from now--and what you upgrade to them won't be much better than the Core i5 you could have bought today. So buying that Core i5 could extend the useful life of the machine considerably.
Another consideration to remember is that, to upgrade the CPU in the future, you'll need to replace the motherboard, too, and that also means a new OS license. It's not like a video card or monitor where you can upgrade just one component and be done.
Getting Sky Lake also means going with DDR4 instead of DDR3. So you can replace the CPU/motherboard combo and memory in my build above with:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2750055
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232241
That would put you about $120 over your stated budget. It's not something recommend running large credit card balances to buy, or other sorts of debt. But if you've got the money available, it will be quite a bit better than what fits your stated budget, and may extend the useful life of the machine by years.
That said, my build above would be quite an upgrade over the Asus G73 laptop you've got. Not only is the CPU substantially faster, but you'd also be getting about four times the GPU performance. Having an SSD also helps a ton. And, of course, the desktop form factor is massively nicer than a laptop for basically everything except portability.
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I agree with this post. Consider this is something you'll likely have for 2-3+ years, an extra $120 if its not gonna break the bank to help future proof you is absolutely worth it.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
It's always easier and often cheaper to increase one part of the PC but to do so you need a solid foundation which in this case is the cpu (+mobo,ram). If you will never upgrade the PC then never mind but if you want to play stuff in 2-3+ years then take the easy route: wait a month or three, buy a good CPU now and in the future only upgrade the GPU if necessary.
THATS solid foundation.
But if were honest, what Quiz put together, along with R9 390 will be just fine, 95%+ of games out there are GPU bound and DX12 moves that boundary even further. So yeah, buying expencive CPUs is just throwing money away.