I was using BMW to use it as a 'its waaaaty to expensive' argument comparison. Never the less we shall see, I dont think those innovative products that start off as luxury items really had Star Wars (as just one example) using its technology.
Having said that as far as use goes at least in the gaming industry nothing in gaming at all is useful so not sure I follow you there
and my point is about $10,000 of the price of a BMW has nothing to do with anything at all other than label
Well the KINECT had Star Wars apps too.... Did diddlely squat for it =P
As i have said before.
VR need one or two more generations of hardware development and price reductions to become mainstream. That will take 2-3 years minimum. Maybe more.
For now VR is aimed at the top end market... the same people who bought a smart watch.
It is the very opposite of mainstream and the price is only a small fraction of that.
I would say that without question despite Kinects failure it was during its lifetime it was absolutely 'mainstream'
now regarding your point on time needed by default you are correct. I get a hunch though that this adoption will be faster then expected. more like how smart phones were
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
To answer your question (which is just a way to keep yet another VR topic floating about); Until you see kids riding around on their segways with a VR set around their neck or on their head turned to the side it's not mainstream.
See you next VR post.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
I was using BMW to use it as a 'its waaaaty to expensive' argument comparison. Never the less we shall see, I dont think those innovative products that start off as luxury items really had Star Wars (as just one example) using its technology.
Having said that as far as use goes at least in the gaming industry nothing in gaming at all is useful so not sure I follow you there
and my point is about $10,000 of the price of a BMW has nothing to do with anything at all other than label
Well the KINECT had Star Wars apps too.... Did diddlely squat for it =P
As i have said before.
VR need one or two more generations of hardware development and price reductions to become mainstream. That will take 2-3 years minimum. Maybe more.
For now VR is aimed at the top end market... the same people who bought a smart watch.
It is the very opposite of mainstream and the price is only a small fraction of that.
I would say that without question despite Kinects failure it was during its lifetime it was absolutely 'mainstream'
now regarding your point on time needed by default you are correct. I get a hunch though that this adoption will be faster then expected. more like how smart phones were
Please define what "mainstream" is to you.
Because i am not sure we look at that word the same way.
At the current PC prices VR is never gonig to go mainstream.
On PS4 it might, on PC it won't, the response to the prices of Oculus and Vive has been overwhelmingly negative.
yet pre-orders sell out.
price being less than a good monitor and requiring specs similar to The Division aside for a moment
Isnt pretty much anything that is associated with Star Wars by default 'mainstream'?
No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.
oh for the love of god we have a focus problem here.
'mainstream' and 'killer app' are not the same thing. is everything that is associated with Star Wars MAINSTREAM was my question
Killer app is an application that catapults a product INTO the mainstream.
Kentic was mainstream
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
yeah some people buy nice cars others buy nice tech. I am the latter. I dont have a BMW
I have 5 series BMW Only a 2-liter engine though. I think it's the perfect balance between luxury, power and fuel efficiency.
Not going to buy nauseating overpriced goggles that are going to drop faster in price than my overpriced BMW.
which I will very likely go to my grave never understanding and will always (and have always) been completely and totally bewildered about but it is very common place.
People will easily spend 10,20,30k more on a car then they need to but then go nuts when a phone cost $100 more then what they imagine it should cost....very bizzare
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
At the current PC prices VR is never gonig to go mainstream.
On PS4 it might, on PC it won't, the response to the prices of Oculus and Vive has been overwhelmingly negative.
yet pre-orders sell out.
price being less than a good monitor and requiring specs similar to The Division aside for a moment
Isnt pretty much anything that is associated with Star Wars by default 'mainstream'?
No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.
oh for the love of god we have a focus problem here.
'mainstream' and 'killer app' are not the same thing. is everything that is associated with Star Wars MAINSTREAM was my question
Killer app is an application that catapults a product INTO the mainstream.
Kentic was mainstream
yupp, clearly you are lacking focus. I didnt confuse killer app with mainstream. I clearly said "OR" in between both words.
Star Wars is mainstream, that is very clear. Star Wars Kinect? no. Star Wars is consumed by pretty much everyone. Star Wars Kinect? not even close to even think of ever be mainstream. The SW name alone doesnt make it mainstream if that particular product was a major flop and never got to join the famous mainstream you talk about.
People will easily spend 10,20,30k more on a car then they need to but then go nuts when a phone cost $100 more then what they imagine it should cost....very bizzare
It is called the perception of value and it is a personal preference. Some people see value in stamps and some people see value in Masters of the universe figures. Many people see value in a fancy car, because that is how the society taught us. That is why people are happy to overspend on a car, because it represents a intangible but present increase in social status. VR does not have the added value outside of a small group of visionaries and early adopters. That is why people do not like to overspend on it.
Most people fear their electronics.... The idea of switching a stick of RAM sends the average person towards the WC wishing they had their brown pants on. Heck most of them are to afraid to even go in to the settings menu of their bloody smartphone.
These people see no value what so ever in a VR headset until they have been exposed to it.. and after that it represent a new layer of fear and loss of bodily control. A BMW does not cause the same reaction because we have been told it is safe, pretty and increase your social status and in turn might even give some hard wood.
At the current PC prices VR is never gonig to go mainstream.
On PS4 it might, on PC it won't, the response to the prices of Oculus and Vive has been overwhelmingly negative.
yet pre-orders sell out.
price being less than a good monitor and requiring specs similar to The Division aside for a moment
Isnt pretty much anything that is associated with Star Wars by default 'mainstream'?
No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.
oh for the love of god we have a focus problem here.
'mainstream' and 'killer app' are not the same thing. is everything that is associated with Star Wars MAINSTREAM was my question
Killer app is an application that catapults a product INTO the mainstream.
Kentic was mainstream
yupp, clearly you are lacking focus. I didnt confuse killer app with mainstream. I clearly said "OR" in between both words.
Star Wars is mainstream, that is very clear. Star Wars Kinect? no. Star Wars is consumed by pretty much everyone. Star Wars Kinect? not even close to even think of ever be mainstream. The SW name alone doesnt make it mainstream if that particular product was a major flop and never got to join the famous mainstream you talk about.
no you got it wrong.
your statement: 'No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.'
THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING!q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am saying: 1. 'anything associated with Star Wars is mainstream. ' 2. kentic is mainstream 3. kentic was not made mainstream BECAUSE of Star wars
jesus h!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
At the current PC prices VR is never gonig to go mainstream.
On PS4 it might, on PC it won't, the response to the prices of Oculus and Vive has been overwhelmingly negative.
yet pre-orders sell out.
price being less than a good monitor and requiring specs similar to The Division aside for a moment
Isnt pretty much anything that is associated with Star Wars by default 'mainstream'?
No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.
oh for the love of god we have a focus problem here.
'mainstream' and 'killer app' are not the same thing. is everything that is associated with Star Wars MAINSTREAM was my question
Killer app is an application that catapults a product INTO the mainstream.
Kentic was mainstream
yupp, clearly you are lacking focus. I didnt confuse killer app with mainstream. I clearly said "OR" in between both words.
Star Wars is mainstream, that is very clear. Star Wars Kinect? no. Star Wars is consumed by pretty much everyone. Star Wars Kinect? not even close to even think of ever be mainstream. The SW name alone doesnt make it mainstream if that particular product was a major flop and never got to join the famous mainstream you talk about.
no you got it wrong.
your statement: 'No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.'
THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING!q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am saying: 1. 'anything associated with Star Wars is mainstream. ' 2. kentic is mainstream 3. kentic was not made mainstream BECAUSE of Star wars
jesus h!
I specifically answered to your question, the question i highlighted in bold fonts, and you made a fuss about it. But ok.
I specifically answered to your question, the question i highlighted in bold fonts, and you made a fuss about it. But ok.
and what exactly does you answering my questions have to do with your statement of: 'No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.'
this side arguement we are having is in relation to that statement above in which I am trying to tell you Kentic was not made mainstream BECAUSE of Star Wars.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Obviously it isn't. I would give this about 2 years before it's even remotely considered "mainstream" but at that point it will either be adopted, abandoned or they'll still be trying to push it.
The difference is that a BMW looks good, is a status symbol and will attract the ladies. That's why an overly expensive car sells well. It's a status symbol. It says, "My ride is cooler than yours" and people eat that shit up. Ego's are the best marketing tool in advertising.
Strapping a giant piece of plastic to your face and gesticulating wildly at things that aren't actually there isn't remotely close to attractive. In fact, it's funny "ha ha" in the same sort of way as when you see someone at a distance walk into a large spider web and flail around in a panic.
VR is, at best, sub-stream. Facebook, twitter, selfies, smartphones and game consoles are mainstream. When I see people at restaurants sitting around with goggles strapped to their faces and plugged into their phones, then it will be mainstream.
The difference is that a BMW looks good, is a status symbol and will attract the ladies. That's why an overly expensive car sells well. It's a status symbol. It says, "My ride is cooler than yours" and people eat that shit up. Ego's are the best marketing tool in advertising.
Strapping a giant piece of plastic to your face and gesticulating wildly at things that aren't actually there isn't remotely close to attractive. In fact, it's funny "ha ha" in the same sort of way as when you see someone at a distance walk into a large spider web and flail around in a panic.
VR is, at best, sub-stream. Facebook, twitter, selfies, smartphones and game consoles are mainstream. When I see people at restaurants sitting around with goggles strapped to their faces and plugged into their phones, then it will be mainstream.
I agree that this is how many people see cars vs games (not just VR but GAMES) but i also very personally think its a mental deficiency to think that way but that is just crazy old me.
To me if Facebook, Google, Valve, Disney, Star Wars, just to name a few companies are spending a ton of money on this technology and when all the news from the past two GDCs are by a large majority related to VR its safe to say its mainstream
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
At the current PC prices VR is never gonig to go mainstream.
On PS4 it might, on PC it won't, the response to the prices of Oculus and Vive has been overwhelmingly negative.
yet pre-orders sell out.
price being less than a good monitor and requiring specs similar to The Division aside for a moment
Isnt pretty much anything that is associated with Star Wars by default 'mainstream'?
No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.
oh for the love of god we have a focus problem here.
'mainstream' and 'killer app' are not the same thing. is everything that is associated with Star Wars MAINSTREAM was my question
Killer app is an application that catapults a product INTO the mainstream.
Kentic was mainstream
yupp, clearly you are lacking focus. I didnt confuse killer app with mainstream. I clearly said "OR" in between both words.
Star Wars is mainstream, that is very clear. Star Wars Kinect? no. Star Wars is consumed by pretty much everyone. Star Wars Kinect? not even close to even think of ever be mainstream. The SW name alone doesnt make it mainstream if that particular product was a major flop and never got to join the famous mainstream you talk about.
no you got it wrong.
your statement: 'No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.'
THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING!q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am saying: 1. 'anything associated with Star Wars is mainstream. ' 2. kentic is mainstream 3. kentic was not made mainstream BECAUSE of Star wars
jesus h!
I specifically answered to your question, the question i highlighted in bold fonts, and you made a fuss about it. But ok.
Have to dispute the whole Kinect thing tbh, for while most Star Wars games do end up being mainstream, quite a few of them flopped, and the name alone wasn't enough to save them, this has happened. Kinect wasn't mainstream, the device was a flop, so much so that Microsoft had to remove it from the Xbox package because it was hurting sales. It would be a truism that even the Star Wars name wasn't enough to make Kinect 'main stream', it might even be said that it was because Kinect was such a flop that it was a significant factor in the failure of the Star Wars Kinect game. Developers have 'overlooked' Kinect precisely because it never became 'mainstream'
Have to dispute the whole Kinect thing tbh, for while most Star Wars games do end up being mainstream, quite a few of them flopped, and the name alone wasn't enough to save them, this has happened. Kinect wasn't mainstream, the device was a flop, so much so that Microsoft had to remove it from the Xbox package because it was hurting sales. It would be a truism that even the Star Wars name wasn't enough to make Kinect 'main stream', it might even be said that it was because Kinect was such a flop that it was a significant factor in the failure of the Star Wars Kinect game. Developers have 'overlooked' Kinect precisely because it never became 'mainstream'
we clearly have different definitions of mainstream.
Mainstream to me mean most people know about it. Its not realted to the products balance sheets at all.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Have to dispute the whole Kinect thing tbh, for while most Star Wars games do end up being mainstream, quite a few of them flopped, and the name alone wasn't enough to save them, this has happened. Kinect wasn't mainstream, the device was a flop, so much so that Microsoft had to remove it from the Xbox package because it was hurting sales. It would be a truism that even the Star Wars name wasn't enough to make Kinect 'main stream', it might even be said that it was because Kinect was such a flop that it was a significant factor in the failure of the Star Wars Kinect game. Developers have 'overlooked' Kinect precisely because it never became 'mainstream'
we clearly have different definitions of mainstream.
Mainstream to me mean most people know about it. Its not realted to the products balance sheets at all.
so you were accusing another poster before saying he/she didnt know the meaning of "killer app", yet you miss the meaning of "mainstream" and try to make a fuss about it. Just knowing about something doesnt make it mainstream. Star Wars is, Star Wars Kinect isnt.
Have to dispute the whole Kinect thing tbh, for while most Star Wars games do end up being mainstream, quite a few of them flopped, and the name alone wasn't enough to save them, this has happened. Kinect wasn't mainstream, the device was a flop, so much so that Microsoft had to remove it from the Xbox package because it was hurting sales. It would be a truism that even the Star Wars name wasn't enough to make Kinect 'main stream', it might even be said that it was because Kinect was such a flop that it was a significant factor in the failure of the Star Wars Kinect game. Developers have 'overlooked' Kinect precisely because it never became 'mainstream'
we clearly have different definitions of mainstream.
Mainstream to me mean most people know about it. Its not realted to the products balance sheets at all.
so you were accusing another poster before saying he/she didnt know the meaning of "killer app", yet you miss the meaning of "mainstream" and try to make a fuss about it. Just knowing about something doesnt make it mainstream. Star Wars is, Star Wars Kinect isnt.
I am pretty sure Mainstream is not tied to balance books.
regardless your point is valid and now we have an understanding of both 'killer app' and 'mainstream' at least in the context that I am using those words
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
we clearly have different definitions of mainstream.
Mainstream to me mean most people know about it. Its not realted to the products balance sheets at all.
By this definition space shuttles and polka music are mainstream
well you have a point.
ok I am wrong although its still not associated with balance books but being something everyone is aware of doesnt make it mainstream I correct myself. good point
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
It's definitely not yet, no. Will it be? Too early to tell. I remember when I had my Wii hooked up in my living room all the time. Now? It comes out when I want to play some Super Mario Bros.
It's a perfect example of novel versus practical. VR has to prove that it's something that's practical, which may be difficult to do. Remember that gamers are highly critical, because each one is an expert in games, gameplay, and how games should be developed ( yes that's a joke). However, due to these high standards, I think it will be difficult to become something that you "absolutely have to get".
This is why, as mentioned before, they need to bridge the gap between VR in gaming and in real-world, and the first step to that will be cutting that cord. Otherwise, a tech like AR comes in from a more practical angle, integrate into your life first, and then builds into games (a la smart phones).
If it can't break out of that novel but impractical mold, it'll probably make money, but burn out quickly.
VR can exist and thrive without a single game. at least the is my view. That said, once gamers start using it and some major brand like.......Star Wars...gets behind it then gamers will start to try it
Again, that's something very novel. Again, if we were to consider Wii. Remember when you could fight with swords on Wii? That was awesome!! For about 2 minutes. Remember how Wii used to be used in old folks homes and stuff and casual gamers. Remember when it had exposed a whole new market? Then it just sort of lost that novelty.
That's what I mean. It's great if they can get a Star Wars game in VR. I do agree that it will sell some units. However, it doesn't mean that it's something practical, either, or good for that matter.
There are a couple interesting directions that companies are going. Obviously Oculus is high-end gaming focused, Sony is Playstation focused, Samsung and HTC are focused on mobility. So I think there's already significant fragmentation in a market whose size we're not even certain about. I do hope, though, that we're able to find more practical, everyday, uses for it.
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now regarding your point on time needed by default you are correct. I get a hunch though that this adoption will be faster then expected. more like how smart phones were
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
See you next VR post.
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Please define what "mainstream" is to you.
Because i am not sure we look at that word the same way.
This have been a good conversation
'mainstream' and 'killer app' are not the same thing.
is everything that is associated with Star Wars MAINSTREAM was my question
Killer app is an application that catapults a product INTO the mainstream.
Kentic was mainstream
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Not going to buy nauseating overpriced goggles that are going to drop faster in price than my overpriced BMW.
People will easily spend 10,20,30k more on a car then they need to but then go nuts when a phone cost $100 more then what they imagine it should cost....very bizzare
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
However you should totally try "Moskvich"? is it.
Star Wars is mainstream, that is very clear. Star Wars Kinect? no. Star Wars is consumed by pretty much everyone. Star Wars Kinect? not even close to even think of ever be mainstream. The SW name alone doesnt make it mainstream if that particular product was a major flop and never got to join the famous mainstream you talk about.
Most people fear their electronics.... The idea of switching a stick of RAM sends the average person towards the WC wishing they had their brown pants on. Heck most of them are to afraid to even go in to the settings menu of their bloody smartphone.
These people see no value what so ever in a VR headset until they have been exposed to it.. and after that it represent a new layer of fear and loss of bodily control. A BMW does not cause the same reaction because we have been told it is safe, pretty and increase your social status and in turn might even give some hard wood.
So not very bizzare at all.
This have been a good conversation
your statement: 'No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.'
THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING!q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am saying:
1. 'anything associated with Star Wars is mainstream. '
2. kentic is mainstream
3. kentic was not made mainstream BECAUSE of Star wars
jesus h!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
But ok.
'No. Please dont tell me you think Star Wars Kinect was a killer app or mainstream just because it was SW.'
this side arguement we are having is in relation to that statement above in which I am trying to tell you Kentic was not made mainstream BECAUSE of Star Wars.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Strapping a giant piece of plastic to your face and gesticulating wildly at things that aren't actually there isn't remotely close to attractive. In fact, it's funny "ha ha" in the same sort of way as when you see someone at a distance walk into a large spider web and flail around in a panic.
VR is, at best, sub-stream. Facebook, twitter, selfies, smartphones and game consoles are mainstream. When I see people at restaurants sitting around with goggles strapped to their faces and plugged into their phones, then it will be mainstream.
To me if Facebook, Google, Valve, Disney, Star Wars, just to name a few companies are spending a ton of money on this technology and when all the news from the past two GDCs are by a large majority related to VR its safe to say its mainstream
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Kinect wasn't mainstream, the device was a flop, so much so that Microsoft had to remove it from the Xbox package because it was hurting sales.
It would be a truism that even the Star Wars name wasn't enough to make Kinect 'main stream', it might even be said that it was because Kinect was such a flop that it was a significant factor in the failure of the Star Wars Kinect game.
Developers have 'overlooked' Kinect precisely because it never became 'mainstream'
Mainstream to me mean most people know about it. Its not realted to the products balance sheets at all.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Which means, to me at least, that if he has to keep reminding us that a thing is something, it is not that thing.
I dont think Facebook, google, Disney, Star Wars, Samsung, McDonalds, HTC have much problem understanding this. People on forums are special
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regardless your point is valid and now we have an understanding of both 'killer app' and 'mainstream' at least in the context that I am using those words
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
By this definition space shuttles and polka music are mainstream
ok I am wrong although its still not associated with balance books but being something everyone is aware of doesnt make it mainstream I correct myself. good point
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Again, that's something very novel. Again, if we were to consider Wii. Remember when you could fight with swords on Wii? That was awesome!! For about 2 minutes. Remember how Wii used to be used in old folks homes and stuff and casual gamers. Remember when it had exposed a whole new market? Then it just sort of lost that novelty.
That's what I mean. It's great if they can get a Star Wars game in VR. I do agree that it will sell some units. However, it doesn't mean that it's something practical, either, or good for that matter.
There are a couple interesting directions that companies are going. Obviously Oculus is high-end gaming focused, Sony is Playstation focused, Samsung and HTC are focused on mobility. So I think there's already significant fragmentation in a market whose size we're not even certain about. I do hope, though, that we're able to find more practical, everyday, uses for it.
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