Old school question, who would play an mmo like Pantheon or Saga of lucimia ?

delete5230

First I would like to ask if everyone can PRETEND that both Pantheon or Saga of Lucimia were launched successfully.  With the same quality as many of the better quality games like Guildwars 2.  Taking into account problems that come with any launch, and given a week of getting straightened out.

Second I would like to ask if everyone can put aside any hate for developers or companies for the sake of a simple mmo question.  Try to take into account it's more of an " old school done new " question more so than Pantheon or Saga.  

Would you play " old school done new " ? 

Shaigh

Its more important that I find that the game fits the style of gaming I like and that its done well than fit into nonsensical categories like old school, new school or home school.

Dakeru

Pretend the games released.
Pretend they reached the quality of AAA titles.
Pretend the companies/lead devs behind them have no questionable past.

Pretenders unite!

Scott23

Sure, I would give it a shot to see how rosy my glasses are - especially since we are assuming in this case that they launched successfully

Amathe

I will absolutely play Pantheon. 

danwest58

I think both have their Merits, but personally I think both with have problems with developers from India having a major lack of skill to perform.  I also think that they will be too focused on the old school market that is just too small to sustain an MMO today.  Not saying they shouldn't pull from old school MMOs but they will be too far in that direction.  

Wizardry

GW2 quality NO THANKS,got bored of that shallow game in like 2 days,actually the first day then gave it a second try later.
I need to see a LOT better game design than what we are seeing from other games because imo they are mostly a compete fail grade 4-5/10.

SOL is going to be a 2-3/10 at best,maybe worse because i have no interest to play it at all.

Pantheon  should be typical of what we see which is average,i might play it,depends if they give class/combat any depth and not just another EQ Altaholic game.Too early for Pantheon for me to fully judge it but yes there is a CHANCE.

Wizardry

ReallyNow10 said:

I really want to dive back into an old school world again.  I have no desire to be "chosen hero number 243,567" or forced through chapters of some story I want to escape from.  I really hate that kind of gaming.  Every new MMO I ever quit was for those reasons.

I want to play a wanderer, a character with just a old sword, boots, and a cloak (okay, throw in a loincloth for modesty).  I want to travel and explore, and walk through the streets through some ancient metropolis, and seek out my own adventures.

I am similar except the way games have been designed is they HAND  HOLD you,your discovery is based on where the leveling process guides you and to me that is rubbish game design.

Since MOST devs seem incapable of solid game design,we may need to see gaming LOSE the levels ,that might help them to create a better game.

kjempff

As for Pantheon I would like to see them shake free of the portion of their narrow minded community who demands so many specific things from the past instead of taking a broader perspective and acknowledging that not all that is new is evil - It is about keeping the spirit and basic concepts, and do a modern version of it, it is not about doing the exact same.
Pretending that will happen, it will qualify as "oldschool done new", and I am sure there is a good audience for such a game. However, making a eq-p99-vg remake without modernizing it, will only attract a very small group, namely that group who was not enough to keep vg running.
I have my doubts they are willing to modernize, and don't think their community are helping the future of the game by being so retrogressive on specific details.

Remember: Criticism is not hate or personal attacks on you - I will most likely play Pantheon even if it is not perfect.

Slapshot1188

If you just wanted an old school vs new question then why use specific games in your question? Sorry, asking me to believe in the tooth fairy in order to vote is just silly.

The problem, especially with SoL is that the quality of the game is going to be horrendous.  Part time devs who never created an MMO or published a game are not going to be able to create anything beneficial.  It's an ego trip.

Would I love to play an old school MMO done right?  Hell yeah, but games like SoL are just going to make it harder to get a real one, because folks will assume it failed due to lack of interest in the genre instead of just lack of quality.

Pantheon we will see.  I think it's a long shot but they have a better chance, and their recent stream was promising.  At least Brad has developed and shipped classic games.  if he had this when the Kickstarter launched (and I pledged) it would have easily been funded.

 

Theocritus

DMKano said:

To me Pantheon and Saga of Lucimia are not in the same league. 

I'd play Pantheon in a heartbeat - SoL yeah no thanks. 

Yeah kinda how I feel too...SoL is too much theory and ideas and they haven't done it before.....Pantheon has Brad who made two fun games (even though Vanguard had major issues) so I'd go with the more proven.

Theocritus

ReallyNow10 said:

I really want to dive back into an old school world again.  I have no desire to be "chosen hero number 243,567" or forced through chapters of some story I want to escape from.  I really hate that kind of gaming.  Every new MMO I ever quit was for those reasons.

I want to play a wanderer, a character with just a old sword, boots, and a cloak (okay, throw in a loincloth for modesty).  I want to travel and explore, and walk through the streets through some ancient metropolis, and seek out my own adventures.

Excellent post...You're not the only one that wants to play like this gain.....I miss the thrill of not knowing where I was going, not having my hand held on quests, and danger at every turn.....I miss asking other adventurers to group up because the monsters were too strong to solo and exploring new places looking for bosses and treasure.

caynenable

kjempff said:

As for Pantheon I would like to see them shake free of the portion of their narrow minded community who demands so many specific things from the past instead of taking a broader perspective and acknowledging that not all that is new is evil - It is about keeping the spirit and basic concepts, and do a modern version of it, it is not about doing the exact same.
Pretending that will happen, it will qualify as "oldschool done new", and I am sure there is a good audience for such a game. However, making a eq-p99-vg remake without modernizing it, will only attract a very small group, namely that group who was not enough to keep vg running.
I have my doubts they are willing to modernize, and don't think their community are helping the future of the game by being so retrogressive on specific details.

Remember: Criticism is not hate or personal attacks on you - I will most likely play Pantheon even if it is not perfect.

Ummm, they are taking the old and mixing in some newer stuff that they liked, and adding some new stuff not really being done atm... kinda like EQ and Vanguard had a baby, and then sent it to boarding school to learn stuff outside what the parents know...

iixviiiix

I doubt they will able to put anything out . If they can , they ready did long ago.

nariusseldon

No. I do not like old school mmorpg at all.

I would much rather play new games like The Division. 

Renfail

ReallyNow10 said:

I really want to dive back into an old school world again.  I have no desire to be "chosen hero number 243,567" or forced through chapters of some story I want to escape from.  I really hate that kind of gaming.  Every new MMO I ever quit was for those reasons.

I want to play a wanderer, a character with just a old sword, boots, and a cloak (okay, throw in a loincloth for modesty).  I want to travel and explore, and walk through the streets through some ancient metropolis, and seek out my own adventures.

Sounds like you're exactly who we are, @ReallyNow10 ;

https://sagaoflucimia.com/storytelling-you-are-not-a-special-flower/

Renfail

danwest58 said:

I think both have their Merits, but personally I think both with have problems with developers from India having a major lack of skill to perform.  I also think that they will be too focused on the old school market that is just too small to sustain an MMO today.  Not saying they shouldn't pull from old school MMOs but they will be too far in that direction.  

I'd say we're safe since we're all North American based...one Canadian and the rest of us are from the U.S.  

Renfail

Theocritus said:

DMKano said:

To me Pantheon and Saga of Lucimia are not in the same league. 

I'd play Pantheon in a heartbeat - SoL yeah no thanks. 

Yeah kinda how I feel too...SoL is too much theory and ideas and they haven't done it before.....Pantheon has Brad who made two fun games (even though Vanguard had major issues) so I'd go with the more proven.

Yep, and we applaud a healthy dose of skepticism. Until we've shipped the product, everyone SHOULD be skeptical because we are not a tried and true team with a launched product under our belts. 

Even so, we're making great progress, and our team + Early Access folks are having a blast, and that's what keeps us motivated and moving forward one step at a time!

Meanwhile https://sagaoflucimia.com/five-reasons-not-to-pre-order-the-saga-of-lucimia/

Mikeha

Not interested in either game. 

Chronicles Of Elyria is the game I am looking foward to. 

Renfail

drivendawn said:

Looking forward to old school myself. It may not be AAA quality graphics but I don't think any one is pretending anything. I think that some of these indie companies have more than proven they are serious about their games and some people here will be eating crow when they have a good working product running that people enjoy. 

Hell yeah, @drivendawn ;

It's amazing, for our small team, to be able to be where we are today, with so many people involved, so many people interested, all the press opportunities coming in, every day new articles springing up around us, new interviews coming down the pipeline. 

Two years ago it was just ideas and theories. Then last year was the pre-alpha, and now we're into the alpha, and things are moving forward exactly as we wanted, and everyone is having a blast! 

We're super stoked, and every day that we get to log in with our community and play the game = epic. Still have a couple of years to go until we launch, but we're making headway DESPITE all the naysayers who say we can't make it, that we're not cut out for it, and that we'll fail and are doomed because we've never done a game before. 

It might be early alpha for us, but us and our community are happy, and that's all that matters  

Distopia

I'd certainly play them if done well, although I'm not really hung up on Old-school vs New-school. I can enjoy both equally. I'm more interested in games than being included in some arbitrary grouping.

Renfail

Distopia said:

I'd certainly play them if done well, although I'm not really hung up on Old-school vs New-school. I can enjoy both equally.

Hell yeah Our entire dev team are Pantheon backers, and most of us are in for some amount or another with Project Gorgon, along with Crowfall and Camelot Unchained. 

I'm playing FFXIV and ESO both right now, personally. There's no reason why one has to play ONLY one. There's room for plenty of games if this is your primary passion and hobby!

delete5230

wow, didn't know that saga video existed, I guess I'm a little behind.  Anyway nice one

Renfail

delete5230 said:

wow, didn't know that saga video existed, I guess I'm a little behind.  Anyway nice one

The last videos we had were from last September, October, and November. Then we went dark for a few months doing some backend work on the networking side of things, and we started ramping up in mid-March prepping for our April 30th build...which is what we've been testing in our internal builds over the past month. 

We've got one more test run on the 16th, and then we'll be taking this current build to our Early Access alpha backers on the 30th.

So yeah...we've made quite a lot of progress over the past few months. The team has been putting in a lot of hard work, and we're ramping up nicely. Combat's in (rough at the moment), our basic skills are in, day/night cycles are in, music and zoning are in, and a hell of a lot more we aren't showing in the recent videos because we want things to be a surprise for folks logging in on the 30th!

Everything's still in rough, early alpha form, but it's there. We aren't afraid to show people our game, even without the frills. Some developers might hide behind an NDA until they have a fully polished product, but not us....we've been out there since day one showing folks every step of our progress....225+ newsletters, and 225+ YouTube videos and two years later, this is where we are. 

Can't wait to keep improving! We've got a long way to go still. @delete5230 ;

Lokero

Renfail said:

Distopia said:

I'd certainly play them if done well, although I'm not really hung up on Old-school vs New-school. I can enjoy both equally.

Hell yeah Our entire dev team are Pantheon backers, and most of us are in for some amount or another with Project Gorgon, along with Crowfall and Camelot Unchained. 

I'm playing FFXIV and ESO both right now, personally. There's no reason why one has to play ONLY one. There's room for plenty of games if this is your primary passion and hobby!

I don't know, Renfail.  That sure sounds like alot of slacking off in other games instead of your own.  It's sounding an awful lot like you need to be chained to the grindstone.

Renfail

Lokero said:

Renfail said:

Distopia said:

I'd certainly play them if done well, although I'm not really hung up on Old-school vs New-school. I can enjoy both equally.

Hell yeah Our entire dev team are Pantheon backers, and most of us are in for some amount or another with Project Gorgon, along with Crowfall and Camelot Unchained. 

I'm playing FFXIV and ESO both right now, personally. There's no reason why one has to play ONLY one. There's room for plenty of games if this is your primary passion and hobby!

I don't know, Renfail.  That sure sounds like alot of slacking off in other games instead of your own.  It's sounding an awful lot like you need to be chained to the grindstone.

LOL  

I put in about 10 hours a day into Saga right now, between the writing, interviews, world building, video production, screenshot production, and social media. 

Apart from that I manage my travel blog with my wife, and I'm on an ongoing contract with TripAdvisor throughout Mexico, which takes about 4 hours a day of my time, depending on our trips; March 1st - 16th I was in Puerto Vallarta on a photo shoot trip and didn't have any time to put into the game at all, so it just varies depending on my schedule  

I wake up around 5:30 - 6 a.m. and finish up around 8 p.m. daily. From 8 - 11 is my game time on Monday - Thursday nights; Monday + Thursday is FFXIV, and Tuesday + Wednesday is ESO. Fri, Sat, and Sun evenings are for my wife, who isn't a gamer  

Weekends are purely Saga. This weekend, for example, Saturday was our internal test, then I spent the entire afternoon cutting together 3 different videos and blasting social media. Today, I shot and cut three more videos over the course of the day, and I'm just now wrapping up at 6 p.m. my time. 

No days off here It's a non-stop grind for the past two years and we won't stop until we publish. After that, we'll be taking a well-deserved vacation somewhere for a few weeks, for sure.