I have not played this one yet as AA left a bad taste in my mouth for Asian MMO's but I am glad to see this site finally break out of their 6 to 7 review scores. 90% of games should not be rated between 6.2 and 7.8
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Bill I agree with your friend, "...just can’t mentally partake in BDO because the sheer volume of options and what you can or should be doing makes her head spin." so much so on some days it feels like my real life work, i.e. software programmer. On those days I sometimes fallback to my other favorites ESO, SWToR and MH just to do some "simplified things".
One thing that annoys me is that for such a complex MMO why don't in game outfits allow for more visual customization??? I'm talking outside the Cash Shop, everyone's toons look pretty much the same. Seems weird for a modern day MMO.
Bill, i believe you missed a big con, RNG. I spent 3 days killing contaminated wizards near the refugee camp north from Calpheon in order to gain knowledge from them to complete a Black Spirit quest. I still don't have the knowledge. I don't think i will continue to do any "investigate/learn" knowledge quest, but this one is important because is part of the Black Spirit. RNG is really bad in this game. Although i can see how it falls into the grind con, i would have it as its own con.
Bill, i believe you missed a big con, RNG. I spent 3 days killing contaminated wizards near the refugee camp north from Calpheon in order to gain knowledge from them to complete a Black Spirit quest. I still don't have the knowledge. I don't think i will continue to do any "investigate/learn" knowledge quest, but this one is important because is part of the Black Spirit. RNG is really bad in this game. Although i can see how it falls into the grind con, i would have it as its own con.
I'm going to assume you contributed and invested energy in that node and the RNG was still mean to you? A combination of node unlocking, energy contribution and +5 luck does wonders for not just drops but also knowledge unlocks.
But I hear you, it can be frustrating as hell when you just want to move away from an area and the required knowledge doesn't happen.
Others however consider that contaminated camp a premium grind spot and stay there forever... not me though, I liked the Bree ruins north of there much more. Luckily my required knowledge unlocked quickly there.
Troll knowledge, OTOH was a royal PITA for me. I could only handle 2 or 3 of those at a time because of their tankiness and higher than normal AP.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Bill, i believe you missed a big con, RNG. I spent 3 days killing contaminated wizards near the refugee camp north from Calpheon in order to gain knowledge from them to complete a Black Spirit quest. I still don't have the knowledge. I don't think i will continue to do any "investigate/learn" knowledge quest, but this one is important because is part of the Black Spirit. RNG is really bad in this game. Although i can see how it falls into the grind con, i would have it as its own con.
I'm going to assume you contributed and invested energy in that node and the RNG was still mean to you? A combination of node unlocking, energy contribution and +5 luck does wonders for not just drops but also knowledge unlocks.
But I hear you, it can be frustrating as hell when you just want to move away from an area and the required knowledge doesn't happen.
I have not contributed to nodes in the game at all. How much of a difference does it make per node level?
Bill, i believe you missed a big con, RNG. I spent 3 days killing contaminated wizards near the refugee camp north from Calpheon in order to gain knowledge from them to complete a Black Spirit quest. I still don't have the knowledge. I don't think i will continue to do any "investigate/learn" knowledge quest, but this one is important because is part of the Black Spirit. RNG is really bad in this game. Although i can see how it falls into the grind con, i would have it as its own con.
I'm going to assume you contributed and invested energy in that node and the RNG was still mean to you? A combination of node unlocking, energy contribution and +5 luck does wonders for not just drops but also knowledge unlocks.
But I hear you, it can be frustrating as hell when you just want to move away from an area and the required knowledge doesn't happen.
I have not contributed to nodes in the game at all. How much of a difference does it make per node level?
Hard to say. I don't have numbers, but the difference is noticeable. Only really worth it for a spot you'll be at for a while or in your case for "troubleshooting."
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
@DMKano "Very fair review fland I agree with it while you are in honeymoon phase the game is definitely an 8.6/10
However once you reach 52/53 + right now and are doing the end game gearing and PvP, it's nowhere near as good.
Getting beyond +15 is a niche experience and the vast majority of players will quit before they see any of their gear getting to +16 even.
Bottom line - very fun and very engrossing early on, falls off the cliff once you hit end game pretty fast and becomes a very niche game where a higher +number in gear means everything"
please stop that - the repetition is getting old
end game is not the end game you have chosen - simple as that
those that have played happily without a care about leveling to soft cap will continue to do so once that cap is reached
and that is what is so cool about this game and only this game (as far as I know) - you really are given choices
Only magazine i take relevant when it comes to review gave it 7.2.
Question is how much is to pay for the score on mmorpg?
You guys are a disgrace !
"Wow! These guys don't share my opinion! They HAVE to be bribed. That's the ONLY way something like that could ever be possible!"
Well, i have done over 400 reviews in my life and play games from C64 (Commodore 64, if you are young and dont know what C64 means).
And I know how to look in game in general. Yes, there are things that are good, specialy graphics but there is so much Asian grind just nicely packed.
Back in the days there was a game called Ultima Online (maybe Bill knows about that game cause I see how he is liking coments that are trown at me but I understand, cause there is family to support and money to earn) that had that "Job after a job way of playing" and it was mind blowing but it is alreay seen and we have mass games coming with similar aproach.
Score with 90+ is a serious bussines and with the lack of lot of things in game and bugs that are still present game cant go 90.
Never said that game is bad i sad that 90+ is LOL cause game is in range of 70 -78 on a best day.
My point is that score fror Black Desert is boosted and there are only 2 ways why: Author is not objective toward game cause he is so supportiv and ignore facts or money talks in wich case i belive more.
The score doesn't seem to factor in the CON's appropriately. But I guess you people are desperate for a hit after so many failures. I am starting to view MMOs as a massive waste of time and with single player RPGs offering so much content and decent LTC/DLC releases... I just can't be bothered anymore.
The game is ruined by a weak story, weak quests, horrible dialogue and crap voice overs.
Also ruined by gender locked classes, horrible looking gear and a cash shop.
The story is there, and it's good; they just do a terrible job explaining it. I had to go to Youtube and watch it explained.
Bill, i believe you missed a big con, RNG. I spent 3 days killing contaminated wizards near the refugee camp north from Calpheon in order to gain knowledge from them to complete a Black Spirit quest. I still don't have the knowledge. I don't think i will continue to do any "investigate/learn" knowledge quest, but this one is important because is part of the Black Spirit. RNG is really bad in this game. Although i can see how it falls into the grind con, i would have it as its own con.
I'm going to assume you contributed and invested energy in that node and the RNG was still mean to you? A combination of node unlocking, energy contribution and +5 luck does wonders for not just drops but also knowledge unlocks.
But I hear you, it can be frustrating as hell when you just want to move away from an area and the required knowledge doesn't happen.
Others however consider that contaminated camp a premium grind spot and stay there forever... not me though, I liked the Bree ruins north of there much more. Luckily my required knowledge unlocked quickly there.
Troll knowledge, OTOH was a royal PITA for me. I could only handle 2 or 3 of those at a time because of their tankiness and higher than normal AP.
RNG is the bread and butter of Korean MMOs. It's how they keep players playing. It's hot they try to balance the economies, etc. It's probably the #1 or #2 reason to avoid them (Grind being the other one).
"so many of us here clamor for something new and unique to hit the market. It’s here now. Black Desert Online is one of the freshest takes on the MMO in years, and it deserves to be played."
Couldn't agree more. That alone is worth the price of admission for anyone who loves MMORPGs.
We can dissect it and find some of our pet features lacking, but the game as a whole feels very different in a good, true MMORPG kind of way.
Whether you rush to the "end" and get bored quickly, as some always do, or take your time, try all the classes and sample the many activities it offers beside grinding mobs for XP, it's worth every penny of that $30.
You people act like everyone has unlimited time to be a completionist on every class in the game. Lol. Some of us simply like to level up and play one character. if the game doesn't deliver, it isn't always our fault.
I think the new trend of "blame the user " is hilarious.
The blame has shifted from the developers onto users who dislike a game, by fans who are desperate for it to be a hit. This is a bit of a shift that seems to have been bought on by the numerous AAA launch failures in the past decade. Defensiveness is at an all-time high.
Bill, i believe you missed a big con, RNG. I spent 3 days killing contaminated wizards near the refugee camp north from Calpheon in order to gain knowledge from them to complete a Black Spirit quest. I still don't have the knowledge. I don't think i will continue to do any "investigate/learn" knowledge quest, but this one is important because is part of the Black Spirit. RNG is really bad in this game. Although i can see how it falls into the grind con, i would have it as its own con.
I'm going to assume you contributed and invested energy in that node and the RNG was still mean to you? A combination of node unlocking, energy contribution and +5 luck does wonders for not just drops but also knowledge unlocks.
But I hear you, it can be frustrating as hell when you just want to move away from an area and the required knowledge doesn't happen.
Others however consider that contaminated camp a premium grind spot and stay there forever... not me though, I liked the Bree ruins north of there much more. Luckily my required knowledge unlocked quickly there.
Troll knowledge, OTOH was a royal PITA for me. I could only handle 2 or 3 of those at a time because of their tankiness and higher than normal AP.
RNG is the bread and butter of Korean MMOs. It's how they keep players playing. It's hot they try to balance the economies, etc. It's probably the #1 or #2 reason to avoid them (Grind being the other one).
But then I'd be missing a great game. Everything has pluses and minuses, our attitude in weighing the pros and cons is king. This game hits the spot for me despite the warts.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Bill, i believe you missed a big con, RNG. I spent 3 days killing contaminated wizards near the refugee camp north from Calpheon in order to gain knowledge from them to complete a Black Spirit quest. I still don't have the knowledge. I don't think i will continue to do any "investigate/learn" knowledge quest, but this one is important because is part of the Black Spirit. RNG is really bad in this game. Although i can see how it falls into the grind con, i would have it as its own con.
I'm going to assume you contributed and invested energy in that node and the RNG was still mean to you? A combination of node unlocking, energy contribution and +5 luck does wonders for not just drops but also knowledge unlocks.
But I hear you, it can be frustrating as hell when you just want to move away from an area and the required knowledge doesn't happen.
I have not contributed to nodes in the game at all. How much of a difference does it make per node level?
Hard to say. I don't have numbers, but the difference is noticeable. Only really worth it for a spot you'll be at for a while or in your case for "troubleshooting."
I'll have to start investing. Im not big into grinding for levels but i know i'll stay there for at least 1 more level (got 3 levels already in that same spot). Thanks.
EDIT: i also noticed a lot of people in game (also CM Jouska on the forums) saying knowledge is shared between characters. I have that knowledge with another character but not with the one im currently using.
"so many of us here clamor for something new and unique to hit the market. It’s here now. Black Desert Online is one of the freshest takes on the MMO in years, and it deserves to be played."
Couldn't agree more. That alone is worth the price of admission for anyone who loves MMORPGs.
We can dissect it and find some of our pet features lacking, but the game as a whole feels very different in a good, true MMORPG kind of way.
Whether you rush to the "end" and get bored quickly, as some always do, or take your time, try all the classes and sample the many activities it offers beside grinding mobs for XP, it's worth every penny of that $30.
You people act like everyone has unlimited time to be a completionist on every class in the game. Lol. Some of us simply like to level up and play one character. if the game doesn't deliver, it isn't always our fault.
I think the new trend of "blame the user " is hilarious.
The blame has shifted from the developers onto users who dislike a game, by fans who are desperate for it to be a hit. This is a bit of a shift that seems to have been bought on by the numerous AAA launch failures in the past decade. Defensiveness is at an all-time high.
Point missed by a mile. Let me just ask you one simple question. Are you responsible for your own enjoyment or is it someone else?
If I'm bored, it's my fault. It's that simple.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
EDIT: i also noticed a lot of people in game (also CM Jouska on the forums) saying knowledge is shared between characters. I have that knowledge with another character but not with the one im currently using.
Yeah it is. It's weird if you're not getting credit for mob knowledge you already have. Whenever I've gotten to a mob knowledge quest that I've previously unlocked, the quest just auto-completes for me as soon as I get it.
You could try dropping and taking the quest again - it could be a bug.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
EDIT: i also noticed a lot of people in game (also CM Jouska on the forums) saying knowledge is shared between characters. I have that knowledge with another character but not with the one im currently using.
Yeah it is. It's weird if you're not getting credit for mob knowledge you already have. Whenever I've gotten to a mob knowledge quest that I've previously unlocked, the quest just auto-completes for me as soon as I get it.
You could try dropping and taking the quest again - it could be a bug.
It's probably a bug then. When i was playing with my 7 day trial friend i always had autimatically finished quests from knowledge i had with another character, but this one is like the third (or second) one i noticed i have to get manually again. I'll try abandoning and taking it again.
EDIT: it was indeed a bug. Dropped the misison and took it again and it was completed.... gosh 3 days wasted on that.
Only magazine i take relevant when it comes to review gave it 7.2.
Question is how much is to pay for the score on mmorpg?
You guys are a disgrace !
"Wow! These guys don't share my opinion! They HAVE to be bribed. That's the ONLY way something like that could ever be possible!"
Well, i have done over 400 reviews in my life and play games from C64 (Commodore 64, if you are young and dont know what C64 means).
And I know how to look in game in general. Yes, there are things that are good, specialy graphics but there is so much Asian grind just nicely packed.
Back in the days there was a game called Ultima Online (maybe Bill knows about that game cause I see how he is liking coments that are trown at me but I understand, cause there is family to support and money to earn) that had that "Job after a job way of playing" and it was mind blowing but it is alreay seen and we have mass games coming with similar aproach.
Score with 90+ is a serious bussines and with the lack of lot of things in game and bugs that are still present game cant go 90.
Never said that game is bad i sad that 90+ is LOL cause game is in range of 70 -78 on a best day.
My point is that score fror Black Desert is boosted and there are only 2 ways why: Author is not objective toward game cause he is so supportiv and ignore facts or money talks in wich case i belive more.
Seems like nowadays this site is controlling what it's players want to write on forums ... Piff Piff
Cheers Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Agree completely with the review. It's not just a game, but a solid virtual world with tons of activities. I love the fact that it's not a "get to end game" game.
I've said it before and I will say it again. DO NOT rush to level are worry about gear in this game. If you are consumed with that brainwashed mindset then you have no business playing this game. Those who do not heed this advice become bored and right incorrect reviews based on their own stupidity.
I find it odd that you gave the best score to longetivity, which is perhaps the biggest BDO's shortcoming. There isn't nearly enough content to compete with other big MMOs in the West. I mean there is a reason why half BDO's population is already gone. Once you get to level 50 (which is very quick), you're basically done with the game.
This game is grinder's heaven. For all those interested in Lore, Story, Dialogue etc., they should stay as far away from the game as they can. For all those interested in PvE endgame stay away as well, what little BDO offers in the way of World Bosses is very uninspiring and underwhelming.
PvP seems like the only endgame concept BDO offers. But is it any good? Well, not really, but it's at least decent. Considering there are huge balancing problems (which will only get worse in the future), the game still manages to shine sometimes with it's action combat.
I don't think BDO has any future here in the West, they can't retain players with their current mindset. I hope I'm proven wrong, but so far it really doesn't bode well for them. Either way for 30€ the value is pretty good. Think of it more of an MMO for the time-being (distraction, secondary MMO), rather than MMO you'll play for years (primary MMO).
Ehm... You're not done when you get to level 50...
I've been playing since release, and i'm not even level 50. There is so, so, so much to do besides levelling up and grinding mobs.
However, if you willfully choose to ignore all that content, that's your choice. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't there.
BDO is not for the 'PVP'ers' who can do nothing but gank. That's something a lot of people need to understand.
Bloody love this game, nearly at 50 after 200+ hours and gagging for more!
If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!
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One thing that annoys me is that for such a complex MMO why don't in game outfits allow for more visual customization??? I'm talking outside the Cash Shop, everyone's toons look pretty much the same. Seems weird for a modern day MMO.
But I hear you, it can be frustrating as hell when you just want to move away from an area and the required knowledge doesn't happen.
Others however consider that contaminated camp a premium grind spot and stay there forever... not me though, I liked the Bree ruins north of there much more. Luckily my required knowledge unlocked quickly there.
Troll knowledge, OTOH was a royal PITA for me. I could only handle 2 or 3 of those at a time because of their tankiness and higher than normal AP.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
However once you reach 52/53 + right now and are doing the end game gearing and PvP, it's nowhere near as good.
Getting beyond +15 is a niche experience and the vast majority of players will quit before they see any of their gear getting to +16 even.
Bottom line - very fun and very engrossing early on, falls off the cliff once you hit end game pretty fast and becomes a very niche game where a higher +number in gear means everything"
please stop that - the repetition is getting old
end game is not the end game you have chosen - simple as that
those that have played happily without a care about leveling to soft cap will continue to do so once that cap is reached
and that is what is so cool about this game and only this game (as far as I know) - you really are given choices
Well, i have done over 400 reviews in my life and play games from C64 (Commodore 64, if you are young and dont know what C64 means).
And I know how to look in game in general. Yes, there are things that are good, specialy graphics but there is so much Asian grind just nicely packed.
Back in the days there was a game called Ultima Online (maybe Bill knows about that game cause I see how he is liking coments that are trown at me but I understand, cause there is family to support and money to earn) that had that "Job after a job way of playing" and it was mind blowing but it is alreay seen and we have mass games coming with similar aproach.
Score with 90+ is a serious bussines and with the lack of lot of things in game and bugs that are still present game cant go 90.
Never said that game is bad i sad that 90+ is LOL cause game is in range of 70 -78 on a best day.
My point is that score fror Black Desert is boosted and there are only 2 ways why: Author is not objective toward game cause he is so supportiv and ignore facts or money talks in wich case i belive more.
We'll miss you.
The story is there, and it's good; they just do a terrible job explaining it. I had to go to Youtube and watch it explained.
RNG is the bread and butter of Korean MMOs. It's how they keep players playing. It's hot they try to balance the economies, etc. It's probably the #1 or #2 reason to avoid them (Grind being the other one).
You people act like everyone has unlimited time to be a completionist on every class in the game. Lol. Some of us simply like to level up and play one character. if the game doesn't deliver, it isn't always our fault.
I think the new trend of "blame the user " is hilarious.
The blame has shifted from the developers onto users who dislike a game, by fans who are desperate for it to be a hit. This is a bit of a shift that seems to have been bought on by the numerous AAA launch failures in the past decade. Defensiveness is at an all-time high.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
EDIT: i also noticed a lot of people in game (also CM Jouska on the forums) saying knowledge is shared between characters. I have that knowledge with another character but not with the one im currently using.
If I'm bored, it's my fault. It's that simple.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You could try dropping and taking the quest again - it could be a bug.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
EDIT: it was indeed a bug. Dropped the misison and took it again and it was completed.... gosh 3 days wasted on that.
The author is not objective, but you are???
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
In no hurry and doing well at 20.
Ehm... You're not done when you get to level 50...
I've been playing since release, and i'm not even level 50. There is so, so, so much to do besides levelling up and grinding mobs.
However, if you willfully choose to ignore all that content, that's your choice. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't there.
BDO is not for the 'PVP'ers' who can do nothing but gank. That's something a lot of people need to understand.
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