They are valid for exactly one point in time. Prices change, all the time. What is a good deal today may be horrible tomorrow. Item XYZ may be on sale this week, making it great, but not on sale next week, making it not so great.
And people are ~always~ able to find something cheaper somewhere, and love to let everyone know about it.
I think posts like this should have an expiration date. In fact, I think posts like this should go even a step further, and just recommend "generic" items, and give an expected price range. Once you start linking to specific items, especially from specific retailers, you've done doomed your post to a quick and not-so-timely expiration. And it makes me think... who's getting the kickback from pointing people to that retailer?
My Rig
FX 9590
Gigabyte 970-UD3P
R9 390 G1 8 GB
Cooler Master N300 case
Kingston SSD 240gb
Seagate ST1000DX001 SSHD Hybrid
widows 10
16 gb Kingston Hyper fury X 2x8 gb
Corsair CS850 Modular 80 Plus Gold Rated power suply
oh and Corsair Hydro Series H80I GT Cooler
Great rig little louder then i would have liked, but it was really nice investment and upgrade works really great and only gets better with driver updates. long time reader.
The i5 is average at best. Time to get an i7. As for the rest, not a bad rig. It's not the greatest though. It's about equal to what I have now. Its been a tough year. If I can, I'm going to upgrade when possible. It's been a couple years at least, and I had to buy a new video card recently when the old one started getting bsods. I now i have a geforce 970.
Eh...i5 is basically i7 without hyper threading ...
Yes. I7 is useless for mmorpgs. We know, or at least should know, they are made on bad and old engines. And they are mostly single threaded. We need the most power on one core and i5 is a better choice than i7. Disabling hyper threading on an i7 actually gives slightly more performance for a single thread.
The OP's build lacks a good cooler, and going for 6600k means overclocking. 4.5ghz easily. OP's motherboad has 10 power phase so it's good to go for solid oc. Overclocking is important for mmorpgs, we need high single core performance.
For all those championing the I7, it will not help you much playing games. Yep, if you video edit, that is different, but I doubt many of you do that or at least not that extensively to need the I7. The I5 works fine for most people.
Myself I got a Nvidia 960 with 4 gb, not much difference except half the price of the 970. Oh and I agree with the guy pushing the Asus graphics cards, mine is super quiet and cool.
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
Pardon any spelling errors
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
I'm disabled with a very limited budget, but even I can afford a 1000$ computer every few years, or 5+ at the minimum. It's all in budgeting, and saving.
I like any hardware related topic, so i would start by saying bravo to the poster!
I think the build that is shown is solid for gaming and combine great value/money. Here is the little tweak that i would do, keep in mind it's more by personal flavor and preference.
PSU: Most people try to put maximum wattage for their money, it have some legitimate value doing so im happy to see a guide with a better PSU, CX600M is a good pick, still a little low for my own taste as better efficiency mean less heat and better part protection, i personally go with Seasonic, but it's a good compromise for someone on a budget, also 600W will not be strong enough for Dual GPU you have to make that in consideration (since you put a Mobo that support it)
GPU: that is where i do not agree, 970 have a great value performance/dollars, but AMD 390 have better performance, more stable driver and cost less. It do not mean it's not a smart choice, just that i do not agree saying 970 is a easy pick. I would add if gamer want more performance with their money, its in the GPU that you need to put your extra money. I would recommand 980(390x) with i5-6600K over i7-6700K with a 970(390) if you have extra money to spent.
CPU cooler: as most people notice already if you go with a unlock CPU and z170 you need to have OC in your mind. NH-D14 or NH-D15 can put your 6600K at 4,5 very smoothly. There is still a lot of options available.
For the rest i think its up to your personal taste, look for price drop also, it can help choose different hardware!!
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
I agree with you. However, the article is espousing the "ultimate MMORPG gaming rig" so it seems like more top-of-the-line hardware choices should have been made. For example, anything that loads from the hard drives is going to benefit from a PCIe SSD over a standard SSD. A 980 is going to be marginally better than a 970. "Ultimate" guides shouldn't be concerned with costs as much... that said, I think the author's choices will put together a decent high end MMO-gaming PC.
I think it is a pretty good build, but it all depends on exactly how you use your computer, there is no perfect build for everyone based on both performance and price.
Here is my build BTW (1 year old besides the GFX card who is older and soon to be upgraded):
CPU: I7-5820K 3.3ghz (6 physical and another 6 logical cores) ASUS X99 (can't remember the exact model) Motherboard 16 gigs DDR4 (I think it was 3300) Corsair memory EVGA Nvidia 780 GTX, factory OCed 250 gigs Samsung SSD 840 4x3 TB Seagate media drives Corsair PRO 950W PSU (had it for 2 earlier builds already, it was expensive but will be good for my next one as well) Some coolermaster CPU fan... An ancient Chieftech maxitower from the late 90s.
I run it on W7, zonealarm firewall and Avasti antivirus.
I built it for my purposes, and it should last me a few more years with a new GFX card. I want something that will be good for 3 years and acceptable for one more. Some of the components are pretty expensive but they do last relatively long term. Also, the SSD I got cheap on a sale.
My tip anyways is to get the good stuff for anything that will outlast your current build. Don't cheap out on PSU, monitor or keyboard and you can re-use it later. You can buy a keyboard for twenty bucks but those don't last me long, might as well get a good one that lasts years instead. Anything you can use for your next computer as well will be worth a few bucks more. Also, get a good case, it will last a long while.
The GFX card is the thing I replace every 2 years, the rest every 3 or so. A new GFX card will prolong the life of a gaming rigg. And it is often better to wait and save up more money instead of cheapening out and get something that is just acceptable instead of good.
For the cpu go with i7 6700k, then again a i5 6600k could be enough. As for the gpu a gtx 970? Come on...There is no point in buying a 3.5gb vram video card today when you can get a 8gb vram gpu with more advanced tech specs for a cheaper price, so yeah one should go for radeon r9 390. If you are a nvidia fanboy then do yourself a favor and get a 980 so you could at least get the promised 4gb of vram; if you got the cash to spare get a 980 ti which is a very good gpu, this i cannot deny.
Yeah, the amusing thing is that the price on the high gb cards crashed right after I had to buy my 970. As in, maybe a month or two. If my vc had only waited a bit before it started going caputs. It just sucks. Meh, I just need to increase my entire rig.
I'd like to move to a good ssd too, but I don't think I can get a 2 tb ssd for the same price I paid for my 2tb black two years ago, not quite yet anyway. Since I currently have my 2tb full about half way, a 500 gb ssd is not going to remotely cut it. I need a bigger hd.
I did find out that the 16 gb did pretty much nothing. Everything still runs the same as when I had 8 gb ram.
Either way, its going to wait a while. I only just found a job after being out of work quite a long time and we need to catch up on that first. Plus, my sister is coming to visit in May and I haven't seen her in about 5 years. We want to get a king bed so she and her friend can use the queen bed during their stay.
One other thing is that I'm not sure I want to update to windows 10. My boss got a new computer with windows 10 last week and hates it. Considering I'm a computer person, trying to help her set it up was really aggravating.
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
I'm disabled with a very limited budget, but even I can afford a 1000$ computer every few years, or 5+ at the minimum. It's all in budgeting, and saving.
Yeah, I know a man who owns a 5 acre lot with a $500k home, he has 2 preschool age children, and owns a > $0.9M restaurant. His home computer is over 6 years old and he got it used from work for < $300. Why would such a wealth man, whose primary career is computer based budget so little on his home computer?
I'm not talking about people living in poverty, or hand to mouth. I'm talking about real people, middle class, upper middle class, and some might say wealth. They have budgets, that they prioritise very well. I say that most of the Builds proposed in this thread are from those who have no budget of their own, or don't budget well.
Pardon any spelling errors
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
I agree with you. However, the article is espousing the "ultimate MMORPG gaming rig" so it seems like more top-of-the-line hardware choices should have been made. For example, anything that loads from the hard drives is going to benefit from a PCIe SSD over a standard SSD. A 980 is going to be marginally better than a 970. "Ultimate" guides shouldn't be concerned with costs as much... that said, I think the author's choices will put together a decent high end MMO-gaming PC.
Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
I'm disabled with a very limited budget, but even I can afford a 1000$ computer every few years, or 5+ at the minimum. It's all in budgeting, and saving.
Yeah, I know a man who owns a 5 acre lot with a $500k home, he has 2 preschool age children, and owns a > $0.9M restaurant. His home computer is over 6 years old and he got it used from work for < $300. Why would such a wealth man, whose primary career is computer based budget so little on his home computer?
I'm not talking about people living in poverty, or hand to mouth. I'm talking about real people, middle class, upper middle class, and some might say wealth. They have budgets, that they prioritise very well. I say that most of the Builds proposed in this thread are from those who have no budget of their own, or don't budget well.
If you don't have more than 25% of your income as completely disposable you don't budget well. How is that for a statement applied to 7+ billion people on this planet? Oh wait you can't do that and still be accurate, weird. Before you start spouting garbage about people know that there are a lot of them and everyone has their own situation. If your friend doesn't have a better computer maybe its just because he doesn't care to. Or maybe his wife doesn't work, he's raising two kids, and has a massive mortgage, who knows it could be a lot of things. Also note that just because you own a $1m restaurant doesn't mean there is a ton of money left over, or any, hell it could be a money sink this current fiscal period. Even if I make $50k a year and can burn $13k a year and still make all my obligations doesn't mean everyone can. To each their own.
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
I'm disabled with a very limited budget, but even I can afford a 1000$ computer every few years, or 5+ at the minimum. It's all in budgeting, and saving.
Yeah, I know a man who owns a 5 acre lot with a $500k home, he has 2 preschool age children, and owns a > $0.9M restaurant. His home computer is over 6 years old and he got it used from work for < $300. Why would such a wealth man, whose primary career is computer based budget so little on his home computer?
I'm not talking about people living in poverty, or hand to mouth. I'm talking about real people, middle class, upper middle class, and some might say wealth. They have budgets, that they prioritise very well. I say that most of the Builds proposed in this thread are from those who have no budget of their own, or don't budget well.
If you don't have more than 25% of your income as completely disposable you don't budget well. How is that for a statement applied to 7+ billion people on this planet? Oh wait you can't do that and still be accurate, weird. Before you start spouting garbage about people know that there are a lot of them and everyone has their own situation. If your friend doesn't have a better computer maybe its just because he doesn't care to. Or maybe his wife doesn't work, he's raising two kids, and has a massive mortgage, who knows it could be a lot of things. Also note that just because you own a $1m restaurant doesn't mean there is a ton of money left over, or any, hell it could be a money sink this current fiscal period. Even if I make $50k a year and can burn $13k a year and still make all my obligations doesn't mean everyone can. To each their own.
If you wanted to do the soon-to-be-released GTX 1070 (June 10th I think), is there anything else you would need to change? Or would it work with the rest of the setup here just like the 970? Is that a good idea to wait for it instead of the 970?
If you wanted to do the soon-to-be-released GTX 1070 (June 10th I think), is there anything else you would need to change? Or would it work with the rest of the setup here just like the 970? Is that a good idea to wait for it instead of the 970?
If you decide to wait for the GTX 1070, expect to wait half a year or so. Nvidia announced it at the same time as the GTX 1080, which pretty trivially is not going to be available for at least several months after the nominal launch date. It's (barely) plausible that the GTX 1070 could have a hard launch, but it could just as easily not be widely available until 2017.
If you're inclined to wait, AMD Polaris is the thing to wait for, as that probably is going to be available around the middle of this year. If the GTX 1070 happens to be available (in stock, not pre-order) before Polaris shows up, then sure, have at it. But that's not that likely to happen.
I would like to see a benchmark on the AMD Athlon x4 880K. It was just released and I am having trouble finding reviews that show where its a bottleneck for a GPU. Sure it isn't the best CPU, but I am wondering if its good enough for a GPU dependent gaming PC. Potential cost saving is around $300.
If you wanted to do the soon-to-be-released GTX 1070 (June 10th I think), is there anything else you would need to change? Or would it work with the rest of the setup here just like the 970? Is that a good idea to wait for it instead of the 970?
If you decide to wait for the GTX 1070, expect to wait half a year or so. Nvidia announced it at the same time as the GTX 1080, which pretty trivially is not going to be available for at least several months after the nominal launch date. It's (barely) plausible that the GTX 1070 could have a hard launch, but it could just as easily not be widely available until 2017.
If you're inclined to wait, AMD Polaris is the thing to wait for, as that probably is going to be available around the middle of this year. If the GTX 1070 happens to be available (in stock, not pre-order) before Polaris shows up, then sure, have at it. But that's not that likely to happen.
Comments
They are valid for exactly one point in time. Prices change, all the time. What is a good deal today may be horrible tomorrow. Item XYZ may be on sale this week, making it great, but not on sale next week, making it not so great.
And people are ~always~ able to find something cheaper somewhere, and love to let everyone know about it.
I think posts like this should have an expiration date. In fact, I think posts like this should go even a step further, and just recommend "generic" items, and give an expected price range. Once you start linking to specific items, especially from specific retailers, you've done doomed your post to a quick and not-so-timely expiration. And it makes me think... who's getting the kickback from pointing people to that retailer?
FX 9590
Gigabyte 970-UD3P
R9 390 G1 8 GB
Cooler Master N300 case
Kingston SSD 240gb
Seagate ST1000DX001 SSHD Hybrid
widows 10
16 gb Kingston Hyper fury X 2x8 gb
Corsair CS850 Modular 80 Plus Gold Rated power suply
oh and Corsair Hydro Series H80I GT Cooler
Great rig little louder then i would have liked, but it was really nice investment and upgrade works really great and only gets better with driver updates. long time reader.
Yes. I7 is useless for mmorpgs. We know, or at least should know, they are made on bad and old engines. And they are mostly single threaded. We need the most power on one core and i5 is a better choice than i7. Disabling hyper threading on an i7 actually gives slightly more performance for a single thread.
The OP's build lacks a good cooler, and going for 6600k means overclocking. 4.5ghz easily. OP's motherboad has 10 power phase so it's good to go for solid oc. Overclocking is important for mmorpgs, we need high single core performance.
Myself I got a Nvidia 960 with 4 gb, not much difference except half the price of the 970. Oh and I agree with the guy pushing the Asus graphics cards, mine is super quiet and cool.
Most of the respondents in this thread are one percenters. Meaning they are in the 1% that can afford this build or the more costly ones being presented. Realize that the majority of consumers can't afford the rigs you are suggesting. The number one video card in computers today, the on-board (2-3 generations old cpu 2 cores).
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
I think the build that is shown is solid for gaming and combine great value/money. Here is the little tweak that i would do, keep in mind it's more by personal flavor and preference.
PSU: Most people try to put maximum wattage for their money, it have some legitimate value doing so im happy to see a guide with a better PSU, CX600M is a good pick, still a little low for my own taste as better efficiency mean less heat and better part protection, i personally go with Seasonic, but it's a good compromise for someone on a budget, also 600W will not be strong enough for Dual GPU you have to make that in consideration (since you put a Mobo that support it)
GPU: that is where i do not agree, 970 have a great value performance/dollars, but AMD 390 have better performance, more stable driver and cost less. It do not mean it's not a smart choice, just that i do not agree saying 970 is a easy pick. I would add if gamer want more performance with their money, its in the GPU that you need to put your extra money. I would recommand 980(390x) with i5-6600K over i7-6700K with a 970(390) if you have extra money to spent.
CPU cooler: as most people notice already if you go with a unlock CPU and z170 you need to have OC in your mind. NH-D14 or NH-D15 can put your 6600K at 4,5 very smoothly. There is still a lot of options available.
For the rest i think its up to your personal taste, look for price drop also, it can help choose different hardware!!
Thanks for the post!!!!
I agree with you. However, the article is espousing the "ultimate MMORPG gaming rig" so it seems like more top-of-the-line hardware choices should have been made. For example, anything that loads from the hard drives is going to benefit from a PCIe SSD over a standard SSD. A 980 is going to be marginally better than a 970. "Ultimate" guides shouldn't be concerned with costs as much... that said, I think the author's choices will put together a decent high end MMO-gaming PC.
Here is my build BTW (1 year old besides the GFX card who is older and soon to be upgraded):
CPU: I7-5820K 3.3ghz (6 physical and another 6 logical cores)
ASUS X99 (can't remember the exact model) Motherboard
16 gigs DDR4 (I think it was 3300) Corsair memory
EVGA Nvidia 780 GTX, factory OCed
250 gigs Samsung SSD 840
4x3 TB Seagate media drives
Corsair PRO 950W PSU (had it for 2 earlier builds already, it was expensive but will be good for my next one as well)
Some coolermaster CPU fan...
An ancient Chieftech maxitower from the late 90s.
Corsair K70 Keyboard
Logitech Trackman
Dell 27" 2K screen.
I run it on W7, zonealarm firewall and Avasti antivirus.
I built it for my purposes, and it should last me a few more years with a new GFX card. I want something that will be good for 3 years and acceptable for one more. Some of the components are pretty expensive but they do last relatively long term. Also, the SSD I got cheap on a sale.
My tip anyways is to get the good stuff for anything that will outlast your current build. Don't cheap out on PSU, monitor or keyboard and you can re-use it later. You can buy a keyboard for twenty bucks but those don't last me long, might as well get a good one that lasts years instead. Anything you can use for your next computer as well will be worth a few bucks more. Also, get a good case, it will last a long while.
The GFX card is the thing I replace every 2 years, the rest every 3 or so. A new GFX card will prolong the life of a gaming rigg. And it is often better to wait and save up more money instead of cheapening out and get something that is just acceptable instead of good.
I'd like to move to a good ssd too, but I don't think I can get a 2 tb ssd for the same price I paid for my 2tb black two years ago, not quite yet anyway. Since I currently have my 2tb full about half way, a 500 gb ssd is not going to remotely cut it. I need a bigger hd.
I did find out that the 16 gb did pretty much nothing. Everything still runs the same as when I had 8 gb ram.
Either way, its going to wait a while. I only just found a job after being out of work quite a long time and we need to catch up on that first. Plus, my sister is coming to visit in May and I haven't seen her in about 5 years. We want to get a king bed so she and her friend can use the queen bed during their stay.
One other thing is that I'm not sure I want to update to windows 10. My boss got a new computer with windows 10 last week and hates it. Considering I'm a computer person, trying to help her set it up was really aggravating.
Priorities and all that.
Yeah, I know a man who owns a 5 acre lot with a $500k home, he has 2 preschool age children, and owns a > $0.9M restaurant. His home computer is over 6 years old and he got it used from work for < $300. Why would such a wealth man, whose primary career is computer based budget so little on his home computer?
I'm not talking about people living in poverty, or hand to mouth. I'm talking about real people, middle class, upper middle class, and some might say wealth. They have budgets, that they prioritise very well. I say that most of the Builds proposed in this thread are from those who have no budget of their own, or don't budget well.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
I didn't focus on the use of "ultimate." I missed that. For those wanting a good read on the reasoning behind part selection Build An Amazing GeForce GTX 970 PC For Under $1,000.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
If you don't have more than 25% of your income as completely disposable you don't budget well. How is that for a statement applied to 7+ billion people on this planet? Oh wait you can't do that and still be accurate, weird. Before you start spouting garbage about people know that there are a lot of them and everyone has their own situation. If your friend doesn't have a better computer maybe its just because he doesn't care to. Or maybe his wife doesn't work, he's raising two kids, and has a massive mortgage, who knows it could be a lot of things. Also note that just because you own a $1m restaurant doesn't mean there is a ton of money left over, or any, hell it could be a money sink this current fiscal period. Even if I make $50k a year and can burn $13k a year and still make all my obligations doesn't mean everyone can. To each their own.
If you're inclined to wait, AMD Polaris is the thing to wait for, as that probably is going to be available around the middle of this year. If the GTX 1070 happens to be available (in stock, not pre-order) before Polaris shows up, then sure, have at it. But that's not that likely to happen.
Oh, that's good to know. Thank you!