are the people saying they'd sub in a heartbeat for 12 months the same people who said wildstar was going to be the next WoW? until they realized what it was and abandoned ship? i wonder...
well TBC isn't vanilla but if blizz did introduce "legacy servers" i see no reason to believe they cannot have a server with TBC enabled or at the very least introduce one a few months after they launch vanilla.
to me working out those details isn't the major issue. here is the thing about those subs they are supposedly missing, they are not coming back now, that is for sure.
those players are now flocking to other private servers or possibly other games, they are not going to just say "well, guess we have to sub to wow now"
maybe a select few are but i hope blizz causing this shit storm was worth those few coming back.
Respectfully, that's a stretch to say Blizzard is "causing" a shit-storm, they did what is perfectly in their right to do, they shutdown a "rival" who got too big for their britches. What causes such "storms" is people being people, thinking they're entitled to have whatever they want, regardless of what it costs the creator.. Sorry if that sounds harsh, yet in the end that's the truth of the matter.
to be honest, if they are going to be arrogant pricks about it and tell us we actually don't want that, refuse to offer the service, then cry foul when a "rival" provides that service......then yep, it's a shit storm they unleashed.
i realize it's their legal right to do what they did, does not necessarily make it the right thing to do. they could have handled this differently, they could have taken the DBG route.
There is no "splitting the playerbase" anymore with this. The folks wanting a classic server aren't playing or paying now anyway.
We're to the point where they're two completely different groups of people. I'm one of them, I refuse to play the abomination that the current game is, but I'll play on an official Classic, BC, or Wrath server in a heartbeat. It's the only way Blizzard will get my money for the WoW IP again.
80k supporters so far @ $15 per month = $1,200,000 potential revenue, that is a lot of money to just dismiss per month.
You are assuming those 80k would pay a sub ................they wont.............. matter a fact the only reason they are signing the petition is in hopes that they get there free Wow server back ...
LOL so you know exactly what all 80,000 people will do, huh? i think you are far off the mark with your assumption. maybe some of them will not, especially after this.
but i personally know a large handful of people that played on that server and they would all be willing to pay the sub to blizz for a vanilla server.
in fact most seem to prefer to play on a live server than a private server mainly for the CS and the hopes that the server wont be so over-populated.
if one thing sucked about nost it was that there was too many on their pvp server. with blizz, there would likely be more servers to make it a more enjoyable and stable experience.
let us not forget, nost isn't the only private wow server and there are all kinds of private servers with different rulesets that are not vanilla.
yet the vanilla wow private servers seem to be the most popular, how come? i will tell you this, it's not because it's free, otherwise free standard servers would be just as popular.
it's because vanilla isn't a service that is offered and a whole lot of people want to play it rather than current wow which a lot of people don't like, it's as simple as that.
So once again , this now 80k , is less than 1% of Blizzs paying customers , this less than 1% is made up of a majority of people that were stealing a service .. And now you expect Blizz to do flips for them ... good luck with that
Eh im for blizzard doing what the want to do with there property but i don't see what the appeal is to go to a old build of a game thats still going i mean i can understand if the mmo is dead or not being supported anymore then yeah make a legacy server
So once again , this now 80k , is less than 1% of Blizzs paying customers , this less than 1% is made up of a majority of people that were stealing a service .. And now you expect Blizz to do flips for them ... good luck with that
84,500 ... but who's counting?
Still significantly less than the 150k "active" players on the server....but who's counting?
For the record, just giving good natured trouble to you.
hey blizzard, if u dont open legacy servers, somebody else will, good luck closing servers in africa, south america or asia.
If they can't get them shut down, and they probably could, then they could just have an enforcement order put in that meant you can't connect to them, its not that difficult, and Blizzard can afford to do it. Basically the world is no longer that large that your out of reach.
there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
It wasn't nostalgia that kept me playing on Nostalrius for over a year. I simply love Vanilla, and find it to be superior to all other versions of WoW.
Yeah I have like 2 versions of wow that run 3.5 and 5.4 there is so many people working on the private servers for WOW and have done for so long now I really don't think Blizzard could stop them all.
So once again , this now 80k , is less than 1% of Blizzs paying customers , this less than 1% is made up of a majority of people that were stealing a service .. And now you expect Blizz to do flips for them ... good luck with that
84,500 ... but who's counting?
Still significantly less than the 150k "active" players on the server....but who's counting?
For the record, just giving good natured trouble to you.
Doh! Well, I suppose I deserve that.
Truth be told, I think this debate is much ado about nothing. I don't think Blizzard is going to give us legacy servers any time soon. I think they should, but I'm pretty sure they won't.
So once again , this now 80k , is less than 1% of Blizzs paying customers , this less than 1% is made up of a majority of people that were stealing a service .. And now you expect Blizz to do flips for them ... good luck with that
84,500 ... but who's counting?
Still significantly less than the 150k "active" players on the server....but who's counting?
For the record, just giving good natured trouble to you.
Doh! Well, I suppose I deserve that.
Truth be told, I think this debate is much ado about nothing. I don't think Blizzard is going to give us legacy servers any time soon. I think they should, but I'm pretty sure they won't.
These debates are still fun though.
Thing is that we all, regardless of our position on classic realms, love WoW in one of its many incarnations or another. If we didn't, there would be no debate.
Can anyone name another entity in history that takes 10 years or more to tell a story but removes it's first chapters from history? Sounds like maybe they are getting a little long winded at this point. Every other game or book I've ever owned I'm able to replay and share with my children.
Happily playing Vanilla and BC WoW, again, since September 2016.
So once again , this now 80k , is less than 1% of Blizzs paying customers , this less than 1% is made up of a majority of people that were stealing a service .. And now you expect Blizz to do flips for them ... good luck with that
84,500 ... but who's counting?
Still significantly less than the 150k "active" players on the server....but who's counting?
For the record, just giving good natured trouble to you.
Doh! Well, I suppose I deserve that.
Truth be told, I think this debate is much ado about nothing. I don't think Blizzard is going to give us legacy servers any time soon. I think they should, but I'm pretty sure they won't.
These debates are still fun though.
Thing is that we all, regardless of our position on classic realms, love WoW in one of its many incarnations or another. If we didn't, there would be no debate.
Regardless, an online petition is only a portion of those who would partake. Assuming that it represents those of us in the passionate 20% (throwing a number out that sounds good), then there are at least a stable and solid 400k customers for the concept of legacy servers.
Hell, I think 80k is more than Wildstar has at the moment and while struggling, they're still online.
hey blizzard, if u dont open legacy servers, somebody else will, good luck closing servers in africa, south america or asia.
If they can't get them shut down, and they probably could, then they could just have an enforcement order put in that meant you can't connect to them, its not that difficult, and Blizzard can afford to do it. Basically the world is no longer that large that your out of reach.
there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
They don't have to, they just get a court order that tells ISP's to not allow connections to it, and its done, and once all the NA/EU ISP's have it blocked its game over.
I know money and profitability are the most important, and some people are saying 1% of total population.
Let's do a little theory crafting
If only half of the people that signed the petition (40k) were to actually sub at $14 a month (that's assuming that all petition signers are currently not subscribers) that's $560,000 a month added revenue from 2-3 servers. If only half of those stay past the 1st month that's $230,000 a month. And if only half of that stay for a full year that's $115,000. Now $115,000 a month for a year is $1.38 million dollars.
hey blizzard, if u dont open legacy servers, somebody else will, good luck closing servers in africa, south america or asia.
If they can't get them shut down, and they probably could, then they could just have an enforcement order put in that meant you can't connect to them, its not that difficult, and Blizzard can afford to do it. Basically the world is no longer that large that your out of reach.
there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
They don't have to, they just get a court order that tells ISP's to not allow connections to it, and its done, and once all the NA/EU ISP's have it blocked its game over.
Is it really that easy to control what you see and do on the Internet?
hey blizzard, if u dont open legacy servers, somebody else will, good luck closing servers in africa, south america or asia.
If they can't get them shut down, and they probably could, then they could just have an enforcement order put in that meant you can't connect to them, its not that difficult, and Blizzard can afford to do it. Basically the world is no longer that large that your out of reach.
there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
They don't have to, they just get a court order that tells ISP's to not allow connections to it, and its done, and once all the NA/EU ISP's have it blocked its game over.
they will take the court order and if, big if, they ever deliver, wipe his ass with it take a selfie and laugh. US law is not international law which is not another nation law...
hey blizzard, if u dont open legacy servers, somebody else will, good luck closing servers in africa, south america or asia.
If they can't get them shut down, and they probably could, then they could just have an enforcement order put in that meant you can't connect to them, its not that difficult, and Blizzard can afford to do it. Basically the world is no longer that large that your out of reach.
there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
They don't have to, they just get a court order that tells ISP's to not allow connections to it, and its done, and once all the NA/EU ISP's have it blocked its game over.
Is it really that easy to control what you see and do on the Internet?
Oddly enough, it is, there are several areas in the world that practice it rather heavily. Even Google 'filters' its content for searches, and there have already been cases where certain 'websites' have been blocked from the ISP's, so rather than taking the website down, its just isolated from it, which has the same effect in the end. After all, you can't route to an address if the address is blocked.
hey blizzard, if u dont open legacy servers, somebody else will, good luck closing servers in africa, south america or asia.
If they can't get them shut down, and they probably could, then they could just have an enforcement order put in that meant you can't connect to them, its not that difficult, and Blizzard can afford to do it. Basically the world is no longer that large that your out of reach.
there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
They don't have to, they just get a court order that tells ISP's to not allow connections to it, and its done, and once all the NA/EU ISP's have it blocked its game over.
Is it really that easy to control what you see and do on the Internet?
Oddly enough, it is, there are several areas in the world that practice it rather heavily. Even Google 'filters' its content for searches, and there have already been cases where certain 'websites' have been blocked from the ISP's, so rather than taking the website down, its just isolated from it, which has the same effect in the end. After all, you can't route to an address if the address is blocked.
clone the code host in 2 new places, there is no way to stop the internet.
well the idea that blizzard only now has turned to shutting down these servers could mean that they intend to open classic servers at some point in the near future. That's what i and many others are hoping anyways.
hey blizzard, if u dont open legacy servers, somebody else will, good luck closing servers in africa, south america or asia.
If they can't get them shut down, and they probably could, then they could just have an enforcement order put in that meant you can't connect to them, its not that difficult, and Blizzard can afford to do it. Basically the world is no longer that large that your out of reach.
there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
They don't have to, they just get a court order that tells ISP's to not allow connections to it, and its done, and once all the NA/EU ISP's have it blocked its game over.
Is it really that easy to control what you see and do on the Internet?
Oddly enough, it is, there are several areas in the world that practice it rather heavily. Even Google 'filters' its content for searches, and there have already been cases where certain 'websites' have been blocked from the ISP's, so rather than taking the website down, its just isolated from it, which has the same effect in the end. After all, you can't route to an address if the address is blocked.
clone the code host in 2 new places, there is no way to stop the internet.
How many times would they have to do that though? and can they afford to even do that anyway, and given how those things work, what if the 'hosts' refuse to play ball and accept them as a customer, which is likely given that the host can be held liable for aiding illegal activities, which hurts their reputation and earnings potential.
well the idea that blizzard only now has turned to shutting down these servers could mean that they intend to open classic servers at some point in the near future. That's what i and many others are hoping anyways.
They most likely did it because they didn't want someone leeching off their financial piggy bank, unfortunately. Nost was getting a lot of media attention and had a really massive player population. Those two things painted a target on the server for a take down, and I'd suspect Kronos might be next if it gets too popular. I personally think the classic version of the game is far better than the current one due to being a bit more open ended in storylines instead of being shoehorned into one big war campaign after another.
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i realize it's their legal right to do what they did, does not necessarily make it the right thing to do. they could have handled this differently, they could have taken the DBG route.
We're to the point where they're two completely different groups of people. I'm one of them, I refuse to play the abomination that the current game is, but I'll play on an official Classic, BC, or Wrath server in a heartbeat. It's the only way Blizzard will get my money for the WoW IP again.
LOL so you know exactly what all 80,000 people will do, huh? i think you are far off the mark with your assumption. maybe some of them will not, especially after this.
but i personally know a large handful of people that played on that server and they would all be willing to pay the sub to blizz for a vanilla server.
in fact most seem to prefer to play on a live server than a private server mainly for the CS and the hopes that the server wont be so over-populated.
if one thing sucked about nost it was that there was too many on their pvp server. with blizz, there would likely be more servers to make it a more enjoyable and stable experience.
let us not forget, nost isn't the only private wow server and there are all kinds of private servers with different rulesets that are not vanilla.
yet the vanilla wow private servers seem to be the most popular, how come? i will tell you this, it's not because it's free, otherwise free standard servers would be just as popular.
it's because vanilla isn't a service that is offered and a whole lot of people want to play it rather than current wow which a lot of people don't like, it's as simple as that.
For the record, just giving good natured trouble to you.
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there are places in the world where the only solution for blizzard would be sending soldiers with scissors to cut the wires or bribing the local authorities for a lot of money if they care enough.
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Hell, I think 80k is more than Wildstar has at the moment and while struggling, they're still online.
Let's do a little theory crafting
If only half of the people that signed the petition (40k) were to actually sub at $14 a month (that's assuming that all petition signers are currently not subscribers) that's $560,000 a month added revenue from 2-3 servers. If only half of those stay past the 1st month that's $230,000 a month. And if only half of that stay for a full year that's $115,000. Now $115,000 a month for a year is $1.38 million dollars.
Now what is the cost /month + staff for a server.
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they will take the court order and if, big if, they ever deliver, wipe his ass with it take a selfie and laugh. US law is not international law which is not another nation law...
Even Google 'filters' its content for searches, and there have already been cases where certain 'websites' have been blocked from the ISP's, so rather than taking the website down, its just isolated from it, which has the same effect in the end. After all, you can't route to an address if the address is blocked.
clone the code host in 2 new places, there is no way to stop the internet.
That's what i and many others are hoping anyways.