all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rosthate-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
idiots always play the profit card...that is not in the law. Reproduction for anything but personal use is theft. If you make a poster for your band and post it up with someone else's art to promote a concert you are stealing. If you use someone art in something you produce to show to others for public distribution it is theft.
law, moral and justice are completely diferent things, in the law ground like i said blizzard have they right, but when we stop to actually think and analise the situation everybody loses, nostalrius wasnt competing with blizzards and none of these players will go back to wow, in the end you have a lot of ppl pissed with no visible gain unless blizzrd open their own vanila servers which they probably wont because that would contradict all the trash arguments spiled by them and the fanboys.
lol, not gonna happen. Sure, it seems simple to just bring up a new server with the old client and just run that version until it burns itself out but Blizzard is a big boy now. If it doesnt have access to the cash shop, sub tokens, or any of the 'milking features' that have come since its not worth their money. Does that make them greedy jerkwads who wont lift a finger for their fans if it wont make them millions? Of course, but that ship sailed some time between TBC and the day Sparkles the Blue Space Pony made them $2 million in 4 hours.
all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rose-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
I'm pretty sure that if the Nost admins thought they could legally get away with taking money for the "love of the fans", they would have. They didn't take money because they knew that it would put them in Blizz's legal crosshairs that much faster.
All involved in managing this 'private' server and everyone who played on it knew full well that the outcome and the closure of the server was a possibility and, indeed, a probability.
Blizzard isn't actively trying to "stick it to" anyone or "deprive" them of anything. It's protecting its investment in the world's most successful MMO and its ownership rights.
all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rose-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
I'm pretty sure that if the Nost admins thought they could legally get away with taking money for the "love of the fans", they would have. They didn't take money because they knew that it would put them in Blizz's legal crosshairs that much faster.
All involved in managing this 'private' server and everyone who played on it knew full well that the outcome and the closure of the server was a possibility and, indeed, a probability.
Blizzard isn't actively trying to "stick it to" anyone or "deprive" them of anything. It's protecting its investment in the world's most successful MMO and its ownership rights.
Hit the agree button by accident
I think that is quite an unfair comment. If that is the case then why the hell did they waste their time doing it the way they did.
That's not much better than me saying ActiBlizz is taking food from babies mouths because they bought Candy Crush so they could profit from single mothers who can't afford to feed their babies.
Both comments are plain stupid
may be legal, but thats does not make it moral or fair to do.
all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rose-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
I'm pretty sure that if the Nost admins thought they could legally get away with taking money for the "love of the fans", they would have. They didn't take money because they knew that it would put them in Blizz's legal crosshairs that much faster.
All involved in managing this 'private' server and everyone who played on it knew full well that the outcome and the closure of the server was a possibility and, indeed, a probability.
Blizzard isn't actively trying to "stick it to" anyone or "deprive" them of anything. It's protecting its investment in the world's most successful MMO and its ownership rights.
Hit the agree button by accident
I think that is quite an unfair comment. If that is the case then why the hell did they waste their time doing it the way they did.
That's not much better than me saying ActiBlizz is taking food from babies mouths because they bought Candy Crush so they could profit from single mothers who can't afford to feed their babies.
Both comments are plain stupid
may be legal, but thats does not make it moral or fair to do.
Business isn't about morality or fairness. It's about making money. When classic realms become a profitable possibility, they will do it. Until then, they have better, more profitable ways of generating revenue. It definitely could change in time, but for now, it's not on the priority list.
When talking about "stealing" software you have to broaden your thinking of it. While it doesn't take the product away from anyone it does "grant it" to someone who normally should not have the right to it.
As far as people saying that those who want the old game have "rose colored glasses" I agree that isn't really the case. It's just that they might not be in the same "gaming place" as they were years ago and can't understand how someone else could be.
However "yes" It's Blizzard's hard work and their IP and they do have the right to dictate what happens to it.
Just like any of us want to dictate what happens to any of our own property.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rose-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
I'm pretty sure that if the Nost admins thought they could legally get away with taking money for the "love of the fans", they would have. They didn't take money because they knew that it would put them in Blizz's legal crosshairs that much faster.
All involved in managing this 'private' server and everyone who played on it knew full well that the outcome and the closure of the server was a possibility and, indeed, a probability.
Blizzard isn't actively trying to "stick it to" anyone or "deprive" them of anything. It's protecting its investment in the world's most successful MMO and its ownership rights.
Hit the agree button by accident
I think that is quite an unfair comment. If that is the case then why the hell did they waste their time doing it the way they did.
That's not much better than me saying ActiBlizz is taking food from babies mouths because they bought Candy Crush so they could profit from single mothers who can't afford to feed their babies.
Both comments are plain stupid
may be legal, but thats does not make it moral or fair to do.
Business isn't about morality or fairness. It's about making money. When classic realms become a profitable possibility, they will do it. Until then, they have better, more profitable ways of generating revenue. It definitely could change in time, but for now, it's not on the priority list.
exactly, which makes me sad is, consumers actually defending the same ppl that milk them with no remorse and triyn o put down anyone with a criticism that could make his life better.
all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rosthate-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
idiots always play the profit card...that is not in the law. Reproduction for anything but personal use is theft. If you make a poster for your band and post it up with someone else's art to promote a concert you are stealing. If you use someone art in something you produce to show to others for public distribution it is theft.
law, moral and justice are completely diferent things, in the law ground like i said blizzard have they right, but when we stop to actually think and analise the situation everybody loses, nostalrius wasnt competing with blizzards and none of these players will go back to wow, in the end you have a lot of ppl pissed with no visible gain unless blizzrd open their own vanila servers which they probably wont because that would contradict all the trash arguments spiled by them and the fanboys.
What makes you think it's Fanbois arguing with you folks here? I dislike every Blizz game from Warcraft to Diablo, yet still think you folks have no case to make. From your stance on the server closure to your stance against Blizzard, none of these arguments are rooted in solid ground. It all boils down to "I want and they're evil for taking it and not giving it back to me"....
You might also want to apply some forethought .. if you really want this, blasting the company as well as anyone who disagrees with you with heated vitriolic replies. Isn't the best way to go about it..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rose-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
I'm pretty sure that if the Nost admins thought they could legally get away with taking money for the "love of the fans", they would have. They didn't take money because they knew that it would put them in Blizz's legal crosshairs that much faster.
All involved in managing this 'private' server and everyone who played on it knew full well that the outcome and the closure of the server was a possibility and, indeed, a probability.
Blizzard isn't actively trying to "stick it to" anyone or "deprive" them of anything. It's protecting its investment in the world's most successful MMO and its ownership rights.
Hit the agree button by accident
I think that is quite an unfair comment. If that is the case then why the hell did they waste their time doing it the way they did.
That's not much better than me saying ActiBlizz is taking food from babies mouths because they bought Candy Crush so they could profit from single mothers who can't afford to feed their babies.
Both comments are plain stupid
may be legal, but thats does not make it moral or fair to do.
Business isn't about morality or fairness. It's about making money. When classic realms become a profitable possibility, they will do it. Until then, they have better, more profitable ways of generating revenue. It definitely could change in time, but for now, it's not on the priority list.
exactly, which makes me sad is, consumers actually defending the same ppl that milk them with no remorse and triyn o put down anyone with a criticism that could make his life better.
I suspect that most here don't bear any ill will to anyone who would like to see the glory days return. But it has to be done in Blizzard's good time and under the auspices of their rights as owners of the game and all the attendant pieces of it.
all arguments are a minor variation of " no.... you think you want but you dont..." . How the hell do you know or dictate what we want?? that stupid, we know what we want and what we want does not affect you. just because you are intelectually disonest of suffer from sheep syndrome where media dictates what you like doesnt mean everybody else is.
seems you are the intellectually dishonest one cause not all arguments are "no....you think you want it but you don't"....
take any blizzard fanboy/shill ramdom reply here and ill show you. Hints: look for the " you have rose-tintered glasses... in this page there are at least 2. the only reasonable reply is " its the right of blizzard" , totally dck move but it is.
dick move is stealing something just because someone said you can not play with their toys.
excetpt nobody stole nothing, it was the clone of a toy belonging to a selfish asle kid that did not cared about him for about 12 years.
you do realize reproducing someone's artistic work without their permission is theft right. That does register for you right...mr intellectual dishonest
when they are profitting from it, nostalrius was made for the love of the fans, its was actuallly an expression of admiration of what this company WAS.
I'm pretty sure that if the Nost admins thought they could legally get away with taking money for the "love of the fans", they would have. They didn't take money because they knew that it would put them in Blizz's legal crosshairs that much faster.
All involved in managing this 'private' server and everyone who played on it knew full well that the outcome and the closure of the server was a possibility and, indeed, a probability.
Blizzard isn't actively trying to "stick it to" anyone or "deprive" them of anything. It's protecting its investment in the world's most successful MMO and its ownership rights.
Hit the agree button by accident
I think that is quite an unfair comment. If that is the case then why the hell did they waste their time doing it the way they did.
That's not much better than me saying ActiBlizz is taking food from babies mouths because they bought Candy Crush so they could profit from single mothers who can't afford to feed their babies.
Both comments are plain stupid
may be legal, but thats does not make it moral or fair to do.
Business isn't about morality or fairness. It's about making money. When classic realms become a profitable possibility, they will do it. Until then, they have better, more profitable ways of generating revenue. It definitely could change in time, but for now, it's not on the priority list.
I think its safe to say that with the successful branching out by Blizzard into different game types that WoW in any form isn't a priority anymore.
Sorry as I am to think that, I agree with you. While it's still a big portion of their annual profits, it's not the "go to" game any more. Smaller games with leaner teams that generate big bucks through eSports are have taken the spotlight.
Funny as it is, it almost feels like that's being acknowledged with all the wrapping up of some of the biggest stories going all the way back to Warcraft, the release of the up-to-now unreleased lore in the Chronicles series and even in the redemption of Illidan (or so it is supposed but that's another thread haha).
Lot of people are looking through rose tented glasses. Vanilla was different for sure. It was fun. No doubt. But it also had that new car smell. Which it doesn't now. I had a blast in Vanilla. I certainly would not go back for it though. I bet most people might for a few months and then say " This isn't exactly what I remember." rose tented glasses." You can't force communities to populate servers. As much as people claim to have hated Barrens chat. That was literally part of the experience. I saw some pretty funny crap unfold in that chat.
I saw 30 lowbies take on a lvl 60. I was part of it. Corpses everywhere. Just endlessly whelping him. Everyone had a blast doing it. That one person out to gank 15's -20's actually became an event. Not one person was bitching about it either but having fun. Cries for help spread to Orgrimmar and soon after it turned into a horde vs. alliance event. Alliance staged outside the Crossroads I think it was. And Horde inside and that lasted all night.
Blizzard can't force interactions like that to happen and in a lot of cases actually frowned upon those types of interactions. All this stuff combined in the vanilla experience is what made that experience good. So many current features that people are currently use in the game would be missed on rolled back servers. Blizzard would have to do a sort of hybrid vanilla experience. Vanilla was catering to a different demographic than the game is now. The consumer landscape has changed greatly in 10 years. Most of the people who could spend 8-10-12 hours a session now have families and careers. Those are the people who this rollback would be targeting.
Ah, the good ole rose tinted glasses straw man. No MMORPG thread discussing older games is truly complete until this fallacy has been clumsily wielded to invalidate the opinion's of others concerning video games.
Lot of people are looking through rose tented glasses. Vanilla was different for sure. It was fun. No doubt. But it also had that new car smell. Which it doesn't now. I had a blast in Vanilla. I certainly would not go back for it though. I bet most people might for a few months and then say " This isn't exactly what I remember." rose tented glasses." You can't force communities to populate servers. As much as people claim to have hated Barrens chat. That was literally part of the experience. I saw some pretty funny crap unfold in that chat.
I saw 30 lowbies take on a lvl 60. I was part of it. Corpses everywhere. Just endlessly whelping him. Everyone had a blast doing it. That one person out to gank 15's -20's actually became an event. Not one person was bitching about it either but having fun. Cries for help spread to Orgrimmar and soon after it turned into a horde vs. alliance event. Alliance staged outside the Crossroads I think it was. And Horde inside and that lasted all night.
Blizzard can't force interactions like that to happen and in a lot of cases actually frowned upon those types of interactions. All this stuff combined in the vanilla experience is what made that experience good. So many current features that people are currently use in the game would be missed on rolled back servers. Blizzard would have to do a sort of hybrid vanilla experience. Vanilla was catering to a different demographic than the game is now. The consumer landscape has changed greatly in 10 years. Most of the people who could spend 8-10-12 hours a session now have families and careers. Those are the people who this rollback would be targeting.
Ah, the good ole rose tinted glasses straw man. No MMORPG thread discussing older games is truly complete until this fallacy has been clumsily wielded to invalidate the opinion's of others concerning video games.
Ah, the good ole rose tinted glasses straw man. No MMORPG thread discussing older games is truly complete until this fallacy has been clumsily wielded to invalidate the opinion's of others concerning video games.
only that churn data usually backs it up.. making it more a fact than a fallacy..
Ah, the good ole rose tinted glasses straw man. No MMORPG thread discussing older games is truly complete until this fallacy has been clumsily wielded to invalidate the opinion's of others concerning video games.
only that churn data usually backs it up.. making it more a fact than a fallacy..
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
Ah, the good ole rose tinted glasses straw man. No MMORPG thread discussing older games is truly complete until this fallacy has been clumsily wielded to invalidate the opinion's of others concerning video games.
only that churn data usually backs it up.. making it more a fact than a fallacy..
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
I agree Dullahan. The people do not understand that some people prefer what MMOS where before WOTLK. I prefer MMOs before they turned into Lobby based games. I love Vanilla and TBC WOW, FFXI, UO, SWG and I know there is a market out there because I know I am not the only person who feels that way. The problem is we have new aged MMORPG players who drank the kool aid of companies like Blizzard and say that MMORPGs of the old days will not work ever again. Yet people want them in some forum even if some quality of live changes are made like better group finder tools but not LFD or LFR. Not having to spend 4 power hours just to gain .1 of a skill point in UO. Dont loose loot on death. Stuff like that but still have the social aspect of MMOs.
Today the new aged MMORPG player says there is more of them yet they think this is the way it has to be just because there is more of them.
Ah, the good ole rose tinted glasses straw man. No MMORPG thread discussing older games is truly complete until this fallacy has been clumsily wielded to invalidate the opinion's of others concerning video games.
only that churn data usually backs it up.. making it more a fact than a fallacy..
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
You know I'd agree if this were a single player game, story focused game, a sandbox, or some type of thing that really supported greater community roleplay-etc...
But it's a game that is focused on progression. It's one thing to offer such a thing for free for the sake of reliving the memory of what was (the private server). Yet it makes little sense to release something like this using corporate funds that would be frozen in time, meaning the whole point of the game is thrown out of the window.. That's why this seems to be driven by nostalgia. As the reasoning for it as well as demand for it, is only looking from a perspective of "I want it". Totally ignoring whether it's practical as a sound business strategy.
A business doesn't spend money, implement resources, create teams etc.. simply so people can relive a memory. There has to be some measure of ongoing success/profit for it to be worth the effort. What happens once people complete a themepark's content when there is still more in the pipeline? Most leave. Now what happens when there's nothing new coming? Yeah...
The real Straw man being thrown around here is what's being said in reply to the nostalgia angle, as most are missing the bigger most pertinent picture.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
Oh but it does...
Now ofc it does not on a personal level. After all we still have people who prefer to drive a Model T Ford and listen to old hand-cranked record players. That is not to be argued.
But when you are a Acti/blizz sized company you can not care about the personal level... On a community level the people who argue for something out of nostalgia (rather than a actual desire like the people mentioned above) way outnumber the other group. These people leave once their nostalgia have been sated... A bit like going back and watching old TV shows.
So yes if we only look to the individual.. you are ofc right... you can find support for anything if you look deep enough. But as a community... the nostaliga "card" is much more than a "trick" to end argument... It is a fact.
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
Oh but it does...
Now ofc it does not on a personal level. After all we still have people who prefer to drive a Model T Ford and listen to old hand-cranked record players. That is not to be argued.
But when you are a Acti/blizz sized company you can not care about the personal level... On a community level the people who argue for something out of nostalgia (rather than a actual desire like the people mentioned above) way outnumber the other group. These people leave once their nostalgia have been sated... A bit like going back and watching old TV shows.
So yes if we only look to the individual.. you are ofc right... you can find support for anything if you look deep enough. But as a community... the nostaliga "card" is much more than a "trick" to end argument... It is a fact.
On a personal level : I am not nostalgic for WoW want the gameplay.
On a global level you need to look at how long some of these servers have been running - for years!
Project 1999 since 2009 The Rebirth since 2011 Vanilla Gaming since 2009 SWGEMU - 2010 Feenix - over a decade
Now that's not just nostalgia - that's is people playing the way they want to play.
Ah, the good ole rose tinted glasses straw man. No MMORPG thread discussing older games is truly complete until this fallacy has been clumsily wielded to invalidate the opinion's of others concerning video games.
only that churn data usually backs it up.. making it more a fact than a fallacy..
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
You know I'd agree if this were a single player game, story focused game, a sandbox, or some type of thing that really supported greater community roleplay-etc...
But it's a game that is focused on progression. It's one thing to offer such a thing for free for the sake of reliving the memory of what was (the private server). Yet it makes little sense to release something like this using corporate funds that would be frozen in time, meaning the whole point of the game is thrown out of the window.. That's why this seems to be driven by nostalgia. As the reasoning for it as well as demand for it, is only looking from a perspective of "I want it". Totally ignoring whether it's practical as a sound business strategy.
A business doesn't spend money, implement resources, create teams etc.. simply so people can relive a memory. There has to be some measure of ongoing success/profit for it to be worth the effort. What happens once people complete a themepark's content when there is still more in the pipeline? Most leave. Now what happens when there's nothing new coming? Yeah...
The real Straw man being thrown around here is what's being said in reply to the nostalgia angle, as most are missing the bigger most pertinent picture.
And that is your opinion. The truth is the reason why blizzard is not doing it is because its not to the profit margins that stockholders would want yet the current product of WOW if continued on its current path with making the game more of a FACEBOOK game will end up with sub 1 Million subs and no money left. VS a time where people played the game and had to be involved with the game itself and were much more loyal paying subscribers which Blizzard made money on.
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
Oh but it does...
Now ofc it does not on a personal level. After all we still have people who prefer to drive a Model T Ford and listen to old hand-cranked record players. That is not to be argued.
But when you are a Acti/blizz sized company you can not care about the personal level... On a community level the people who argue for something out of nostalgia (rather than a actual desire like the people mentioned above) way outnumber the other group. These people leave once their nostalgia have been sated... A bit like going back and watching old TV shows.
So yes if we only look to the individual.. you are ofc right... you can find support for anything if you look deep enough. But as a community... the nostaliga "card" is much more than a "trick" to end argument... It is a fact.
On a personal level : I am not nostalgic for WoW want the gameplay.
On a global level you need to look at how long some of these servers have been running - for years!
Project 1999 since 2009 The Rebirth since 2011 Vanilla Gaming since 2009 SWGEMU - 2010 Feenix - over a decade
Now that's not just nostalgia - that's is people playing the way they want to play.
This is a bad example, for starters there's no money involved, secondly 1999 EQ & SWG are totally different beasts than WOW. I play SWG pre-cu emu myself from time to time as it was my favorite era of any MMORPG.. not to mention my old server "bloodfin" runs their own SWG server (they also add their own things to the game keeping it somewhat fresh). That game works frozen in time as the community is the game, same with 1999 EQ for the most part. WOW is something else entirely, those games have no influence on a discussion about WOW..
Besides a WOW vanilla server owned and operated by Blizzard is not the same thing as any of those examples. People keep using eq's progressions servers as the example. Yet correct me if I'm wrong weren't those more about starting over with expacs being added gradually over time? I don't remember them as being set in stone to one precise build. (hence why they were dubbed progression servers)...
That's not what it seems people are asking for here, they're asking for a progression game to be locked into one time period and paid for and operated by a corporation. Why would they want to put resources into something that would only be viable for a rather short term?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
On a community level the people who argue for something out of nostalgia
Coming from the WOW community that is the worse group of vocal minority players. That is Laughable. You have LFR/LFD, garrisons, dailies and so on yet the subscription base is dwelling. You can say what you want that they have 5.4 Million subs yep that was what a year ago when they stopped reporting subs and right now there are dedicated WOW players that run Podcast that say the population is somewhere now around 3 to 4 million. Its dwelling because your community is a vocal minority where as people like me and my wife who hate what WOW has become dont have a sub. Well she subbed for a month to see who was still on and what the game is like now and cancelled it again. So that is 1 month subbed between 2 people since dec 2014. So while I am vocal about it she is silent on it we voted with our wallet as did many other people because the direction is a pile of shit.
So keep saying that on a community level yet you might have a few thousand forum goers on the WOW forums to vote down anyone who says remove LFR and LFD plus make old Vanilla WOW like instances. But while the subscription base wants that people like you and your forum goers dont so you have a dying game.
It's possible that down votes are more a symptom of people being sick of the same old (and always denied in fact or in silence) discussions. All of this stuff has been going on for a decade plus. Many are probably just tired of it and down vote the constant parade of request for things that aren't happening. Many players would prefer to stick to discussions about the live game instead.
I can tell you that people in my guild, while initially empathetic to the Nost players (not the admins), are tired of the incessant spamming of the forums and every other WoW social media. Empathy is wearing thin these days. Sometimes quiet dignity after you've stated your piece is a better avenue one said.
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
Oh but it does...
Now ofc it does not on a personal level. After all we still have people who prefer to drive a Model T Ford and listen to old hand-cranked record players. That is not to be argued.
But when you are a Acti/blizz sized company you can not care about the personal level... On a community level the people who argue for something out of nostalgia (rather than a actual desire like the people mentioned above) way outnumber the other group. These people leave once their nostalgia have been sated... A bit like going back and watching old TV shows.
So yes if we only look to the individual.. you are ofc right... you can find support for anything if you look deep enough. But as a community... the nostaliga "card" is much more than a "trick" to end argument... It is a fact.
On a personal level : I am not nostalgic for WoW want the gameplay.
On a global level you need to look at how long some of these servers have been running - for years!
Project 1999 since 2009 The Rebirth since 2011 Vanilla Gaming since 2009 SWGEMU - 2010 Feenix - over a decade
Now that's not just nostalgia - that's is people playing the way they want to play.
This is a bad example, for starters there's no money involved, secondly 1999 EQ & SWG are totally different beasts than WOW. I play SWG pre-cu emu myself from time to time as it was my favorite era of any MMORPG.. not to mention my old server "bloodfin" runs their own SWG server (they also add their own things to the game keeping it somewhat fresh). That game works frozen in time as the community is the game, same with 1999 EQ for the most part. WOW is something else entirely, those games have no influence on a discussion about WOW..
Besides a WOW vanilla server owned and operated by Blizzard is not the same thing as any of those examples. People keep using eq's progressions servers as the example. Yet correct me if I'm wrong weren't those more about starting over with expacs being added gradually over time? I don't remember them as being set in stone to one precise build. (hence why they were dubbed progression servers)...
That's not what it seems people are asking for here, they're asking for a progression game to be locked into one time period and paid for and operated by a corporation. Why would they want to put resources into something that would only be viable for a rather short term?
Have you not read the petition and the offer from developers and IT people alike that will volunteer their time to maintain the game FOR Blizzard? Blizzard would just have to run it on their hardware with their blessing? Not to mention that the current version of WOW is Dying and if it continues in the direction of legion is going expect it to either go F2P or for Vanilla WOW servers to be opened to increase subscriptions because while you are right IF WOW Subs stay up, they are about to go through the floor.
You can take that to the bank. Its become a single player online game. Yes the largest base of player is the single player market yet trying to make money from this group is like getting blood from a stone. You are best to sell a game designed like NHL 16 to them. You have your single player mode offline, and you have a Mutliplayer version online if you want. MMORPG players want their MMORPGs to be like Vanilla WOW was, SWG was, FFXI was, EQ was, UO was not the way WOW is today.
Now if you want to argue that Legion show nix all the single player trash, remove LFD and LFR and make vanilla like Instances again, remove Normal, Hard and Mythic raids and make 2 different raids 1 being a flex Raid that and the other raid being a completely different raid but this one being a 20 man raid. Then we can talk
No, it most certainly does not. Its nothing short of arguing an inarguable position based entirely on personal preference and perception to nullify the otherwise perfectly valid premises of why someone likes something.
Oh but it does...
Now ofc it does not on a personal level. After all we still have people who prefer to drive a Model T Ford and listen to old hand-cranked record players. That is not to be argued.
But when you are a Acti/blizz sized company you can not care about the personal level... On a community level the people who argue for something out of nostalgia (rather than a actual desire like the people mentioned above) way outnumber the other group. These people leave once their nostalgia have been sated... A bit like going back and watching old TV shows.
So yes if we only look to the individual.. you are ofc right... you can find support for anything if you look deep enough. But as a community... the nostaliga "card" is much more than a "trick" to end argument... It is a fact.
On a personal level : I am not nostalgic for WoW want the gameplay.
On a global level you need to look at how long some of these servers have been running - for years!
Project 1999 since 2009 The Rebirth since 2011 Vanilla Gaming since 2009 SWGEMU - 2010 Feenix - over a decade
Now that's not just nostalgia - that's is people playing the way they want to play.
This is a bad example, for starters there's no money involved, secondly 1999 EQ & SWG are totally different beasts than WOW. I play SWG pre-cu emu myself from time to time as it was my favorite era of any MMORPG.. not to mention my old server "bloodfin" runs their own SWG server (they also add their own things to the game keeping it somewhat fresh). That game works frozen in time as the community is the game, same with 1999 EQ for the most part. WOW is something else entirely, those games have no influence on a discussion about WOW..
Besides a WOW vanilla server owned and operated by Blizzard is not the same thing as any of those examples. People keep using eq's progressions servers as the example. Yet correct me if I'm wrong weren't those more about starting over with expacs being added gradually over time? I don't remember them as being set in stone to one precise build. (hence why they were dubbed progression servers)...
That's not what it seems people are asking for here, they're asking for a progression game to be locked into one time period and paid for and operated by a corporation. Why would they want to put resources into something that would only be viable for a rather short term?
Have you not read the petition and the offer from developers and IT people alike that will volunteer their time to maintain the game FOR Blizzard? Blizzard would just have to run it on their hardware with their blessing? Not to mention that the current version of WOW is Dying
Blizzard isn't into volunteerism and they will not host anything that they do not control directly with their employees. It's almost 100% assured they wouldn't hire those who violated ToS and EULA by setting up the server in the first place. To even insinuate it is a pipe dream.
It's possible that down votes are more a symptom of people being sick of the same old (and always denied in fact or in silence) discussions. All of this stuff has been going on for a decade plus. Many are probably just tired of it and down vote the constant parade of request for things that aren't happening. Many players would prefer to stick to discussions about the live game instead.
I can tell you that people in my guild, while initially empathetic to the Nost players (not the admins), are tired of the incessant spamming of the forums and every other WoW social media. Empathy is wearing thin these days. Sometimes quiet dignity after you've stated your piece is a better avenue one said.
Yes but is today's WOW in a better direction than Vanilla or TBC? You can try to argue that well MMO will loose customers and so on. Yet that is true but people who still 10+ years later still would play Vanilla TBC WOW OR if WOW had the Dungeons like they were 10 years ago. Or the game design. Today's direction is WRONG. You and Argue otherwise but then way have so many people left in a short time? This is exactly like PUB 16 from UO. Within 1 year of PUB 16 hitting UO lost 2/3s of its population.
You may be sick of Nost players, problem is it's not nost players, its players like me who do not like WOW in its current form who want it to be a MMORPG not a single player game like it is today.
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may be legal, but thats does not make it moral or fair to do.
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As far as people saying that those who want the old game have "rose colored glasses" I agree that isn't really the case. It's just that they might not be in the same "gaming place" as they were years ago and can't understand how someone else could be.
However "yes" It's Blizzard's hard work and their IP and they do have the right to dictate what happens to it.
Just like any of us want to dictate what happens to any of our own property.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You might also want to apply some forethought .. if you really want this, blasting the company as well as anyone who disagrees with you with heated vitriolic replies. Isn't the best way to go about it..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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Funny as it is, it almost feels like that's being acknowledged with all the wrapping up of some of the biggest stories going all the way back to Warcraft, the release of the up-to-now unreleased lore in the Chronicles series and even in the redemption of Illidan (or so it is supposed but that's another thread haha).
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How many are left in EQ and EQ2's legacy servers?
This have been a good conversation
Today the new aged MMORPG player says there is more of them yet they think this is the way it has to be just because there is more of them.
But it's a game that is focused on progression. It's one thing to offer such a thing for free for the sake of reliving the memory of what was (the private server). Yet it makes little sense to release something like this using corporate funds that would be frozen in time, meaning the whole point of the game is thrown out of the window.. That's why this seems to be driven by nostalgia. As the reasoning for it as well as demand for it, is only looking from a perspective of "I want it". Totally ignoring whether it's practical as a sound business strategy.
A business doesn't spend money, implement resources, create teams etc.. simply so people can relive a memory. There has to be some measure of ongoing success/profit for it to be worth the effort. What happens once people complete a themepark's content when there is still more in the pipeline? Most leave. Now what happens when there's nothing new coming? Yeah...
The real Straw man being thrown around here is what's being said in reply to the nostalgia angle, as most are missing the bigger most pertinent picture.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Now ofc it does not on a personal level. After all we still have people who prefer to drive a Model T Ford and listen to old hand-cranked record players. That is not to be argued.
But when you are a Acti/blizz sized company you can not care about the personal level... On a community level the people who argue for something out of nostalgia (rather than a actual desire like the people mentioned above) way outnumber the other group. These people leave once their nostalgia have been sated... A bit like going back and watching old TV shows.
So yes if we only look to the individual.. you are ofc right... you can find support for anything if you look deep enough. But as a community... the nostaliga "card" is much more than a "trick" to end argument... It is a fact.
This have been a good conversation
On a global level you need to look at how long some of these servers have been running - for years!
Project 1999 since 2009
The Rebirth since 2011
Vanilla Gaming since 2009
SWGEMU - 2010
Feenix - over a decade
Now that's not just nostalgia - that's is people playing the way they want to play.
Besides a WOW vanilla server owned and operated by Blizzard is not the same thing as any of those examples. People keep using eq's progressions servers as the example. Yet correct me if I'm wrong weren't those more about starting over with expacs being added gradually over time? I don't remember them as being set in stone to one precise build. (hence why they were dubbed progression servers)...
That's not what it seems people are asking for here, they're asking for a progression game to be locked into one time period and paid for and operated by a corporation. Why would they want to put resources into something that would only be viable for a rather short term?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Coming from the WOW community that is the worse group of vocal minority players. That is Laughable. You have LFR/LFD, garrisons, dailies and so on yet the subscription base is dwelling. You can say what you want that they have 5.4 Million subs yep that was what a year ago when they stopped reporting subs and right now there are dedicated WOW players that run Podcast that say the population is somewhere now around 3 to 4 million. Its dwelling because your community is a vocal minority where as people like me and my wife who hate what WOW has become dont have a sub. Well she subbed for a month to see who was still on and what the game is like now and cancelled it again. So that is 1 month subbed between 2 people since dec 2014. So while I am vocal about it she is silent on it we voted with our wallet as did many other people because the direction is a pile of shit.
So keep saying that on a community level yet you might have a few thousand forum goers on the WOW forums to vote down anyone who says remove LFR and LFD plus make old Vanilla WOW like instances. But while the subscription base wants that people like you and your forum goers dont so you have a dying game.
I can tell you that people in my guild, while initially empathetic to the Nost players (not the admins), are tired of the incessant spamming of the forums and every other WoW social media. Empathy is wearing thin these days. Sometimes quiet dignity after you've stated your piece is a better avenue one said.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You can take that to the bank. Its become a single player online game. Yes the largest base of player is the single player market yet trying to make money from this group is like getting blood from a stone. You are best to sell a game designed like NHL 16 to them. You have your single player mode offline, and you have a Mutliplayer version online if you want. MMORPG players want their MMORPGs to be like Vanilla WOW was, SWG was, FFXI was, EQ was, UO was not the way WOW is today.
Now if you want to argue that Legion show nix all the single player trash, remove LFD and LFR and make vanilla like Instances again, remove Normal, Hard and Mythic raids and make 2 different raids 1 being a flex Raid that and the other raid being a completely different raid but this one being a 20 man raid. Then we can talk
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You may be sick of Nost players, problem is it's not nost players, its players like me who do not like WOW in its current form who want it to be a MMORPG not a single player game like it is today.