Proof by inception depends on your observation process which can be limited due to selective perception. Proof of inception only works as intended with an objective approach and not a subjective one.
Right now in all honesty, and yes I am a critic, there isnt anything these guys have done that is even worthy of anything. They have proof of concept, thats about it. But they have had that for 3 years. They havent even advanced that enough (yet) to get into anything subjective. At least not to anyone with anything more than the barest minimum of expectations.
Proof by inception depends on your observation process which can be limited due to selective perception. Proof of inception only works as intended with an objective approach and not a subjective one.
its INSPECTION, not inception and its not subjective at all. If you LOOK at something and its there and it works (all the time) they way it is supposed to work then thats proof. If you look at something and it doesnt work or doesnt work enough to be called 'working' then that is also proof.
Like I said this game was thought up out of thin air to 'prove' something to prove that a game like the one he dreamed of and ranted about could in fact be made. Yet 4 or 5 years later and 110+ million dollars raised there has been absolutely zero 'new groundbreaking' development seem from this project. Those are facts (at least if you believe them on the amount of money they have raised). There is nothing subjective there are all. It is as simple as what you see is what you get.
The fact they are having this new secret aplha test could be (mis)construed as them having something groundbreaking they havent released yet. But that WOULD be subjective and speculation. See the difference?
Now if that comes out and its truly amazing THEN you pro guys can chirp back. If it is something that has already been done BUT at least works and advances the game it would and should also be grounds for celebration. But the hardest of hardcore critics will still criticize it. But peopel who actually want to play the game will at lest have SOMETHING to hang their hats on. So that secret thing will be a proof by inspection as well as a subjective interpretation. Because what you see will be what you get but the subjectivity of it will be based on the biases of the people associated with it. It will exist so it will pass that inspection. WHAT it delivers will be semi subjective.
Right now in all honesty, and yes I am a critic, there isnt anything these guys have done that is even worthy of anything. They have proof of concept, thats about it. But they have had that for 3 years. They havent even advanced that enough (yet) to get into anything subjective. At least not to anyone with anything more than the barest minimum of expectations.
In other words I dont think ANY honest person, pro or con can look at what what these guys have delivered, that people can see and experience for themselves and say "wow thats awesome''. I doubt they can even say (with honesty) well its pretty good. I think most of them look at it like a 10 year old girl on here 10th birthday who thought she was getting a pony that year(that she was promised when she was 7) only to see a nice new bike (and IMO subjective opinion SC isnt even a nice new bike) and says..."Really? Wheres my F-ing pony?+
Again, I think this is about managing expectations. Honestly, I think that how it is right now is that the 10 year-old girl is happy to get anything. It's everyone around her who is asking where her effing pony is, meaning that the people who are most upset seem to be those who aren't invested.
Again, this is the whole problem with any sort of early access. It also shows the state of society that there are people spending so much time trying to prove they're right in an argument in which they have zero financial interest and zero idea about how any of this, from software development to business, even works!
Proof by inception depends on your observation process which can be limited due to selective perception. Proof of inception only works as intended with an objective approach and not a subjective one.
its INSPECTION, not inception and its not subjective at all. If you LOOK at something and its there and it works (all the time) they way it is supposed to work then thats proof. If you look at something and it doesnt work or doesnt work enough to be called 'working' then that is also proof.
Inspection error already addressed in my previous post. What you see is not what you see but what you observation ability, your personality, your psychological profile, mindset, etc. wants you to see. That does not mean that it's not there.
An example: When two people enter a room they both see something different because they have a different perception. One of them might see that the woman on the left side plays with her hair while talking to the guy in front of her. The other one might not see that at all but sees his colleague talking to his boss. Both might not be aware of what he other one sees at all.
Also only because you do not think it works or is broken might not be true for the mechanic that repairs your car... because he is a mechanic and knows what he is doing and you are not.
Like I said this game was thought up out of thin air to 'prove' something to prove that a game like the one he dreamed of and ranted about could in fact be made. Yet 4 or 5 years later and 110+ million dollars raised there has been absolutely zero 'new groundbreaking' development seem from this project. Those are facts (at least if you believe them on the amount of money they have raised). There is nothing subjective there are all. It is as simple as what you see is what you get.
Everything is made out of thin air. Everything starts with a thought/notion/idea. Following your definition 100% of inventions could not have been made and we still would be in the Stone Age.
You do not believe in facts. You have proof for facts and hard evidence. Connecting dots that appear in your head does not build facts.
Zero groundbreaking stuff like physic grids, combining FPS, EVA and ship flight elements? Yes some things CIG has been done before but never has been connected onto one combined product.
The fact they are having this new secret aplha test could be (mis)construed as them having something groundbreaking they havent released yet. But that WOULD be subjective and speculation. See the difference?
What is so special about the pre PTU thing? What's wrong with that? Why do you interpret so much into it? What are you even trying to tell us with that passage?
Now if that comes out and its truly amazing THEN you pro guys can chirp back. If it is something that has already been done BUT at least works and advances the game it would and should also be grounds for celebration. But the hardest of hardcore critics will still criticize it. But peopel who actually want to play the game will at lest have SOMETHING to hang their hats on. So that secret thing will be a proof by inspection as well as a subjective interpretation. Because what you see will be what you get but the subjectivity of it will be based on the biases of the people associated with it. It will exist so it will pass that inspection. WHAT it delivers will be semi subjective.
You are writing in rage mode and do not think properly what you are writing there. Sorry I really don't get what the purpose of this is?
Right now in all honesty, and yes I am a critic, there isnt anything these guys have done that is even worthy of anything. They have proof of concept, thats about it. But they have had that for 3 years. They havent even advanced that enough (yet) to get into anything subjective. At least not to anyone with anything more than the barest minimum of expectations.
I thought it were 4 or even 5 years. You start to become inconsistent in your argumentation! What is. It worthy of anything? Tell that to the people who post Star Citizen videos all the time on YouTube and seem to have quite fun with it. What are you always talking about proof of "insert here"... no offense but it seems you read that somewhere without exactly knowing what it means.
In other words I dont think ANY honest person, pro or con can look at what what these guys have delivered, that people can see and experience for themselves and say "wow thats awesome''. I doubt they can even say (with honesty) well its pretty good. I think most of them look at it like a 10 year old girl on here 10th birthday who thought she was getting a pony that year(that she was promised when she was 7) only to see a nice new bike (and IMO subjective opinion SC isnt even a nice new bike) and says..."Really? Wheres my F-ing pony?+
It's generalization what you are doing here. Simple black and white painting. You put yourself above others because you think you see the whole thing and the others cannot. Do not do that. Talk with others on eye level. It's hard and even I fail on it sometimes but it's worth trying.
And saying your opinion is objective and at the same satying that SC isn't even a nice bike is somewhat correct. Because it isn't a bike but a erlking car. It somehow drives but we still don't know how it really looks and will feel in the end because it is still in development.
If I take my car to a mechanic/technician it gets fixed, and I can see that. If it doesnt I take it back or take it somewhere else. I know if it works or not you dont have ot be a mechanic or tech to know that.
As for stuff you claim is groundbreaking, I havent seen any of it yet. A few clipped videos and most of them are less than 30 seconds so forgive me if I dont believe the actually exist. Show me the whole process unedited.
A persistent game world universe is basically the foundation for any game. Without it there isnt a game. At least one that can be called an online game.
LOL rage mode funny how my rage mode is based on something where I was trying to give these clowns the benefit of the doubt in actually being able to deliver something and not being critical at all.
They didnt have anything relevant to actually show PROOF of concept until 2013. They TALKED about stuff a year or two before that.
If you think what you can log into now is anything spectacular then youre exactly the type of guy these guys want giving them money.
If this were a 'normal' developed game with NDAs and no piecemeal releases of the stuff we have seen and been 'super secret' and someone got a hold of this 'alpha' and released and said "this IS SC" The pros would laugh and say "no way is THAT SC" "That isnt anything but a generic piece of crap generated by the game engine". But BECAUSE they know it is all we know then their perspective is completely changed. In other words the more they know the more justification they are giving to borderline failure.
If people were shown this 'alpha' without knowing what it was half the guys who white knight this project would shit all over it, and they know they would. And THAT is the main reason you cant reason with them.
Now if they saw Elite Dangerous as it is right now and they were told THAT was SC, they would probably be disappointed but still be semi accepting of it.
Basically they will defend ANYTHING associated with this project if they KNOW it is associated with the project because that is how far down the denial rabbit hole most of you have descended.
If I take my car to a mechanic/technician it gets fixed, and I can see that. If it doesnt I take it back or take it somewhere else. I know if it works or not you dont have ot be a mechanic or tech to know that.
So you have some knowledge about car repairs which does not make you a car mechanic. But you missed the point of what I was trying to tell you. Once again: You might say "the car is broke and will not work again" and the mechanic looks at your car, does some work on it and viola... it works. Only because you thought it will not work does not make it so. An expert can do something you might think is impossible. That's god innovation works btw.
As for stuff you claim is groundbreaking, I havent seen any of it yet. A few clipped videos and most of them are less than 30 seconds so forgive me if I dont believe the actually exist. Show me the whole process unedited.
Youtube? Twitch? Your perception should allow you to see these things. Here is one example... The rest is yup to you to find.
A persistent game world universe is basically the foundation for any game. Without it there isnt a game. At least one that can be called an online game.
Congratulations... yes there is no complete game. And what education gives you the knowledge of how to create online worlds or universes? Who said that that during development persistence is the foundation. You know that the persistence is coming slowly to the alpha do you?
LOL rage mode funny how my rage mode is based on something where I was trying to give these clowns the benefit of the doubt in actually being able to deliver something and not being critical at all.
Hmkay... no rage mode but insulting equals rage mode. Using insults is an indicator of being in rage mode. Once again your wording makes it hard for me to understand what you meant by that.
They didnt have anything relevant to actually show PROOF of concept until 2013. They TALKED about stuff a year or two before that.
A year or two? You mean months... like 10/2012. What do you know about prototypes?
If you think what you can log into now is anything spectacular then youre exactly the type of guy these guys want giving them money.
What do you mean by that? Is that a general insult of all people who have fun with the alpha, tech demo or what you might want to call it? What is wrong in logging in and liking it? Once again... only because you do not like something does not mean other cannot,You know that people are different... It's called individualism.
If this were a 'normal' developed game with NDAs and no piecemeal releases of the stuff we have seen and been 'super secret' and someone got a hold of this 'alpha' and released and said "this IS SC" The pros would laugh and say "no way is THAT SC" "That isnt anything but a generic piece of crap generated by the game engine". But BECAUSE they know it is all we know then their perspective is completely changed. In other words the more they know the more justification they are giving to borderline failure.
Are you aware of what happened to Half Life 2 months before release? There was a hack and it showed an incomplete messy part of the game. But that was no proof that the game was in danger as could be seen once it was released. Furthermore... you have no knowledge about game development. You have no clue how games look months before release. Well you do not need to be game dev to know that but just a person who does proper research.
If people were shown this 'alpha' without knowing what it was half the guys who white knight this project would shit all over it, and they know they would. And THAT is the main reason you cant reason with them.
Now if they saw Elite Dangerous as it is right now and they were told THAT was SC, they would probably be disappointed but still be semi accepting of it.
Basically they will defend ANYTHING associated with this project if they KNOW it is associated with the project because that is how far down the denial rabbit hole most of you have descended.
Basically they will hate and deny anything associated with this project if they know it is associated with the project because that is how far down the denial rabbit hole most of you have descended. *fanfare*
2 weeks... well maybe 90 days... hmm ok let's say they won't survive 2016. Also E.L.E. is an ongoing event. I know things but my legal beagle told me to remove my sources and the hardcore evidence. Period. The end
2 weeks... well maybe 90 days... hmm ok let's say they won't survive 2016. Also E.L.E. is an ongoing event. I know things but my legal beagle told me to remove my sources and the hardcore evidence. Period. The end
Actually, it so happens that we're not even here so I don't know how any games or any forum posters can even exist.
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As for stuff you claim is groundbreaking, I havent seen any of it yet. A few clipped videos and most of them are less than 30 seconds so forgive me if I dont believe the actually exist. Show me the whole process unedited.
A persistent game world universe is basically the foundation for any game. Without it there isnt a game. At least one that can be called an online game.
LOL rage mode funny how my rage mode is based on something where I was trying to give these clowns the benefit of the doubt in actually being able to deliver something and not being critical at all.
They didnt have anything relevant to actually show PROOF of concept until 2013. They TALKED about stuff a year or two before that.
If you think what you can log into now is anything spectacular then youre exactly the type of guy these guys want giving them money.
If this were a 'normal' developed game with NDAs and no piecemeal releases of the stuff we have seen and been 'super secret' and someone got a hold of this 'alpha' and released and said "this IS SC" The pros would laugh and say "no way is THAT SC" "That isnt anything but a generic piece of crap generated by the game engine". But BECAUSE they know it is all we know then their perspective is completely changed. In other words the more they know the more justification they are giving to borderline failure.
If people were shown this 'alpha' without knowing what it was half the guys who white knight this project would shit all over it, and they know they would. And THAT is the main reason you cant reason with them.
Now if they saw Elite Dangerous as it is right now and they were told THAT was SC, they would probably be disappointed but still be semi accepting of it.
Basically they will defend ANYTHING associated with this project if they KNOW it is associated with the project because that is how far down the denial rabbit hole most of you have descended.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
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Actually, it so happens that we're not even here so I don't know how any games or any forum posters can even exist.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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