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Nobody in their right mind expects SC to be released already, the scope has grown considerably.
Naysayers should note, Wildstar took 9 years to make and millions of dollars and it's already going F2P.
They lost millions, but the naysayers wont to talk about it.
The reason is simple, Chris Roberts and CIG are not establishment and they don't have to cater to whiners and fools, which is really pissing off the current population of entitlement gamers.
And don't respond with a bunch of fluff give us something that makes sense.
The project shown on the KS has absolutely nothing to do with the project being developed now both in scope and complexity.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
Car dealership: http://www.carsonlinefree.com/sites/inventory.cfm?dealerID=3507
Same address used for his other businesses here: https://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Austin/christopher-roberts/30216003.aspx?showall=true
Besides working on the original Wing Commander games back in the early 90's with many other people helping, what are you referring to as this "great track record"?
CR is the mind behind the Wing Commander series. It was his vision driving the production of said games. Then we have Starlancer a solid story driven space combat sim and Freelancer, an excellent game played by many up to present day with a number of high quality mods.
Before Origin while studying in England he created Stryker's Run for the BBC micro and after forming Origin Systems he made Times of Lore. Both games pushed the boundaries in what was possible back then and received critical acclaim.
Plus i know exactly what the KS showed since i am an early backer pledging before the transition to CiG's webpage. I also pledged for some of the 68 (you read correct, 68) stretch goals, many of them containing several features, added in said page.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freelancer_(video_game)
So they raise £65 million to make the game....and the rest is their profit. What is wrong with that?
Take the 3507 in the link above, replace it with another similar number. Suddenly .... THOUSANDS of Car dealers ;-)
Thats an online website for car sales between Individuals. NOT owned by Chris Roberts. People privately offer their cars for sale, others can contact them.
Not even close.... And certainly no cigar....
Have fun
Really he helped found Origin Systems? That's odd because I don't see his name listed anywhere for founders of the company.
If you want to talk in this discussion then please don't post crap like that.
Where in my post do i even remotely say that CR founded or helped founding or whatever Origin Systems?
Read the list.
I have two views on it. First, if they were to open their books entirely it would be unprecedented. So do I really expect them to operate with full disclosure? No. On the other hand, they have raised over $100 million from fans, which is also unprecedented, so I'd love to see they books. BUT! And that's a big but. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that supports them NOT operating under full disclosure. There is plenty of evidence that shows that fans cannot handle truths about operating a company and spending money. If the fans, and by fans I mean people without any vested interest in the game who complain about it, were to have that sort of access, then every expenditure would need to be accompanied with a 3-page blog post explaining the reasoning behind it. Even that might not suffice.
That being said, we DO know that back in the fall of last year, someone requested information from the FTC regarding any sort of investigation into CIG under the Freedom of Information Act. The FTC had no related to any investigation. Therefore, there is obviously no wrong-doing that would even warrant an investigation, I suppose. Unless some US citizen requests a more recent update. See, THAT would be something productive.
That's ok, I'm just a computer nerd, and I'm a pacifist. Also, if you're a scientist, I don't want any of your genetically-engineered ice cream :P
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To be fair, you did say "...and after forming Origin Systems he made Times of Lore.", that defintiely sounds like he was a key member for the creation of the business.
An interesting video of 32 vs 64 bit
His first statements basically blow most of the things the pro SC camp still tries to claim.
HE basically over looks that they use ASPECTS of 64 bit not full blown 64 bit in every way they claim they were going to utilize it.
Its the perfect semantics argument and why it gets made over and over again. Even he uses semantics. But he is basically trying to make the math easier for people to understand and how it will effect 'stuff' once it actually gets implemented.
This video in no way shape or form proves anything about SC it actually reaffirms what many have said would happen with how SC explained their approach to it, by pointing out the negative issues it brings up.
What they've managed to accomplish Is very impressive to say the least. https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=132888
Here's a post that addressed some of the reasons as to why it's not all that it's cracked up to be.
"An atmospheric scattering effect isn't such a big deal nor the big challenge in doing PG planets. Pretty much every PG planet demo on youtube has it including all the small one man teams playing around with it from their "bedrooms". If anything atmospheric scattering can be used to hide and fade away terrain while being "shiny" and "earthlike" which seems to fool a lot of people into thinking "better". Same thing with the Inovae Engine.
Case in point.
With scattering in Outterra:
With scattering turned off:
Showing the planet "naked" and without that "shiny effect" is a much bigger challenge while also making it look good. Something that ED have accomplished. As soon as they start to add these kind of things on top of what they have peoples perception of the quality will go through the roof IMO. Hopefully this video from SC might actually speed up the process of getting there sooner in ED.
The "fidelity" in the Star Citizen demo was actually nowhere near what can currently be seen in ED in regards to the PG terrain. Especially in terms of believable large scale features. What was shown was some rather generic noise algorithms applied pretty evenly across the entire surface of the planet as a heightmap. If they would remove the atmosphere layer and show that planet in full sunlight it would basically look like this currently...
Now compare that to this in ED:
Which is why we are only shown the nightside of the planet from afar at the moment.
The fidelity in the custom made terrain around the base was higher of course, due to it being handmade, but all of the PG terrain around it was very simple compared to even many one man team efforts that have shown of videos on youtube. The terrain tech in SC will without question improve though and I look forward to seeing where it goes, but it's not like FD is gonna sit around on their hands doing nothing either.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=203785&page=96&p=3274872&viewfull=1#post3274872
Is there any other PG that they've showed off more recently?
the first video is IN ENGINE maybe even full blown CG so its garbage.
The second video is a 'seamless' landing has a couple edited sections, the most obvious ones start right when theyre in the 'landing' phase. Not to mention theyre landing inside a hanger not on the planet surface.
I could go all conspiracy theorist and say they made an instanced mod of the whole thing and that edited part and ending scene is just that something any game could do in an instance, to claim that as a 'seamless' planetary landing is beyond a joke and pretty much an outright lie.
And the third video is the same as the second, totally misrepresented as a 'livestream'. Them talking about it afterwards was live but the actual process was not and it was heavily edited just like the second one was.
Now they did shoot a 'live' section at the end but that too was edited where he says 'park myself right above this thing here' @ 12:12 he was in 1st person and then suddenly he is in 3rd person. Then another similar edit at the same point the other two had right before they actually touch down. Then they pan the camera out and when he gets out of the seat he is suddenly facing the back of the ship? Why wouldnt he get out of the seat still facing the forward windows and then turn and walk out of the ship?
I have commented on these videos before and I said the same things then. And while I am not using seamless the way they are trying to use it mine is definitely more relevant because these videos are most definitely not seamless.
These videos were shot about 6 months ago if they had all that then why isnt it in the game now or even scheduled to be put in the game? Even a small mod of it. They have the dogfighting mod which is obviously only a small portion of what they want you to be able to do. Why not slap a planet in there and let you land on it?
I swear people, speculate, contrive, fictionalize all kinds of crap but they NEVER have any proof to back it up !