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Will anyone stop North Korea before they nuke someone?
filmoret
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*UPDATE* http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-publicly-executes-two-officials-skorean-newspaper/ar-AAieKjB?li=BBnb7Kz
Now N Korea's leader is executing people who do not obey him within his government. This is definite sign that this guy needs to be taken out. How you think Hitler raised to power? He killed everyone that didn't obey him.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-claims-it’s-now-able-to-nuke-the-us-mainland/ar-BBw3UB9
Now they claim to have the ability to nuke N. America.
*This is the OP*
This is the second time I have heard of N Korea talking about how they need to strike at a nuclear level before someone hits them first. Their leader is paranoid and thinks someone is going to nuke his little country. I feel bad for S Korea, China since they are close enough to actually get hit by this lunatic. So naturally he keeps testing nuclear weapons and long range missiles. Why? So he can have a long range nuclear weapon. I don't think we can afford to just sit around waiting for this guy to attack someone before we stop him. I don't like war but when you got someone who leads an entire country thinking he needs to nuke someone before they nuke him. Well something needs to be done before its too late. This isn't some terrorist group we are dealing with an entire country 24 million people.
Now N Korea's leader is executing people who do not obey him within his government. This is definite sign that this guy needs to be taken out. How you think Hitler raised to power? He killed everyone that didn't obey him.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-claims-it’s-now-able-to-nuke-the-us-mainland/ar-BBw3UB9
Now they claim to have the ability to nuke N. America.
*This is the OP*
This is the second time I have heard of N Korea talking about how they need to strike at a nuclear level before someone hits them first. Their leader is paranoid and thinks someone is going to nuke his little country. I feel bad for S Korea, China since they are close enough to actually get hit by this lunatic. So naturally he keeps testing nuclear weapons and long range missiles. Why? So he can have a long range nuclear weapon. I don't think we can afford to just sit around waiting for this guy to attack someone before we stop him. I don't like war but when you got someone who leads an entire country thinking he needs to nuke someone before they nuke him. Well something needs to be done before its too late. This isn't some terrorist group we are dealing with an entire country 24 million people.
Are you onto something or just on something?
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When you want to show your people that you are in power, but are unwilling to actually care about or aid your own people who are poor and starving, what do you do? Threaten other people!
China is probably one of the most at-risk nations when it comes to NK. Anything stupid that NK does will directly affect them, being their next-door neighbor and all. They would have to be absolutely idiotic to encourage nuclear weapons use. That statement goes for every country in the world though.
I always feel that way, too. Those poor South Koreans just want to play video games and be left in peace, but they always have to know that they have a psychotic tyrant in their backyard.
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There's a reason all the major power players just play political mind-games with each other, rather than physically attacking one another directly(I say directly because proxy wars happen). No one would come away a true winner in such a conflict.
America has commited more war crimes (but never faces any consequences) than almost any nation on earth, right now they regularly use drone strikes and massacre thousands of civilians with zero consequences. They have more military bases in other nations than any other and took over from great britain as the dominant empire controlling the world after it faltered.
Any weaker and unprotected nation that dares defy America is invaded, reasons to do so are made up on the spot. When stronger nations annoy America (or dare copy their actions) they employ sanctions to financially cripple them, they then bully their "allies" to do the same.
America are the bullies, murderers and general bad guys of the world. If Russia did half the things America did we would be in WW3, to call North Korea bad guys when they have done almost nithing that even slightly compares to what America or its allies do is laughable.
America, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and many more are far more "evil", they just get a free pass to be so.
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I don't think many people consider the poor conditions in North Korea. Most of what makes N. Korea productive is given to them by China. As a country they don't have the means to develop weapons grade nuclear material or a delivery vehicle. They lack both the material production and human capital.
The conditions in North Korea is a combination of the realities of centrally planned economies and being engaged in a War against the US for more than half a century.
Far far too many people view the US as "evil" based on them meddling or not minding their own business but really what some people seem to lose sight of is evil prospers when good men do nothing.
There are far too many two bit dictators out there trying to con people into thinking the US are the bad guys, sad part is many people are stupid and believe it.
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So I said to her "What should we do?"
Her answer: "Well, lets stop bombing innocent civilians, its evil!"
I then point out what actually happens:
* Bombing is extremely accurate and most casualties are military
* The few civilians that die are obviously tragic, but in the grand scheme of things its very few (compared to all out war)
* If we stop bombing, the enemy wins and slaughters civilians in greater numbers
* If we invade, we're committing ourselves long term to a war, post-war cleanup etc
Basically, there is no "right" answer in these situations. In every single scenario, innocent people die. However, "the left" complains at everything. If we do nothing, we're bad people. If we bomb, we're bad people. If we invade, we're bad people. Yet, you ask them what we should be doing and they have no answer.
So, I take the view of "ignore the left, they're hypocritical idiots" and think we just need to go for the most logical approach. What is the most amount of good we can do for the least amount of damage? If invasion is the answer then lets stop dicking about and just do it. If sitting back and doing nothing is the answer then so be it.
Mass paranoia ,added security,sending military all over the world,spending trillions of dollars on military,yeah good job ..../not.
I think most forget how the USA was actually started,they fought among themselves and then attacked Canada as well with no just cause other than they hated the British monarch.
point being before we point fingers at other countries take a look at the so called JUST country of the USA.
Koreans of both N and South SHOULD feel paranoid and worry,they have been involved in large scale wars and funded by USA and Russia as well others,so LOTS of outside interference.
That is what bothers me a LOT,fix your own dam country and help the people you CLAIM to be supporting before trying to fix the rest of the world.
I wake up every morn and on the radio/news i hear of stabbings,people killed by cars,cops shooting people,guns, loads on angry people and violence within my own country of Canada and this is what happens EVERYWHERE in the world.Governments ,especially the USA like to feed propaganda and manipulate people into thinking THEIR country is so just while every other country is the BAD GUY.
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WW1, WW2, Korean war is what happens when USA minds their own business.
Just in case you didn't know. WW1 happened and USA got involved after the sinking of the Lucitania which was almost too late.
WW2 you had Hitler commiting genocide and Japan doing the same thing to the chinese so the USA finally got involved after they bombed Pearl Harbor and that was definately too late because millions of millions of people were already dead.
Since then USA has been actively involved with keeping world peace and we have yet to see another world war. So if USA retreats the way you think then get ready for Hitler to rise and take over wherever you are living then hope that they get attacked otherwise they will sit quietly and watch like they did in WW1-2
You take away the nuke posturing and NK is a joke next to the powerhouse that was the German military establishment. Hitler literally had everything in his hands. He was just too stupid to know how to use it.
Germany nearly conquered the world twice due to what a powerful military foundation they had. NK hasn't accomplished anything on its own. They can't even take care of their own people, let alone try and take over more territory.
Germany practically invented everything we know about modern warfare. Germany had some of the brilliant minds the world has ever seen. NK is practically a bunch of uneducated thugs standing on the side of the road yelling obscenities and threats at people driving past. They are living off the scraps China and/or Russia chose to drop from the table.
There isn't even a remotely realistic comparison between NK and Germany. It's like apple and dried-up-crumbling-leaf.
As to the US intervention, the simple truth is the USA has always wanted to remain a neutral country. If the German leadership would have had any strategic capability in either war, the USA wouldn't have been able to stop them taking over Europe either way.
The simple fact is, Germany defeated itself in both world wars moreso than the allies did due to bad leadership and a laughable strategic command. Hitler, for one example, was one of the worst strategists of all time. He couldn't even understand the most basic rules of warfare. He single-handedly cost Germany their victory, imho. He's the perfect example of why you should have separated military and government.
People failing to assassinate Hitler is probably the single greatest gift the Allies received during WW2.
You ever hear that phrase about "two fronts"? The Germans in both wars were led by politicians who couldn't grasp that and were fighting on multiple fronts.
The Germans had it all: troop strength, military technology, air superiority, advantage of surprise, inept opponents on the western front with not very good leadership. Yet, they couldn't pull it off because of how ignorant their leadership was(this is what you get with tyrant dictators).
NK has: none of the above; and even worse leadership.
You think every government in the world is just ignoring some type of major threat? The world leadership is well aware of NK and where it stands.
The best strategy is to let him boast and threaten and feel big about himself. If China/USA/other were to respond with some type of force and actually attack him, all it would do is back him into a corner.
You don't want to corner wild animals, it makes them unpredictable. If he were under siege and desperate, then he very well could start trying to launch nukes as a last desperate measure.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-says-us-sanctions-on-leader-a-declaration-of-war/ar-BBu4dkg?li=BBnb7Kz
North and South Korea are still at war. There has just been a cease fire for the last 63 years. It could be said that as the primary participant in the United Nations task force defending South Korea in the early '50s that the U.S.A. and North Korea have been at war for the past 63 years.
In my opinion South Korea and most of the rest of the world is satisfied to sit back and wait for the North Korean leadership to collapse on it's own. How many of the North Korean citizens survive that is something else.
Other than actually invading South Korea, the only thing North Korea can do against the U.S. is tell all the other nations on the playground that the U.S. is a dooky head.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-issues-stern-warning-over-us-missiles-in-skorea/ar-BBu5xrd?li=BBnb7Kz
But they'd lose, and lose catastrophically - probably within a couple of weeks, the North would cease to exist as any kind of a coherent state, and you could drop that timeframe to a couple of hours if they decided to launch one of their (weak, but still dangerous) non-hydrogen bombs. The chances of the Chinese intervening on their behalf in any kind of a war the North started are also about zero - my guess is, Beijing would ask for some kind of territorial concessions along their border once allied troops pulled up, but even if they got involved, they'd lose, too. China is playing "small ball" in the S. China Sea right now with those man-made islands - hoping that in any kind of a confrontation they can cause the U.S. enough collateral damage (carriers sunk via ship-killing missiles) to end things early.
Problem is, that's essentially the same risk-gambit that the Japanese were toying with before Pearl Harbor. It's nice that the Chinese are developing carrier-killer missiles, but their navy is an international disgrace, and they lack and means to project power beyond a small arsenal of nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, the United States possesses the greatest submarine force the world has ever known, and a handful of SSNs and SLBMs - paired up with our anti-missile defense network in development - could literally sink the entire PLAN and destroy the Chinese mainland by their lonesome. We wouldn't need carriers to win a war with China - the nation would be a smoking ruin before they even came into play.
It's entirely possible that in any real shooting war, the Chinese would suffer apocalyptic casualty rates in the hundreds of millions without ever even landing a warhead on American soil - and that possibility only grows as we hone our ABM tech. With each passing year, Beijing's ambitions only grow more far-fetched. Oh, and did I mention that they haven't fought a major war since the 1950s? Meanwhile, the U.S. has been embroiled in conflict for almost two decades. We're ready - they aren't.
I don't fear either the North Koreans or the Chinese. I do worry for Japan, because I love them dearly, and would hate to see Tokyo or Osaka or whathaveyou get obliterated by some madman's cheap shot. But the chances of the North ever being able to actually threaten the U.S. mainland are about zero.
Nk has the capability to damage allied nations, any conflict there brought about by aggressive US action would lead to serious issues in terms of stability. Attacking someone like Saddam is one thing, attacking a nation so close to world powers is something else entirely.
This isn't a simple matter of taking out a loud mouth braggart. Actions there have far reaching consequence.
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