Wealth acquisition is the backbone of any MMORPG. Nothing is possible without it. When money is made too easy to acquire, it renders the very foundation of a game totally irrelevant.
Is it, really? I could, if I wanted, get back to top raiding in WoW, dropping the hardest bosses of the game, all this while being quite poor compared to the auction house farmers. Ok, you gonna say, "LOL WOW!!!". Let's go back 20 years, to Ultima Online. One could indeed become powerful with gold, buying his way to power... or one could craft his way to power without ever being rich. Same thing in BDO.
The key word here is "AFK."
And one can actually acquire "more" funds more effectively if one doesn't use the afk options.
How on earth do you come to that conclusion ?
A player that earns currency "optimally" while actually playing, and then supplements that by AFK fishing 24/7 while not actually playing, will ALWAYS earn more than a player that does not use the AFK option.
The AFK option is highly effective if used in addition to normal gameplay, not as a replacement of normal game play.
Wealth acquisition is the backbone of any MMORPG. Nothing is possible without it. When money is made too easy to acquire, it renders the very foundation of a game totally irrelevant.
Is it, really? I could, if I wanted, get back to top raiding in WoW, dropping the hardest bosses of the game, all this while being quite poor compared to the auction house farmers. Ok, you gonna say, "LOL WOW!!!". Let's go back 20 years, to Ultima Online. One could indeed become powerful with gold, buying his way to power... or one could craft his way to power without ever being rich. Same thing in BDO.
Were any of those activities done while AFK?
Big difference between funds being easy to acquire but still having to play to acquire them, and funds being easily acquired via AFK activities. While funds may be easy to acquire in some games, they normally require effort by the player and the necessity for that player to be somewhat accomplished in the game before reaching that "easy to acquire" level.
The key word here is "AFK."
They do offline progression in EvE for years now. The only thing I'm not a big fan of in BDO is that you have to be logged on, which makes some people overuse their computer.
Why would your character suddenly stop everything they do just because you log off, when all the other logged in players keep on progressing? Is it a persistent world, or not?
AFK activities can be done better than in BDO, e.g. by not requiring to be logged in for stuff like workers, but I don't have a problem with it per se. It's actually logical for me in a persistent, permanent virtual world.
I agree with the worker part in as much as this is a system unique to BDO as far as crafting is concerned. There should be no reason to stop the progress of an entity other than yourself, from progressing in this persistent world, simply because you log off. These are separate entities from yourself, and should be acting independently of oneself. The actions that you take, however, should be IMHO actively pursued and accomplished. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of playing a game if the game plays you when you aren't even logged on? All that said, this is my opinion and game play preference based on my style of play. It is perfectly understood that others my have different preferences based on their style of play and what they find fun. I enjoy the challenge of earning everything I acquire in a game. Others may feel differently.
Wealth acquisition is the backbone of any MMORPG. Nothing is possible without it. When money is made too easy to acquire, it renders the very foundation of a game totally irrelevant.
Is it, really? I could, if I wanted, get back to top raiding in WoW, dropping the hardest bosses of the game, all this while being quite poor compared to the auction house farmers. Ok, you gonna say, "LOL WOW!!!". Let's go back 20 years, to Ultima Online. One could indeed become powerful with gold, buying his way to power... or one could craft his way to power without ever being rich. Same thing in BDO.
The key word here is "AFK."
And one can actually acquire "more" funds more effectively if one doesn't use the afk options.
I don't think anyone has said otherwise. That does not minimize the irrelevancy of any one player's capabilty to attain mass amounts of wealth by engaging in "AFK" activities, thereby effectively rendering the efforts of those who do not largely irrelevant. Now, this is not to say that a player can not put their blinders on and play the game as if they were playing a single player game and not be affected by it, but the reality is that it's an MMO, not a single player game.
Well, I like the idea that my character "continues" in the world when I'm not playing it. There is a certain sense of immersion coming back from work and knowing that my character has bettered itself albeit in a small way.
As far as "putting blinders on" that's your tune, not mine. There are people who keep saying this is a "single player game" and yet I find myself being more social and doing more grouping than in other games.
Clearly the game is not for everyone.
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AFK anything in an MMO is absolutely ridiculous. Play the game for gods sake. I don t want to hear it s only a couple things, the fact theres even 1 is enough IMO.
Wealth acquisition is the backbone of any MMORPG. Nothing is possible without it. When money is made too easy to acquire, it renders the very foundation of a game totally irrelevant.
Is it, really? I could, if I wanted, get back to top raiding in WoW, dropping the hardest bosses of the game, all this while being quite poor compared to the auction house farmers. Ok, you gonna say, "LOL WOW!!!". Let's go back 20 years, to Ultima Online. One could indeed become powerful with gold, buying his way to power... or one could craft his way to power without ever being rich. Same thing in BDO.
The key word here is "AFK."
And one can actually acquire "more" funds more effectively if one doesn't use the afk options.
I don't think anyone has said otherwise. That does not minimize the irrelevancy of any one player's capabilty to attain mass amounts of wealth by engaging in "AFK" activities, thereby effectively rendering the efforts of those who do not largely irrelevant. Now, this is not to say that a player can not put their blinders on and play the game as if they were playing a single player game and not be affected by it, but the reality is that it's an MMO, not a single player game.
Clearly the game is not for everyone.
I think it's pretty obvious by my history regarding BDO that I like the game. I don't like everything about the game. IMHO, the game could be vastly improved by the over-hauling of some features. Doing away with the game's "AFK" features would be one of those.
Wealth acquisition is the backbone of any MMORPG. Nothing is possible without it. When money is made too easy to acquire, it renders the very foundation of a game totally irrelevant.
Is it, really? I could, if I wanted, get back to top raiding in WoW, dropping the hardest bosses of the game, all this while being quite poor compared to the auction house farmers. Ok, you gonna say, "LOL WOW!!!". Let's go back 20 years, to Ultima Online. One could indeed become powerful with gold, buying his way to power... or one could craft his way to power without ever being rich. Same thing in BDO.
The key word here is "AFK."
And one can actually acquire "more" funds more effectively if one doesn't use the afk options.
I don't think anyone has said otherwise. That does not minimize the irrelevancy of any one player's capabilty to attain mass amounts of wealth by engaging in "AFK" activities, thereby effectively rendering the efforts of those who do not largely irrelevant. Now, this is not to say that a player can not put their blinders on and play the game as if they were playing a single player game and not be affected by it, but the reality is that it's an MMO, not a single player game.
Clearly the game is not for everyone.
I think it's pretty obvious by my history regarding BDO that I like the game. I don't like everything about the game. IMHO, the game could be vastly improved by the over-hauling of some features. Doing away with the game's "AFK" features would be one of those.
comment wasn't aimed at you. Was just an observation.
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I think it's pretty obvious by my history regarding BDO that I like the game. I don't like everything about the game. IMHO, the game could be vastly improved by the over-hauling of some features. Doing away with the game's "AFK" features would be one of those.
comment wasn't aimed at you. Was just an observation.
I understand, and although it is not my claim to speak for others, I think my response applies to others as well. Just because a player disagrees with any one particular feature in a game does not mean that the game is not for them. Sometimes some of us may be critical of a feature in a game because we want the game to succeed and would like to see it improved. There is a difference between constructive and negative criticism. A lot can be achieved by the proper and civil use of the former.
I don't like that there is cheating but there is nothing else out there like it. If there was any other remotely ok option I would say no...but there are only a bunch of linear quest hub themeparks, spreadsheets in space and horsebleep Archeage.
Edit: I love AFK activities in the game. Just another option for character building while busy around the house. More options = good.
Wealth acquisition is the backbone of any MMORPG. Nothing is possible without it. When money is made too easy to acquire, it renders the very foundation of a game totally irrelevant.
Is it, really? I could, if I wanted, get back to top raiding in WoW, dropping the hardest bosses of the game, all this while being quite poor compared to the auction house farmers. Ok, you gonna say, "LOL WOW!!!". Let's go back 20 years, to Ultima Online. One could indeed become powerful with gold, buying his way to power... or one could craft his way to power without ever being rich. Same thing in BDO.
The key word here is "AFK."
And one can actually acquire "more" funds more effectively if one doesn't use the afk options.
How on earth do you come to that conclusion ?
A player that earns currency "optimally" while actually playing, and then supplements that by AFK fishing 24/7 while not actually playing, will ALWAYS earn more than a player that does not use the AFK option.
The AFK option is highly effective if used in addition to normal gameplay, not as a replacement of normal game play.
I'll rephrase. if one were to just afk fish as opposed to playing that time "fishing" then one will catch more fish in the same time period.
afk fishing pulls a fish something like every 3 minutes. One can get a bite much sooner but it won't "fish it" until 3 minutes has gone by.
Whereas if one is at the keyboard you can actively fish every time you get a bit which will be several times in that 3 minute time period.
edit: also I'm not talking about people who completely don't afk fish. Just comparing afk fishing with "at the keyboard fishing".
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As much as I think BD Devs are 99% to blame for this shortsightedness it's also not a deal breaker IMO. You can switch channels if you run accross hackers. For myself this is just one reason to wait to buy this game and for me, the list is not super long but all things important to me. So back to SWToR for me.
As much as I think BD DevSpeak are 99% to blame for this shortsightedness it's also not a deal breaker IMO. You can switch channels if you run accross hackers. For myself this is just one reason to wait to buy this game and for me, the list is not super long but all things important to me. So back to SWToR for me.
I waited for a discount but couldn't resist this event that is about to end.
I will still play as long as I can log on and have fun. Some of my best times playing Lineage 2 was when we beat people or clans we knew were cheaters.
Would love to see a middle option. I neither refuse to play, nor will I continue to play despite a slaughter or three. Cheaters do effect me (and other players) in some way, and the continuation of cheating will ultimately effect the game. At some point, my own enjoyment takes a backseat to what the game itself morphs into, and IMO, the community is already borderline for a game I'd play long term.
In essence, I don't care. I always planned on leaving the game. For the future health of the game, I hope they figure it out.
Would love to see a middle option. I neither refuse to play, nor will I continue to play despite a slaughter or three. Cheaters do effect me (and other players) in some way, and the continuation of cheating will ultimately effect the game. At some point, my own enjoyment takes a backseat to what the game itself morphs into, and IMO, the community is already borderline for a game I'd play long term.
In essence, I don't care. I always planned on leaving the game. For the future health of the game, I hope they figure it out.
Never considered a 3rd option as I figured people would either play it or not play it. I have no idea what other option there could be. I didn't add a funny or joking 3rd or 4th option because I actually wanted to see the real numbers... Yes or No...
I've been lvl50 for like a couple of weeks now, haven't been killed once. I'm only doing quests and life stuff in the game. I don't care about the PVP part of the game. So, so far this hasn't affected me in any way. But if it destroys the PVE part of the game, I'll quit.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself
I stopped playing prior to the hacks becoming well-known. Due to a security flaw in Daum Games account recovery protocols. I'm not going into details, as that's against forum rules. But myself, a friend, and a couple guildies had their credit card information stolen all within a week. I got curious, because I generally don't save my CC information online. Sure enough, Daum Games was the only place I could find where it had been saved. Same with some of the others who had their CC's stolen. I then had a friend who is experienced with such things due to working in IT security. And there's a way (or was) to attain access to other players accounts by accident through Daum Games. Worst yet, the CC information was not encoded and was freely available through this process. He was able to retrieve thirty accounts per attempt....think how many that could be if you automated it? Seems that those who did this left the account itself alone, and just took the CC information. Since I hadn't heard anyone saying they lost access to their account.
A production company that half-assed localization, has serious account security gaps, developers make it client-side player tracking for health/mana/cooldowns that can be hacked. Yeah, no thank you.
Would love to see a middle option. I neither refuse to play, nor will I continue to play despite a slaughter or three. Cheaters do effect me (and other players) in some way, and the continuation of cheating will ultimately effect the game. At some point, my own enjoyment takes a backseat to what the game itself morphs into, and IMO, the community is already borderline for a game I'd play long term.
In essence, I don't care. I always planned on leaving the game. For the future health of the game, I hope they figure it out.
Never considered a 3rd option as I figured people would either play it or not play it. I have no idea what other option there could be. I didn't add a funny or joking 3rd or 4th option because I actually wanted to see the real numbers... Yes or No...
Being a b2p game, some examples of other options in the gray are:
I will not play as much because of cheating Or Cheating does not impact my decision to stop playing
Would love to see a middle option. I neither refuse to play, nor will I continue to play despite a slaughter or three. Cheaters do effect me (and other players) in some way, and the continuation of cheating will ultimately effect the game. At some point, my own enjoyment takes a backseat to what the game itself morphs into, and IMO, the community is already borderline for a game I'd play long term.
In essence, I don't care. I always planned on leaving the game. For the future health of the game, I hope they figure it out.
Never considered a 3rd option as I figured people would either play it or not play it. I have no idea what other option there could be. I didn't add a funny or joking 3rd or 4th option because I actually wanted to see the real numbers... Yes or No...
Being a b2p game, some examples of other options in the gray are:
I will not play as much because of cheating Or Cheating does not impact my decision to stop playing
Will not play as much is still playing the game and Cheating does not impact my decision to stop playing has nothing to do with the poll question...
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A player that earns currency "optimally" while actually playing, and then supplements that by AFK fishing 24/7 while not actually playing, will ALWAYS earn more than a player that does not use the AFK option.
The AFK option is highly effective if used in addition to normal gameplay, not as a replacement of normal game play.
I agree with the worker part in as much as this is a system unique to BDO as far as crafting is concerned. There should be no reason to stop the progress of an entity other than yourself, from progressing in this persistent world, simply because you log off. These are separate entities from yourself, and should be acting independently of oneself. The actions that you take, however, should be IMHO actively pursued and accomplished. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of playing a game if the game plays you when you aren't even logged on? All that said, this is my opinion and game play preference based on my style of play. It is perfectly understood that others my have different preferences based on their style of play and what they find fun. I enjoy the challenge of earning everything I acquire in a game. Others may feel differently.
As far as "putting blinders on" that's your tune, not mine. There are people who keep saying this is a "single player game" and yet I find myself being more social and doing more grouping than in other games.
Clearly the game is not for everyone.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I think it's pretty obvious by my history regarding BDO that I like the game. I don't like everything about the game. IMHO, the game could be vastly improved by the over-hauling of some features. Doing away with the game's "AFK" features would be one of those.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I understand, and although it is not my claim to speak for others, I think my response applies to others as well. Just because a player disagrees with any one particular feature in a game does not mean that the game is not for them. Sometimes some of us may be critical of a feature in a game because we want the game to succeed and would like to see it improved. There is a difference between constructive and negative criticism. A lot can be achieved by the proper and civil use of the former.
Edit: I love AFK activities in the game. Just another option for character building while busy around the house. More options = good.
afk fishing pulls a fish something like every 3 minutes. One can get a bite much sooner but it won't "fish it" until 3 minutes has gone by.
Whereas if one is at the keyboard you can actively fish every time you get a bit which will be several times in that 3 minute time period.
edit: also I'm not talking about people who completely don't afk fish. Just comparing afk fishing with "at the keyboard fishing".
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You get a free pet afterall.
Would love to see a middle option. I neither refuse to play, nor will I continue to play despite a slaughter or three. Cheaters do effect me (and other players) in some way, and the continuation of cheating will ultimately effect the game. At some point, my own enjoyment takes a backseat to what the game itself morphs into, and IMO, the community is already borderline for a game I'd play long term.
In essence, I don't care. I always planned on leaving the game. For the future health of the game, I hope they figure it out.
- Earl Nightingale
A production company that half-assed localization, has serious account security gaps, developers make it client-side player tracking for health/mana/cooldowns that can be hacked. Yeah, no thank you.
I will not play as much because of cheating
Or
Cheating does not impact my decision to stop playing