What PVE sandpark/sandbox MMO was a user on here talking about?

TheScavenger

Someone on BDO forums told me to play a PvE MMO if I don't want to PvP.

Except, I can't find any sandpark/sandbox PvE mmos that aren't ancient or dead?

Ryzom - Dead, barely gets any updates. It at least still looks good
SWG - This WAS the best one, and there is a server, but its so old...
Asheron's Call - I loved this one, but its older than even SWG
Anarchy Online - Again, its so old
Ultima Online - As old as the internet itself

So out of those, only Ryzom looks good graphics wise. Except its so dead, and never updates except one or two times a year.

Can't find any modern, up to date PvE sandbox/sandpark MMOs though. Dunno what the person was talking about, but am I missing a NEW PvE sandbox/sandpark MMO that I'm not aware of?

NO THEMEPARK MMOS, thanks

Thanks for the help everyone I might just be out of touch with new PvE sandbox/sandpark MMOs. Ones without forced PvP (pvp optional is fine).

Kyleran

It doesn't currently exist.  There are a couple of indie /KS titles that might show promise, around 2018 or 19 perhaps.

TheScavenger

Oh. I was told to play a PvE MMO since I wasn't having fun with PvP in BDO because of all the hacking lol.

2018 and 2019 is kinda a long time for something that has a good chance of not being finished.

Was the guy just trolling me then? Or did he mean for me to play one of those boring themepark PvE MMOS

I've been waiting for a new, up to date PvE sandpark/sandbox for ages lol. BDO has awesome PvE, but the PvP kinda ruins it for me. It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't run into a group of hackers that I had no chance of killing. If I could do just PvE in BDO, that be perfect and I wouldn't care if hackers just cheated in pve, because at least it doesn't really affect me as much.

filmoret

For some reason sandbox and ffa pvp means the same thing.

Darkcrystal

filmoret said:

For some reason sandbox and ffa pvp means the same thing.

Lol  no it don't  People throw names around, and have no clue what they mean, I have a degree and been in this industry 15 years drives me nuts when people throw these words around call games like Call of Duty a MMO....  It's match making... or other games Open World...Open World Sandbox does not mean PVP....  Skyrim, is considered  Open World..     

Axehilt

Why MMO?

There are several great non-MMO sandbox experiences, from the most literal sandbox (Minecraft) to a-little-less-sandbox games like Don't Starve Together and ARK (assuming there are non-laggy servers for ARK; the official servers had cripplingly bad server performance issues when I tried it, even though the gameplay seemed solid.) Some of them do border a little on tedious, and there's lots of room for improving that, but there are a lot of good ones out there.

The difference in concurrent players between an MMO and non-MMO sandbox just doesn't make any meaningful difference in how these games are experienced.  If you have 10 players grouped up doing things together, you've basically hit the peak and there's diminishing returns to the value that more players adds beyond that.  

filmoret

Darkcrystal said:

filmoret said:

For some reason sandbox and ffa pvp means the same thing.

Lol  no it don't  People throw names around, and have no clue what they mean, I have a degree and been in this industry 15 years drives me nuts when people throw these words around call games like Call of Duty a MMO....  It's match making... or other games Open World...Open World Sandbox does not mean PVP....  Skyrim, is considered  Open World..     

Sandbox is suppose to give players freedom to do anything.  Which includes stealing or attacking anyone anywhere.  It should also include an environment which can be molded by the players.  Which is why sandbox mmo's don't work because you can't have everyone running around molding a world without limits.  You will build a house and really enjoy it because of sandbox I can come around and burn that house down.  Obviously you can see why this becomes a problem giving players freedom.    That is why sandbox and ffa pvp is always mingled together.  I'm not saying it should but it always does.  Look at all the sandbox online games in steam right now and they all include ffa pvp.

Dullahan

You might enjoy Project Gorgon. Haven't played it myself personally because I've been biding my time while they get more of the game finished and polished. Its currently in open test phase and very playable. I've heard nothing but good things outside of the fact that development is slow going.

Akulas

Sandbox is find a mountain, level it or build one and put your house on any unclaimed land. But then what isn't sandbox is other players being unable to touch that stuff without proper permission from the land owner. So, that is what towers and detectives can counter.

Quizzical

You could try Uncharted Waters Online.  It's not strictly PVE, as much of the oceans are free for all PVP, but there are such harsh penalties for piracy that you'll rarely get attacked by other players.  I think I got defeated in PVP three times total in about two years of playing the game, and all three were because I was careless.

UWO is about as sandbox as it gets.  Exploration and trading are each as important to the game as combat.  It originally launched in Japan in 2005, and has been steadily updated ever since.  They don't deprecate content like most MMORPGs do when they release expansions and raise the level cap, so the game has enormous amounts of content by now.

Do be warned that it's a weird game that is totally different from anything you've ever played, so there's a long learning curve to figure out how the game works.

MMOExposed

Axehilt said:

Why MMO?

There are several great non-MMO sandbox experiences, from the most literal sandbox (Minecraft) to a-little-less-sandbox games like Don't Starve Together and ARK (assuming there are non-laggy servers for ARK; the official servers had cripplingly bad server performance issues when I tried it, even though the gameplay seemed solid.) Some of them do border a little on tedious, and there's lots of room for improving that, but there are a lot of good ones out there.

The difference in concurrent players between an MMO and non-MMO sandbox just doesn't make any meaningful difference in how these games are experienced.  If you have 10 players grouped up doing things together, you've basically hit the peak and there's diminishing returns to the value that more players adds beyond that.  

People like the experience of playing with others. That doenst mean it has to be killing others, but working together. Hence why Raiding (pve) is so popular.  

filmoret

Never listen to the suggestion of random forum user who is probably nothing but some 40 year old living in his mom's garage.

Pednick

Pantheon is coming out I think in 2016 sometime and that's what I'm waiting for since it has "old school classes" which I prefer, now I'm just wasting time in Tera, which is alright, but is "anime" however you spell it, which I'm not a fan, like not at all.

Mardukk

I would have said the repopulation but that is on hold.  Survival games all suck to the poster that told op to play those.  Character building is important to some people.

I finally started playing ffa pvp sandbox type games as I was so tired of linear quest hub themeparks.  I was killed a lot but had some intense fun sneaking around (played darkfall uw).  No reason to worry about open world pvp if there is no risk vs reward as 99% of the open world pvp mmos are.  Get killed go to spawn point and jog back while the attacker receives nothing but negatives consequenses.  

Gestankfaust

Not Pantheon....not yet.

BDO is good PVE for me...but the "experts" will turn you off of it. Fun for me for days now without PvP.

VengeSunsoar

Istaria

Sharess

FWIW Ultima Online was a MASSIVE PVP game. 

Antiquated

filmoret said:

For some reason sandbox and ffa pvp means the same thing.

The Darkfall Effect will fade if we're patient.

I notice that many modern sandbox fans even spell and punctuate properly.

Bloodaxes

Sadly there's none and that is why I'm playing BDO for the time being. It's the closest there is, and there's karma for pking which might dissuade some people from random pking.

I hate it when people suggest you to go play a single player game. It's not the same thing.

JDis25

This post struck me as OP's entitlement that BDO should change their ways and make a PvE Server or something stupid like that. Make your own PvE sandbox.

If the OP is serious about finding a PvE sandbox, there is ARK which has PvE Servers and is a true sandbox for all other intents and purposes. H1Z1 has PvE servers I think. Minecraft. Even Trove is sandboxy. 

filmoret

JDis25 said:

This post struck me as OP's entitlement that BDO should change their ways and make a PvE Server or something stupid like that. Make your own PvE sandbox.

If the OP is serious about finding a PvE sandbox, there is ARK which has PvE Servers and is a true sandbox for all other intents and purposes. H1Z1 has PvE servers I think. Minecraft. Even Trove is sandboxy. 

Lets be real here.  There is no reason they shouldn't offer pve servers.  They can make more money from it without losing anything.

Axehilt

MMOExposed said:

Axehilt said:

Why MMO?

There are several great non-MMO sandbox experiences, from the most literal sandbox (Minecraft) to a-little-less-sandbox games like Don't Starve Together and ARK (assuming there are non-laggy servers for ARK; the official servers had cripplingly bad server performance issues when I tried it, even though the gameplay seemed solid.) Some of them do border a little on tedious, and there's lots of room for improving that, but there are a lot of good ones out there.

The difference in concurrent players between an MMO and non-MMO sandbox just doesn't make any meaningful difference in how these games are experienced.  If you have 10 players grouped up doing things together, you've basically hit the peak and there's diminishing returns to the value that more players adds beyond that.  

People like the experience of playing with others. That doenst mean it has to be killing others, but working together. Hence why Raiding (pve) is so popular.  

Are you under some mistaken belief that MMO stands for "multiplayer"?  It doesn't.

It stands for "massively multiplayer online."

Every example I gave was a multiplayer game where you played with others, so your response makes absolutely no sense.

Phaserlight

Maybe try Ascent: The Space Game?

It just formally left Early Access last month, which is a pretty important milestone to me.  The last time I tried it was a couple years ago on a Chrome browser, and the experience was pretty rough.

However, it is what you might call a "PvE sandbox".

filmoret

Play Ark Survival on the pve server

bcbully

filmoret said:

For some reason sandbox and ffa pvp means the same thing.

Well sandbox implies freedom. Having a huge/hard "you can not..." above your head kinda ruins the whole freedom thing...

Dragonsfire9

Does Ark have less exploits and  hacking than H1Z1 then?  H1Z1 is a good start except for all the glitchers.