won't be touching AMD if their cards are energy hogs.
Would you say the same thing 5 years ago, when it was Fermi vs. Cypress? I'd say it's less about which is an "energy hog" and more to do with price vs performance.
Sure, all other things equal, you'd want a card to use less energy. But I wouldn't advise paying a lot of extra money just to get a "more efficient card" - especially if it's lower performing - no matter what color the sticker on the card is.
won't be touching AMD if their cards are energy hogs.
Would you say the same thing 5 years ago, when it was Fermi vs. Cypress? I'd say it's less about which is an "energy hog" and more to do with price vs performance.
Sure, all other things equal, you'd want a card to use less energy. But I wouldn't advise paying a lot of extra money just to get a "more efficient card" - especially if it's lower performing - no matter what color the sticker on the card is.
I agree with the caveat of, "in desktops". As you know, energy usage can sometimes be a much bigger deal in laptops, mobile, embedded, and HPC.
Those that are attending AMDs event in Macau had to sign NDA that lifts on 29th June, so i would say thats pretty clear timeframe . And Computex is near.
Those that are attending AMDs event in Macau had to sign NDA that lifts on 29th June, so i would say thats pretty clear timeframe . And Computex is near.
Between Bristol Ridge, Polaris 10, and Polaris 11, AMD has three completely different chips that are expected to launch soon. June 29 could easily be any of the three, and it's very unlikely that AMD will launch them all on the same day. Indeed, vendors commonly spread out the launch of different bins of the same chip a little just to get media attention multiple times.
AMD Polaris Tech Day with Radeon group really has very little to do with Bristol Ridge.
Read the picture you posted on post #25 of this thread:
"During this event, AMD executives and special guests will introduce new, comprehensive details on many of the 2016 products, including the official launch of the 7th Generation AMD A-series APU."
Polaris isn't an APU. A desktop APU with Steamroller cores and DDR4 isn't really that interesting, even if the platform will eventually get Zen CPUs. But it is explicitly mentioned in the invitation.
"According to our information, some european stores already received
their stock, and they are ready to sell Polaris 10-based graphics cards.
In China a company called Dataland (Chinese PowerColor brand), was
already selling places on reservation lists."
"According to our information, some european stores already received
their stock, and they are ready to sell Polaris 10-based graphics cards.
In China a company called Dataland (Chinese PowerColor brand), was
already selling places on reservation lists."
This wouldn't surprise me in the least. They are just using vanilla GDDR5, and the Polaris chip isn't nearly as large or complicated as the GP104, so more chips per wafer and likely better yields on top of that.
While it's not nearly as fast as a 1080 or 1070, it will amuse me if 480 actually pulls off a "Widely available" release before either of those cards, which "released" weeks before, are able to finally catch their inventory up.
"According to our information, some european stores already received
their stock, and they are ready to sell Polaris 10-based graphics cards.
In China a company called Dataland (Chinese PowerColor brand), was
already selling places on reservation lists."
This wouldn't surprise me in the least. They are just using vanilla GDDR5, and the Polaris chip isn't nearly as large or complicated as the GP104, so more chips per wafer and likely better yields on top of that.
While it's not nearly as fast as a 1080 or 1070, it will amuse me if 480 actually pulls off a "Widely available" release before either of those cards, which "released" weeks before, are able to finally catch their inventory up.
One important factor there is that there's far more demand for $200 cards than for $400 cards, and far more for $400 cards than for $700 cards. So it's very possible that three times as many RX-480s get shipped as GTX 1080s, and the former still sells out in some time frame while the latter doesn't.
There will surely be more than one bin of Polaris 10. I'm curious whether the RX-480 is the top bin or not. I've seen speculation that it's a salvage part and there will later be the full chip available with GDDR5X, but I wouldn't lend too much credibility to that. But surely AMD didn't intend to sell their top Polaris cards for only $200. There may not be much of a market for $700 cards, but there sure is one for $300 cards.
From the very start 6 month ago theyve been saying they set out to build a chip that would bring VR for the masses. 390/970 which were entry GPUs were at 300$ then. So this is exactly what they said they would do. 199$ is also the price for 4GB model. Custom 8GB will be 249-259$ presumably.
1. this chip is supposed to be in new PS and XBox. Economics of scale. AMD intends to sell tens of millions of these chips. NVidia with 1070/1080? maybe million or two? were talking scale anywhere from of 20-60:1
2. AMD is also on a hunt for marketshare. they want to price it aggresively...and they did (read 1.). By NVidias own statistics 80% of NVidia users have GPU worse than PS4 (and i would say we can extend that to "PC users"). Thats 7850/370 level. AMD now offers tremedous upgrade for 199$ (and cheaper cards based on cut P10 and even cheaper super power efficient based on P11)
They could have priced it higher and still be much better in performance/price category than NVidia. By prices NVidia set, 1060 that is around 480 performance level would cost 250+$.
"(Update) Yes, it is. Arrives next week to test the new Radeon (2x), we test with the end of the month, we do not have to wait .."
"NDA gets up to 29.06, but it does not bother us - we did not sign any,
not even the manufacturer who sends cards no sign did not, therefore,
does not oblige us nothing. Next week will arrive two cards in
CrossFire, which will test the taste immediately as they come. If
everything goes according to plan, the test will be sometime between
20-24.6. Interesting news is that some Czech business cards they already
have in stock next week and will just wait for the official start of
sale, if somewhere you have known, you can take home a new Radeon should
be as early as next weekend"
but i see one problem with their plan: where will they get the drivers
also another sign that retailers already have the card in stock ready to sell.
They updated the drivers a week or two ago. They said it increases performance in so and so game, but it could also be rudimentary drivers for the RX 480. I think the reason why AMD wants to keep reviewers to the NDA is so that the reviews and cards hit retail at the same time. If people had a week or two before there was availability, it could pose an issue with future products.
The question is whether they have 2 of each in stock, or 2000 of each. We'll know a lot more in four days. Remember that the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 had a lot of different SKUs, too, but only a few of each.
See, why can't nVidia just post some pictures like that?
If @Seanmcad can walk into any random Best Buy, and come out with a shot like that of anything nVidia 10x0, podunk city or big city, I don't care, in the next few days, I'd officially declare him the winner of the internet.
I would wait a bit on availability statistics for Newegg. They sometimes release a product information page early showing a product available at MSRP, but it actually is not purchasable soon after. They are all the 8 gig versions so $40 price premium
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Sure, all other things equal, you'd want a card to use less energy. But I wouldn't advise paying a lot of extra money just to get a "more efficient card" - especially if it's lower performing - no matter what color the sticker on the card is.
http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-polaris-tech-day-nda-ends-on-june-29th
"During this event, AMD executives and special guests will introduce new, comprehensive details on many of the 2016 products, including the official launch of the 7th Generation AMD A-series APU."
Polaris isn't an APU. A desktop APU with Steamroller cores and DDR4 isn't really that interesting, even if the platform will eventually get Zen CPUs. But it is explicitly mentioned in the invitation.
http://videocardz.com/60686/watch-amd-computex-polaris-update-live-stream-here
http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-msrp-199/
.....interesting, really wonder if true
"According to our information, some european stores already received their stock, and they are ready to sell Polaris 10-based graphics cards. In China a company called Dataland (Chinese PowerColor brand), was already selling places on reservation lists."
While it's not nearly as fast as a 1080 or 1070, it will amuse me if 480 actually pulls off a "Widely available" release before either of those cards, which "released" weeks before, are able to finally catch their inventory up.
There will surely be more than one bin of Polaris 10. I'm curious whether the RX-480 is the top bin or not. I've seen speculation that it's a salvage part and there will later be the full chip available with GDDR5X, but I wouldn't lend too much credibility to that. But surely AMD didn't intend to sell their top Polaris cards for only $200. There may not be much of a market for $700 cards, but there sure is one for $300 cards.
1. this chip is supposed to be in new PS and XBox. Economics of scale. AMD intends to sell tens of millions of these chips. NVidia with 1070/1080? maybe million or two? were talking scale anywhere from of 20-60:1
2. AMD is also on a hunt for marketshare. they want to price it aggresively...and they did (read 1.). By NVidias own statistics 80% of NVidia users have GPU worse than PS4 (and i would say we can extend that to "PC users"). Thats 7850/370 level. AMD now offers tremedous upgrade for 199$ (and cheaper cards based on cut P10 and even cheaper super power efficient based on P11)
They could have priced it higher and still be much better in performance/price category than NVidia. By prices NVidia set, 1060 that is around 480 performance level would cost 250+$.
"(Update) Yes, it is. Arrives next week to test the new Radeon (2x), we test with the end of the month, we do not have to wait .."
"NDA gets up to 29.06, but it does not bother us - we did not sign any, not even the manufacturer who sends cards no sign did not, therefore, does not oblige us nothing. Next week will arrive two cards in CrossFire, which will test the taste immediately as they come. If everything goes according to plan, the test will be sometime between 20-24.6. Interesting news is that some Czech business cards they already have in stock next week and will just wait for the official start of sale, if somewhere you have known, you can take home a new Radeon should be as early as next weekend"
but i see one problem with their plan: where will they get the drivers
also another sign that retailers already have the card in stock ready to sell.
I think the reason why AMD wants to keep reviewers to the NDA is so that the reviews and cards hit retail at the same time. If people had a week or two before there was availability, it could pose an issue with future products.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601203818&Tpk=AMD RX480&ignorear=1
https://www.amazon.fr/Sapphire-21260-00-20G-Carte-Graphique-Expess/dp/B01H01E4CQ/ref=sr_1_26?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1467139306&sr=1-26
and for availability
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601203818 4017
If @Seanmcad can walk into any random Best Buy, and come out with a shot like that of anything nVidia 10x0, podunk city or big city, I don't care, in the next few days, I'd officially declare him the winner of the internet.