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Best card for 300$ !?

ZzadZzad Member UncommonPosts: 1,401
Hey guys!
I´m an avid gamer but i feel totaly lost with the new generation of graphic cards!

I´m currently playing with a GTX 560Ti  and I am planing on upgrading my card!
My budget is arond 300$ what is the best option right now???
I´m running a Intel Core i5-2500k @ 3.30GHz + 8GB of RAM

THANKS SO MUCH in advance for your comments!!!
I REALLY NEED THEM!!! :)
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    I had to buy a GTX970 over a month ago for $300 because somehow at that time the R9 390 (which is the one i wanted) got bumped in price to almost $400 everywhere (Newegg, amazon, etc) so it was a no brainer for me. Now im checking again and both are at similar prices again (between $300 and $340).

    If you cant/dont want to wait for deals then for $300 those are your options. I wish i had waited and got the R9 390, but i dont regret my purchase.

    The pros on this topic will enlighten you with more information, im just specific to the price you named and how i spent the same amount.




  • ZzadZzad Member UncommonPosts: 1,401
    edited May 2016
    I am more into Nvidia cards.... The GTX970 seems like a good deal!
    Is the R9 390 even better? I can expend 300-400$
    Thanks for your answer rojoArcueid !
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited May 2016
    Zzad said:
    I am more into Nvidia cards.... I can expend 300-400$
    Thanks for your answer rojoArueid!
    welcome. If you are willing to go up to $400 you may also want to consider the GTX 1070 which is supossedly coming at $380

    http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11712936/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-slower-cheaper-1080

    EDIT: but again, more knowledgeable people will surely comment.




  • ZzadZzad Member UncommonPosts: 1,401
    Zzad said:
    I am more into Nvidia cards.... I can expend 300-400$
    Thanks for your answer rojoArueid!
    welcome. If you are willing to go up to $400 you may also want to consider the GTX 1070 which is supossedly coming at $380

    http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11712936/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-slower-cheaper-1080

    EDIT: but again, more knowledgeable people will surely comment.
    Do you think an Intel Core i5-2500k @ 3.30GHz + 8GB of RAM can fit with that card?

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    Zzad said:
    Zzad said:
    I am more into Nvidia cards.... I can expend 300-400$
    Thanks for your answer rojoArueid!
    welcome. If you are willing to go up to $400 you may also want to consider the GTX 1070 which is supossedly coming at $380

    http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11712936/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-slower-cheaper-1080

    EDIT: but again, more knowledgeable people will surely comment.
    Do you think an Intel Core i5-2500k @ 3.30GHz + 8GB of RAM can fit with that card?

    I honestly have no clue since the card is not out yet. Will have to wait and see.




  • ZzadZzad Member UncommonPosts: 1,401
    edited May 2016
    Thanks for your tip! I´ll have an eye on that GTX 1070!!! (y)
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    A Radeon R9 390 is a little better card than a GeForce GTX 970, but not a lot better.  At the same price, I'd go with the R9 390.  But if it's a $50 difference, get the cheaper card.  At current prices on New Egg, one could reasonably go either way:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127841
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150729

    If you regard rebates as "free", I'd go with the GTX 970 at those prices, but barely.

    The GeForce GTX 1070 should launch in June at $449 for the early cards, with some later cards eventually costing $379.  It's not clear if "eventually" means days later, weeks later, or months later.  It should be quite a bit better than either the R9 390 or the GTX 970.

    Meanwhile, Polaris 10 (perhaps Radeon R9 480X?) should probably also be better than either the R9 390 or the GTX 970 and supposedly will cost $300.  It might launch in a week or two.  Or it might not; we don't really know.  If it has a hard launch at $300 in the next couple of weeks, then that's probably what you want.  I'm guessing that it will be a little slower than the GTX 1070, but not a lot slower, and it will be a lot cheaper.  But it also might be a month or two away, so a lot depends on how soon you need a card.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    DMKano said:
    Wait for the next gen AMD (Polaris) and Nvidia (Pascal - gtx 1070) to launch even if you are not planning to get them it will drop the price of older cards.
    Agree.

    Your post however says "right now".

    The card you have - GTX 560 Ti - is a decent card. 

    Remember the performance gain you get - on existing architecture - tails off; you spend more and more to get smaller and smaller gains. And your upgrade options are simply iterations of your current card.

    Whereas AMD and NVidia's new cards are built on a new architecture. With big performance gains.

    So - if waiting is not an option - perhaps consider a "cheap" upgrade today. You mentioned NVidia so maybe go for a GTX 950 (under $150 and falling) or maybe even a 730 (sub $70).

    And then when the new cards are readily upgrade again. Getting a card that today costs way more than $300 for no more money - even allowing for the interim upgrade.

    Just a thought. As DMKano says prices are already starting to fall and historically they plummet when new architecture cards become readily available.




     
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    edited May 2016
    Zzad said:
    Hey guys!
    I´m an avid gamer but i feel totaly lost with the new generation of graphic cards!

    I´m currently playing with a GTX 560Ti  and I am planing on upgrading my card!
    My budget is arond 300$ what is the best option right now???
    I´m running a Intel Core i5-2500k @ 3.30GHz + 8GB of RAM

    THANKS SO MUCH in advance for your comments!!!
    I REALLY NEED THEM!!! :)
    Anything that is Nvidia really, Don't go with AMD cards because I had a Sapphire Card fail after 1 year of use, yet I have Two X 7800 GT cards since 2005 when they came out rather, and they have been running for over 10 years still working....

    Goes to show which cards are better Nvidia for sure...

    Also FPS in open GL games is much better with nividia as far as specs you really need to do the checking yourself of what you want, but Anything that is nvidia is generally a lot better than AMD.

    Eve my XFX Card, I paid $300 for it is sitting in a box packaged up because it couldn't preform the way it should have, yet my Nvidia I got for $250 750TI card Does purrrfect.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    gervaise1 said:
    DMKano said:
    Wait for the next gen AMD (Polaris) and Nvidia (Pascal - gtx 1070) to launch even if you are not planning to get them it will drop the price of older cards.
    Agree.

    Your post however says "right now".

    The card you have - GTX 560 Ti - is a decent card. 

    Remember the performance gain you get - on existing architecture - tails off; you spend more and more to get smaller and smaller gains. And your upgrade options are simply iterations of your current card.

    Whereas AMD and NVidia's new cards are built on a new architecture. With big performance gains.

    So - if waiting is not an option - perhaps consider a "cheap" upgrade today. You mentioned NVidia so maybe go for a GTX 950 (under $150 and falling) or maybe even a 730 (sub $70).

    And then when the new cards are readily upgrade again. Getting a card that today costs way more than $300 for no more money - even allowing for the interim upgrade.

    Just a thought. As DMKano says prices are already starting to fall and historically they plummet when new architecture cards become readily available.




     
    Perhaps you missed the 5 in GTX 560 Ti.  That's a 5+ year old Fermi card, two architectures before the current--or three if you count Pascal as "current".

    A GeForce GT 730 is a clear downgrade from what he already has, and a GTX 950 isn't that big of an upgrade.  He wants a faster card, not just a newer one.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Renoaku said:
    Zzad said:
    Hey guys!
    I´m an avid gamer but i feel totaly lost with the new generation of graphic cards!

    I´m currently playing with a GTX 560Ti  and I am planing on upgrading my card!
    My budget is arond 300$ what is the best option right now???
    I´m running a Intel Core i5-2500k @ 3.30GHz + 8GB of RAM

    THANKS SO MUCH in advance for your comments!!!
    I REALLY NEED THEM!!! :)
    Anything that is Nvidia really, Don't go with AMD cards because I had a Sapphire Card fail after 1 year of use, yet I have Two X 7800 GT cards since 2005 when they came out rather, and they have been running for over 16 years still working....

    Goes to show which cards are better Nvidia for sure...

    Also FPS in open GL games is much better with nividia as far as specs you really need to do the checking yourself of what you want, but Anything that is nvidia is generally a lot better than AMD.

    Eve my XFX Card, I paid $300 for it is sitting in a box packaged up because it couldn't preform the way it should have, yet my Nvidia I got for $250 750TI card Does purrrfect.
    There's so much wrong with this post.

    If you bought cards in 2005, and you've had them for 16 years, it would need to be 2021 by now.

    Why would you still run ancient cards when you claim to have newer ones?

    The GeForce GTX 750 Ti was $150 at launch and has come down from there, so if you paid $250, you did something wrong.

    XFX has sold a whole lot of Nvidia cards, and used to actually be exclusively Nvidia.

    There aren't that many games that use OpenGL, but both AMD and Nvidia handle them fine.

    A newer, higher end card from either major GPU vendor is a lot better than an older, lower end card from the other, and it's absurd to argue otherwise.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    I usually go to www.tomshardware.com and look at their monthly video card comparisons.  Once I find the cards they recommend for the price point, I go check prices.  Usually www.newegg.com has the best, but not always.

    Toms does some pretty extensive testing on video cards, and they are not afraid to call a card a waste of money, or to declare it the best deal in the universe.  However, the site is run by humans (they err), so make sure you read buyer reviews for each product you are considering.

    I could rip off a lot of tech stuff, but honestly, it can be very confusing, and as you read stuff keep in mind that there are a lot of fan boys on both sides.  Take the time to get yourself educated on these cards so you feel confident in your choice.  I'm not saying go to college, I'm just saying see what sites like Tom's hardware have to say, and if you are confused about terms they use, do a google search to find what they mean.

    I am currently running an AMD video card, a Radeon HD 7870 and I am very happy with it.  It may be 4 years old, but it runs ESO on max graphics, and it ran BDO on max graphics without a problem.  I did the same research I am suggesting to you when I bought it, and found it would do everything I wanted, and I got it on a great sale for $220. 

    Until I am ready to get some VR stuff, I will probably still be using this video card.


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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    Yeah not 16 years but you get the idea Nvidia lasts 10 years at least, and Western Digital is better than Sea Gate considering my old rigs still got 300 GB Maxtor Drivers which was bought out by Western Digital, and they are still running purchased in 2005/2006 as well...

    The only decent thing AMD seems to make is CPU's for some reason, But I think AMD Cards could be halfway decent too if they would hire better developers and totally Re-Write the catalyst software which is part of the main problems with AMD Cards constant Install Failed, and all kinds of errors just installing them and when it finally installs Open GL issues where Nvidia doesn't have these.

    Other than that 

    Intel < seems to be best for SSD
    Graphics / Video Cards < Nvidia
    CPU < Intel, but AMD ones seems to work okay as far as not burning out I have yet to blow one yet.
    Western Digital For Hard Drives < Not Sea Gate

    I had two Sea Gate drives purchased 10 years ago both failed after less than 24 hours actual use just used to back-up data and they wouldn't even answer as of to why?
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited May 2016
    Wait for the new generation of cards. There will be NVidia Pascal and AMD Polaris cards soon. NVidia 1070 will be in 400$ range, AMD 480/480x will be in <300$ range. Look at the benchmarks of both and then decide. Both should be out in a month or so.

    Even if you dont like new cards, prices of old ones will probably drop and youll be able to get GTX970 or R9 390 cheaper (R9 390 being better card if they cost roughly the same (and will age MUCH better) due to 8GB memory/better DX12/Freesync). But waiting for few weeks (since you obviously buy for long term) will get you much more value.
    Post edited by Malabooga on
  • Doug_BDoug_B Member UncommonPosts: 153
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited May 2016
    Renoaku said:
    Yeah not 16 years but you get the idea Nvidia lasts 10 years at least, and Western Digital is better than Sea Gate considering my old rigs still got 300 GB Maxtor Drivers which was bought out by Western Digital, and they are still running purchased in 2005/2006 as well...

    The only decent thing AMD seems to make is CPU's for some reason, But I think AMD Cards could be halfway decent too if they would hire better developers and totally Re-Write the catalyst software which is part of the main problems with AMD Cards constant Install Failed, and all kinds of errors just installing them and when it finally installs Open GL issues where Nvidia doesn't have these.

    Other than that 

    Intel < seems to be best for SSD
    Graphics / Video Cards < Nvidia
    CPU < Intel, but AMD ones seems to work okay as far as not burning out I have yet to blow one yet.
    Western Digital For Hard Drives < Not Sea Gate

    I had two Sea Gate drives purchased 10 years ago both failed after less than 24 hours actual use just used to back-up data and they wouldn't even answer as of to why?
    I still have 9800pro that works, its now about 13 years old. AIBs make GPUs and if card fails its AIBs fault as chips themselves almost never fail (they are eithr good or bad from the start). AND gues what - same AIBs make both AMD and NVidia cards (MSI/Asus/Gigabyte... .... ...)

    Theres no catalyst any more and AMD has been much better than NVidia in driver departement in last 6+ months. NVIdias DX12 driver is just....very bad. And just one tidbit of informantion - NVidia cut DX12 support from Fermi even if they said it would be supported.

    Seagate has marginally larger failure rate than WD. You getting bad Seagate is just bad luck as statisically youre just as likely to get bad WD. And guess what - Maxtor was much worse than both. Thats the problem with statistics and personal experience. Like cars and airplanes - airplanes are immensly safer than cars. But airplanes go down too and if you had bad experience with airplane it doesnt make the fact that airplanes are still immensly safer invalid.

    Intel is definitely not the best for SSDs, especially if you know they brick SSD as soon as first critical error appears even if SSD can run for years after that without much trouble (SSD itself just removes that bit from use and you can use that SSD for non critical data)
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  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Doug_B said:
    Holy Schmow!  That is a great price for a really fast card!  Just get one though, that card will be a big step up, and save the other $200 for a future upgrade.  There are not many cards faster than the 380X right now, and it is fast enough to run an Occulus Rift setup.

    If I have enough in the bank, I am ordering one tomorrow.


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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Doug_B said:
    No, no, no.  Don't get two cards in CrossFire/SLI unless you're getting high end cards and one isn't enough.  Multi-GPU scaling just isn't reliable enough.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Renoaku said:
    Congratulations.  I think you've just managed to outdo Gdemami's "artificially cripple your memory so that you can upgrade it later" advice.

    Your link only shows GeForce GTX 960s.  But you're set the price range to $200-$300, which is more than a GTX 960 should cost.  So you've excluded all of the GTX 960s that are a good value, or even a not that bad value, and only show the stupidly overpriced ones.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    GladDog said:
    Doug_B said:
    Holy Schmow!  That is a great price for a really fast card!  Just get one though, that card will be a big step up, and save the other $200 for a future upgrade.  There are not many cards faster than the 380X right now, and it is fast enough to run an Occulus Rift setup.

    If I have enough in the bank, I am ordering one tomorrow.
    I wouldn't.  It's faster than what you have now, but not faster by enough to justify an upgrade.  If you're going to upgrade, I generally recommend that you at least double your performance.  Going from 20 compute units to 32 and barely increasing memory bandwidth at all doesn't get you there.
  • TofkeTofke Member UncommonPosts: 342
    edited May 2016
    Wait, even with the founder editions prices will drop and are dropping on the 970/390's.
    If you can: go with the new architecture. They are just around the corner, it is worth it to wait. Even if it turns out to be two months of waiting. 
  • ZzadZzad Member UncommonPosts: 1,401
    Thanks so much for all the replys!  :)
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