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apperently asia stopped making PC MMOs altogether
exile01
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and focusing on mobile games only.
Now theres only eu/na left. And they were always behind in terms of trends. And thers not much coming from our side for the next few years compared to what we were used to.
Now theres only eu/na left. And they were always behind in terms of trends. And thers not much coming from our side for the next few years compared to what we were used to.
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Most companies making the games for mobile platforms are new companies, NC soft, Namco Bandai, PWE and the rest still makes PC games.
Many of those games wont come here though, particularly Japanese MMOs seems to often not bother with translating to english.
Things are worse in EU/NA, in Japan, China and south Korea there are still larger companies making MMOs, in the west does it seems like all MMOs are either crowdfunded or made by small indie companies with a small budget.
A few publishers who used to pay for mmorpg titles to be made or at least signed publishing deals after the fact have abandoned the mmorpg market and moved to the much more profitable mobile one but that's not everyone.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
The whole concept of CF rewards game development and not game release. The longer it takes to develop, (assuming the "crowd" continues to "fund") the more money the game makes. Conversely, once the game releases, the developers have already made the money. They owe the product to people who no longer owe them money for it. So there is no more revenue. So the profits stop once the game is released. And no one sees how broken this system is and why it will NEVER produce an MMORPG.
Elite:Dangerous was partly crowdfunded, and has released and is still running AND pumping out new content. Well, it has to pump out new content, because the game's financial survival is entirely dependant on selling expansions constantly.
Crowdfunding will produce a few great games, even though most of the projects will be trash or never launch.
Just as AAA studios will produce a few great games, even though most of them will be generic and meh...
The problem is that many people have convinced themselves that ONLY indie devs can EVER produce a great game. That's just as delusional as trying to claim that all AAA games are rubbish.
One thing to remember is that it is the talent of the devs that really matters, great devs can make a good game with aa limited budget (Eve and Guildwars are 2 good examples of that) but crappy devs can never make anything good no matter how much money you pour on them. It doesn't help when a suit that doesn't game makes the dcisions either.
In a perfect world do you have both great devs and a good budget without too much influence by none gaming investors but that have been rare.
We only need a small handful of indie titles to be reasonably successful to provide more real choice in terms of design than we've seen in the past 10 years.
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It's not an MMORPG and from what I hear it's a pretty shallow experience. I mean it's great their is at least an example of a partially crowd funded game out there. But What i am seeing now doesn't look like it will work.
The way I see it working is to get initial funding to gain the attention of real backers. But that's not what I am seeing in any of these. They just want to raise the whole thing with CF money.
As I pointed out in a previous thread. A successful MMORPG is very expensive. I seriously doubt one can be produced short of a mid 8 figure cost if not 9....minimum. And most of these CF games are promising EVERYTHING EVERYONE wants with only a fraction of that money. What's more is most of these guys probably need to be managed. They have creativity and vision but lack leadership and discipline.
There is also Albion Online (in pre-release). However, from what I have seen AO is more 3/4 3D, like a HD Ultima Online.
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I'm not sure why you would say that game design on mobile precludes "deep complexity".
Complexity can take many forms. The depth in learning to dodge an incoming flare pattern holds just as much (if not more) complexity than learning an optimal skill rotation in WoW. PvP tactics in the game I play are highly evolved and very complex.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
But MMORPG games are still going to come out. They still have giant followings for LAN centers in Korea, and a lot of people go there specifically to play MMORPG's with friends or just alone. There is a lot less focus on solely developing MMO games but they still have games coming out. It's a strange time to be in, since even giants like Konami are going mobile mainly (and pachinko) due to crazy investment to profit ratio. It's just a bit sad since I would love to play more triple A mmo's out of Asia and the US but it just isn't nearly as profitable anymore.
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ah not that .....