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Final Decision Made - Game to Be F2P

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imageFinal Decision Made - Game to Be F2P

InselGames has sent out a short-and-sweet note to let players know that the final decision on the monetization model for Trinium Wars has been made. The game will be transitioning to the free to play model in the near future. The decision came as a result of what the team felt were too many players holding out on the "buy to play" model, instead preferring to wait until the game adopted a F2P model.

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  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,089
    i gave up on this one after the fist 5min. didnt see anyone aroumd either. forum was full of flamers.
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    It's that bad, eh?
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  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    Is the team really sure players were holding out for F2P, or holding out for a better game?

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

  • APThugAPThug Member RarePosts: 543
    I was kinda curious about this game when it popped up on steam. Might try it out now

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Deivos said:
    Is the team really sure players were holding out for F2P, or holding out for a better game?
    I doubt that, lol, but they're probably fervently hoping that's the case ! :D 

    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?

    Guess they'll have to beef-up the Cash Shop and get those RNG lockboxes rolling...
  • IkedaIkeda Member RarePosts: 2,751
    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?

    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    edited May 2016
    People holding out for F2P are not the ones spending any money though. They dabble half-assed until they hit the pay wall and hop to another game within a week.

    I'm only interested in what devs are going to do for the rest of the people that stay longer than a week.
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  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    Deivos said:
    Is the team really sure players were holding out for F2P, or holding out for a better game?
    I doubt that, lol, but they're probably fervently hoping that's the case ! :D 

    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?

    Guess they'll have to beef-up the Cash Shop and get those RNG lockboxes rolling...
    The "If it were free" crowd is kind of a problem developed from the consumers as well as the developers/publishers.

    If they can't make a better title, then the solution will inevitably be to use whatever model can maximize profit in spite of quality.

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Ikeda said:
    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?

    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)
    The irony of your comments is that F2P allows games to extend their life by many years so devs that want to eat tend to go for it.
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Deivos said:
    Deivos said:
    Is the team really sure players were holding out for F2P, or holding out for a better game?
    I doubt that, lol, but they're probably fervently hoping that's the case ! :D 

    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?

    Guess they'll have to beef-up the Cash Shop and get those RNG lockboxes rolling...
    The "If it were free" crowd is kind of a problem developed from the consumers as well as the developers/publishers.

    If they can't make a better title, then the solution will inevitably be to use whatever model can maximize profit in spite of quality.
    Are you saying that these game companies can avoid all of this by simply making a better, quality game? 
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  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    NorseGod said:
    Deivos said:
    Deivos said:
    Is the team really sure players were holding out for F2P, or holding out for a better game?
    I doubt that, lol, but they're probably fervently hoping that's the case ! :D 

    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?

    Guess they'll have to beef-up the Cash Shop and get those RNG lockboxes rolling...
    The "If it were free" crowd is kind of a problem developed from the consumers as well as the developers/publishers.

    If they can't make a better title, then the solution will inevitably be to use whatever model can maximize profit in spite of quality.
    Are you saying that these game companies can avoid all of this by simply making a better, quality game? 
    In theory, yes.

    Reality as it is, a good game with no publicity can fail just as handily as a mediocre game with rampant publicity can dominate.

    "Making a better game" should be the goal in general, and for many they may very think that is the endeavor. Problem is the method used and the logic used to define "good" gets easily skewed in the pursuit of maximizing certain factors like profit. The ideal scenario is that producing a better game will net better results, but if you build a game that incentivizes enough people to give you their money then the core game quality becomes sidelined.

    And it is also very simply hard to make a good design and implement it. There are many ideas that sound great and many that work in theory, but ultimately fail because of poor implementation, support, no meshing of game elements, or no motivating factors to  drive players to explore the content.

    The solution that is much easier to act on is analytics and changing the business model.

    "The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin

  • brihtwulfbrihtwulf Member UncommonPosts: 975
    I hadn't even heard about this game, to be honest.  I've mostly put on blinders when it comes to the flood of Asian MMO's coming into the Western market.  They're just so alike, almost entirely focused on grinding, and usually complete nonsense stories (if any at all).  I can't think of the last Asian MMO I played that I felt had anything innovative or interesting.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,803
    I've never heard of this game before.
    Is that a sign of bad marketing or bad quality?...
    Harbinger of Fools
  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,483
    edited May 2016
    Dakeru said:
    I've never heard of this game before.
    Is that a sign of bad marketing or bad quality?...
    about to post the same...A game I have never heard of deciding to go f2p, oh well, nothing lost

    edit: I will say the intro video looks pretty cool, til I read on the side its a MOBA.
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Dakeru said:
    I've never heard of this game before.
    Is that a sign of bad marketing or bad quality?...
    Going F2P was the answer to your question.
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  • RazeeksterRazeekster Member UncommonPosts: 2,591
    edited May 2016

    Ikeda said:


    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?



    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)



    Your ignorance on Bernie's policies is showing. Nothing he has offered would be free. All would be paid through taxes, but in the end it would be cheaper for people vs. the current ridiculous cost of colleges and healthcare.

    Smile

  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654

    Ikeda said:


    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?



    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)



    Your ignorance on Bernie's policies is showing. Nothing he has offered would be free. All would be paid through taxes, but in the end it would be cheaper for people vs. the current ridiculous cost of colleges and healthcare.
    According to 2009 numbers, 43% of the people living in this country, don't pay taxes. So, I think he made a valid point and so did you by elaborating.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/43-of-americans-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-2013-9

    I think his point is, why should I have to pay higher amounts for cash shop items to support freeloaders? For me, it's a huge turn off. I do my best to pay the least amount of taxes, to deny deadbeats. This carries over into gaming as well.

    No working man likes a needy deadbeat.
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  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    NorseGod said:

    Ikeda said:


    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?



    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)



    Your ignorance on Bernie's policies is showing. Nothing he has offered would be free. All would be paid through taxes, but in the end it would be cheaper for people vs. the current ridiculous cost of colleges and healthcare.
    According to 2009 numbers, 43% of the people living in this country, don't pay taxes. So, I think he made a valid point and so did you by elaborating.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/43-of-americans-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-2013-9

    I think his point is, why should I have to pay higher amounts for cash shop items to support freeloaders? For me, it's a huge turn off. I do my best to pay the least amount of taxes, to deny deadbeats. This carries over into gaming as well.

    No working man likes a needy deadbeat.
    The additional amount you have to pay is trivial though.  Free players generally don't have access to customer service so the only cost they add is load on the server.  You might as well be complaining about how the cost of making addition virtual items runs up the cash shop prices.
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    reeereee said:
    NorseGod said:

    Ikeda said:


    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?



    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)



    Your ignorance on Bernie's policies is showing. Nothing he has offered would be free. All would be paid through taxes, but in the end it would be cheaper for people vs. the current ridiculous cost of colleges and healthcare.
    According to 2009 numbers, 43% of the people living in this country, don't pay taxes. So, I think he made a valid point and so did you by elaborating.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/43-of-americans-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-2013-9

    I think his point is, why should I have to pay higher amounts for cash shop items to support freeloaders? For me, it's a huge turn off. I do my best to pay the least amount of taxes, to deny deadbeats. This carries over into gaming as well.

    No working man likes a needy deadbeat.
    The additional amount you have to pay is trivial though.  Free players generally don't have access to customer service so the only cost they add is load on the server.  You might as well be complaining about how the cost of making addition virtual items runs up the cash shop prices.
    My stance is based on principle.

    I'm let somebody else reply to all that, if they want. But I will say, trivial amounts add up for those of us who have to pay for everything.
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  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    NorseGod said:
    reeereee said:
    NorseGod said:

    Ikeda said:


    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?



    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)



    Your ignorance on Bernie's policies is showing. Nothing he has offered would be free. All would be paid through taxes, but in the end it would be cheaper for people vs. the current ridiculous cost of colleges and healthcare.
    According to 2009 numbers, 43% of the people living in this country, don't pay taxes. So, I think he made a valid point and so did you by elaborating.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/43-of-americans-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-2013-9

    I think his point is, why should I have to pay higher amounts for cash shop items to support freeloaders? For me, it's a huge turn off. I do my best to pay the least amount of taxes, to deny deadbeats. This carries over into gaming as well.

    No working man likes a needy deadbeat.
    The additional amount you have to pay is trivial though.  Free players generally don't have access to customer service so the only cost they add is load on the server.  You might as well be complaining about how the cost of making addition virtual items runs up the cash shop prices.
    My stance is based on principle.

    I'm let somebody else reply to all that, if they want. But I will say, trivial amounts add up for those of us who have to pay for everything.
    This isn't the government running a game though.  Just like you corporations don't want to give things away for free.  Free players are there for very specific reasons and it's not because games developers woke up one day and decided that instead of getting paid they wanted to share their product with the world for free.
  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    Another lets give it away for free game because its so bad no ones going to pay for it.  Throw it on the steaming pile with the others.Razeekster said:

    Ikeda said:


    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?



    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)



    Your ignorance on Bernie's policies is showing. Nothing he has offered would be free. All would be paid through taxes, but in the end it would be cheaper for people vs. the current ridiculous cost of colleges and healthcare.
    lolz do you ever stop to think about where taxes come from?  And its not the same place as Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny just ask Greece.  And no its not evil corporations and rich people that the majority of tax dollars come from and it never ever will be its statistically impossible.  So care to guess?  That's right the middle class, so go ahead tax the hell out of yourself to get a fraction back in public services.

    The brainwashing is complete in some I see.
  • DvoraDvora Member UncommonPosts: 499

    Ikeda said:


    Maybe they read the forums and noticed the many comments saying: "If this game was F2P, I'd play it" ?



    You see that everywhere though, all sorts of people who are like "I wanna play for free!" or "I don't care if you eat!" because they are idiots or can't afford to participate in their chosen hobby.

    Just wait until Bernie gets a hold of it.  Free games for everyone!  Government will start paying companies to make games!  (oh wait, that's exactly how Kingdom's of Amalur was made)



    Your ignorance on Bernie's policies is showing. Nothing he has offered would be free. All would be paid through taxes, but in the end it would be cheaper for people vs. the current ridiculous cost of colleges and healthcare.
    Right because the government is the model of efficiency.  Now people that arent going to college, allready paid for their own or are paying down student loans get to pay for everyone else's college too.  Works about as good as obamacare.  Insurance companies are now posting rate increases 10% or higher because of what it is costing them.  Government needs to be reduced and corruption dealt with, rather than be further bloated.
  • KiyonoriKiyonori Member UncommonPosts: 70
    Used to be back in 2004 I'd come here and discuss mmo's, now it's mobas, shooters, and politics? Guess I'm getting old...

    Anyway, on topic: It's hard to believe that someone thought this game would be a good idea in the current market. I've also never heard of it and had to look it up and it looks very dated. It's an interesting concept--mixing different genres--but it looks like it was made on an indie budget.

    Worst part about all this is that the people behind it are probably really passionate about their product, or out of touch. Either way, someone is probably going to be out of a job soon which is unfortunate.
    Hope they have modest expectations and wish them the best.
  • AstropuyoAstropuyo Member RarePosts: 2,178
    Haw...this game.

    So as a closed tester,ea player (yeah I actually gave these guys money)...as a former tester of LAW (Which is what this game is) I can tell you this.

    They are so clueless it's awful.

    The mods and stuff are pretty good guys. Real personable. But the team that is making this thing in Korea or where-ever?

    They have no leadership, certainly very little structure and clearly a release path that indicates they don't understand why the population dropped to dismal.

    When in fact it's not the f2p issue. It's the issue of the shitty text, the horrible gui, the weird scaling the gui does even on 1080p and of course in general..the single most ugly human models anyone has ever seen.

    If you want to be a space elf by all means give it a try but be warned...Be warned.

    I personally wouldn't give these guys a single dime more their idea of a quest is a 500 hour long adventure of collecting nodes for some asshole in a camp so he can then double the order the next quest in a ongoing cycle of bullshit rewards which even the GM's admitted in the past...they never did them...because they were.. Terrible.
  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,794
    Another game going the "f2p" model route. Old news. Can't make money selling the game outright so they figure they can try to fleece people by saying it is now "free". Like others have said, those that won't spend the money to buy won't spend money in their "free" game either. I think it is about time to call the free to play model DOA.

    Let's party like it is 1863!

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