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My husband is a clicker like you too and all the recent games he cannot play either. My sincere advice is to get yourself a programmable mouse like G600 or the Naga or red dragon and bind the keys to the buttons on the side and practice. Few days and the muscle memory will set in and believe me you will never go back to clicking ever again.
One of the reasons clicking is no longer optimal is because of the speed of combat where using the mouse to click on a skill is far slower then using keybinds from your mouse or if you are really good at the keyboard clicking.
Use this as an opportunity to learn how not to be a clicker. After a few days of playing with hotkeys you will get used to it. I started playing MMOs around 1999 / 2000 and I also used to be a clicker. After taking the time to adjust to hotkeys you will see just how much better they are. You will be a better player if you learn hotkeys instead of mouse clicking a hotbar. If you just flat out refuse to learn then there will be games you just cant play as they are meant to be faster paced action type of combat.
Just because you have been doing something the same way for 15 years doesnt mean you cant learn something new. Give it a try, I think you will be pleasantly surprised how much better it is.
I am talking about what I said I am talking about ...
Yes you can key bind. And for some people that may be great. But I don't want to play a game where I am not allowed to set up action bars and click them.
Millions and millions of people play the way I play. It's not a defect or disease.
How would that work when you use your mouse for aiming?
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The UI limitations in ESO is exactly why I stopped playing. I am trying to remember what it was actually? heh, old age I guess. But if I recall, I couldn't set up my mouse to handle my WASD funtions. I hate WASD and love to move W to M1+M2 and A and D to just turning the mouse . THen focus on using KB bindings for all my ability casting. And just couldn't set this up in ESO. Never understood that.
Aren't all Elder Scrolls games sort of like this except that in the single player versions, like Skyrim, you can pause the combat and slot different skills or weapons.
You can pause the combat in Morrowind, Oblvion and Skyrim. Also, none of them have "hotbars" though you can slot equipment, potions, etc. in Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't remember if you can slot spells, scrolls, etc in Morrowind. I seem to remember just bringing up the menu and picking what scroll I wanted to use from the right window.
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This weekend I decided to give ESO a try. There seemed to be a lot of things to like about the game, but I will never experience them. Because something that has been present in the other dozen or so mmorpgs I have played seems absent here:
The ability to click on images on the screen to cast spells.
Try as I might, the game seems to be oriented to good typists or to people with a mouse that has 50 programmable buttons.
I am not a skilled typist and my mouse has 4 buttons - 5 including the wheel (which is more than I want).
I never knew this was an issue. I have been clicking abilities on my screen since 2002.
Am I missing something? Why did they do this?
Oh, and to any who may say Learn to Type or Get a Better Mouse, I have not needed to do either of those things from original Everquest forward. And I am having no difficulty playing other games today.
ESO does not offer the style of combat you want. Instead of clicking skills we use keybinds. Instead of tab target or clicking on target we have a recticle that highlights a target.
As said ESO doesn't offer what you are after. Basically it does what other ES games had and - on several occasions when it "strayed" there was "vocal" feedback that ESO should not be deviating. (It does deviate and some people grumble but it has become more ES like since it launched.)
So a better question - I suppose - would be "does anyone know of a mod that would let me click on icons".
Aren't all Elder Scrolls games sort of like this except that in the single player versions, like Skyrim, you can pause the combat and slot different skills or weapons.
You can pause the combat in Morrowind, Oblvion and Skyrim. Also, none of them have "hotbars" though you can slot equipment, potions, etc. in Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't remember if you can slot spells, scrolls, etc in Morrowind. I seem to remember just bringing up the menu and picking what scroll I wanted to use from the right window.
At least in Skyrim (can't remember if the older ones had this too) you can bind numeric keys to items and abilities in your quick bar with Alt + a number key... which I then bound to my mouse buttons. It makes playing as a mage much more enjoyable.
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Aren't all Elder Scrolls games sort of like this except that in the single player versions, like Skyrim, you can pause the combat and slot different skills or weapons.
You can pause the combat in Morrowind, Oblvion and Skyrim. Also, none of them have "hotbars" though you can slot equipment, potions, etc. in Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't remember if you can slot spells, scrolls, etc in Morrowind. I seem to remember just bringing up the menu and picking what scroll I wanted to use from the right window.
At least in Skyrim (can't remember if the older ones had this too) you can bind numeric keys to items and abilities in your quick bar with Alt + a number key... which I then bound to my mouse buttons. It makes playing as a mage much more enjoyable.
You can definitely do that in Oblivion. I don't remember if Morrowind had that.
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This weekend I decided to give ESO a try. There seemed to be a lot of things to like about the game, but I will never experience them. Because something that has been present in the other dozen or so mmorpgs I have played seems absent here:
The ability to click on images on the screen to cast spells.
Try as I might, the game seems to be oriented to good typists or to people with a mouse that has 50 programmable buttons.
I am not a skilled typist and my mouse has 4 buttons - 5 including the wheel (which is more than I want).
I never knew this was an issue. I have been clicking abilities on my screen since 2002.
Am I missing something? Why did they do this?
Oh, and to any who may say Learn to Type or Get a Better Mouse, I have not needed to do either of those things from original Everquest forward. And I am having no difficulty playing other games today.
ESO only has 6 keybinds in combat. 5 regular abilities and an ultimate. So you don't need to be a good typist or have a gaming mouse for that.
This weekend I decided to give ESO a try. There seemed to be a lot of things to like about the game, but I will never experience them. Because something that has been present in the other dozen or so mmorpgs I have played seems absent here:
The ability to click on images on the screen to cast spells.
Try as I might, the game seems to be oriented to good typists or to people with a mouse that has 50 programmable buttons.
I am not a skilled typist and my mouse has 4 buttons - 5 including the wheel (which is more than I want).
I never knew this was an issue. I have been clicking abilities on my screen since 2002.
Am I missing something? Why did they do this?
Oh, and to any who may say Learn to Type or Get a Better Mouse, I have not needed to do either of those things from original Everquest forward. And I am having no difficulty playing other games today.
So you've owned a computer for a very long time, and you've had no desire to learn how to properly use its components?
You don't need to be a "skilled typist" to train your fingers to move up 1 inch to hit the number keys. Half of the keyboard is useless during combat so you don't have to learn where every key is.
You are the reason you can't play these games, not the developers. If you want to restrict yourself to certain games because you refuse to change, that's your problem.
You are the reason you can't play these games, not the developers. If you want to restrict yourself to certain games because you refuse to change, that's your problem.
I could care less who in your opinion is to "blame." I am a consumer. I play games I like, without need of justification for or defense of my preferences, and part of what makes me like or dislike a game is the UI. The company can design things however they want. Obviously there are many people who like it they way they have made it. No problem. Enjoy.
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You are the reason you can't play these games, not the developers. If you want to restrict yourself to certain games because you refuse to change, that's your problem.
I could care less who in your opinion is to "blame." I am a consumer. I play games I like, without need of justification for or defense of my preferences, and part of what makes me like or dislike a game is the UI. The company can design things however they want. Obviously there are many people who like it they way they have made it. No problem. Enjoy.
before you pass too much judgement i would at the very least try to train your fingers to the bindings you desire or evolve and get a gaming mouse where you literally can change your bindings to using one hand. I fought tooth and nail in games like warhammer online to not use a naga mouse and when I finally accepted it I learned first hand the advantages they have to normal mouse and people that use them. The combat in ESO is not fast enough to even resemble twitch style gaming so hitting 1 or 2 is basically all your going to be doing in ESO anyways as most builds have 1 or 2 spam skill buttons and you can middle mouse click one of those if you really wanted to.
I know there's a way to free your mouse and click on the screen... seems like I recall it being the comma or period button. But I know it's not normally how the game is intended to be played and would probably be extremely awkward without tab-targetting.
I am talking about what I said I am talking about ...
Yes you can key bind. And for some people that may be great. But I don't want to play a game where I am not allowed to set up action bars and click them.
Millions and millions of people play the way I play. It's not a defect or disease.
I feel you are being unfair critical in this instance.I don't mind hotbars but try having 4/5/6 hotbars,as you mentioned Everquest, MANY including myself,that is NOT a good way to play a game.
Yes hotbars can come in handy,but is not a profound BEST option nor is NOT playing with hotbars a disease either way.
I personally have found that hotbars are really good if only clicking at most from 2 hotbars and only a few icons in each.My favorite option of all time is/was FFXI because it used self made macros.Self made macros allows the user to do EXACTLY what he wants without having to look all over the place oer 2/3/4/5 hotbars.
In the end it is all what you want as a player and what you want from the game,example a shallow idea would be like clicking 1/2/3 over and over and why often Wow was /is criticized.The scope and reason is much larger than simply saying,i have gamed with hotbars therefor i want hotbars all the time.
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As far as I know you should be able to keybind a key to "release the curser" letting you move the mouse around on the screen freely, and click your hotbar with it. The problem is that with the way that combat works in ESO, you have to aim your reticle at enemies in order to use your abilities which would conflict with using the mouse to click.
So yeah, if you plan on staying in ESO, you'd best learn to use the 5-7'ish hotkeys required
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One of the reasons clicking is no longer optimal is because of the speed of combat where using the mouse to click on a skill is far slower then using keybinds from your mouse or if you are really good at the keyboard clicking.
I started playing MMOs around 1999 / 2000 and I also used to be a clicker. After taking the time to adjust to hotkeys you will see just how much better they are.
You will be a better player if you learn hotkeys instead of mouse clicking a hotbar. If you just flat out refuse to learn then there will be games you just cant play as they are meant to be faster paced action type of combat.
Just because you have been doing something the same way for 15 years doesnt mean you cant learn something new.
Give it a try, I think you will be pleasantly surprised how much better it is.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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sigh... more sensitivity training
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So a better question - I suppose - would be "does anyone know of a mod that would let me click on icons".
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Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You don't need to be a "skilled typist" to train your fingers to move up 1 inch to hit the number keys. Half of the keyboard is useless during combat so you don't have to learn where every key is.
You are the reason you can't play these games, not the developers. If you want to restrict yourself to certain games because you refuse to change, that's your problem.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
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Yes hotbars can come in handy,but is not a profound BEST option nor is NOT playing with hotbars a disease either way.
I personally have found that hotbars are really good if only clicking at most from 2 hotbars and only a few icons in each.My favorite option of all time is/was FFXI because it used self made macros.Self made macros allows the user to do EXACTLY what he wants without having to look all over the place oer 2/3/4/5 hotbars.
In the end it is all what you want as a player and what you want from the game,example a shallow idea would be like clicking 1/2/3 over and over and why often Wow was /is criticized.The scope and reason is much larger than simply saying,i have gamed with hotbars therefor i want hotbars all the time.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
So yeah, if you plan on staying in ESO, you'd best learn to use the 5-7'ish hotkeys required