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What Size SSD Should I Get?

FuryVFuryV Member UncommonPosts: 515
edited June 2016 in Hardware
I'm building a new gaming PC and I'm not sure what size SSD I should get.  It's basically a choice between 240GB or 480GB.  I'll be using the SSD for the OS, games & installed programs.  My music, movies etc. will go on a secondary 1TB SATA HDD.

I keep my PC as clean as possible and rarely have space used up pointlessly.  I have a maximum of 3 games installed at a time, so let's say the games were around 50GB each, that'd be 150GB used up already.  I'm guessing the OS (Win 10) is probably gonna be around 50GB so that's 200GB used.  That means if I got a 240GB I'd have 40GB free space left.  I keep hearing the more space you take up on a SSD, the slower it gets though :/

Which is why I was considering the 480GB.  I know, it looks like I've answered the question myself, but really I'm looking for any excuse to get the 240GB as it's gonna be more within my budget.  What do you guys recommend, can I get away with using the 240GB SSD or will I notice my PC slowing down seeing as I'm only gonna have approximately 40GB space free on it?
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  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    Is your listening music connected to an external Dac? If so I would opt for a bigger SSD to allow for uncompressed file sizes. If not then it shouldn't be a problem with 480gb.
     
  • FuryVFuryV Member UncommonPosts: 515
    Nope, it's not connected to an external Dac.
  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    Just saying some external Dacs benefit more from a SSD drive. You should be good with 480GB :) I forgot I was on mmorpg.com for a second lol I'm usually here and Audiogon forums.
     
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Generally is 240 gigs enough but in your case it might be worth the 480 gig.

    The alternative would be if you buy 4 smaller regular drives instead of 1 big and raid them. It still wont be as fast as the SSD but 3 times faster then a regular drive (assuming you use raid 5 with both gives you performance and speed) and the advantage is that your data is rather safe against crashes as well.

    With that you could still do fine with 240 gig, the  games with most loading on the SSD and the rest on the raid unit. You would need to check that the motherboard support raiding but most do, and you would loose 25% of the harddrive space to get the parity drive (if one drive crashes you just rebuild it on a new). Still, if you get a good price on 4 smaller drives it is a very good option.

    In  any case, you really should have no reason for more than 480 gig, SSDs tend to beccome expensive once you go over 500 and you can always in worse case move the heavy data files from the SSD temporary and paste them back when you need them.
  • centkincentkin Member RarePosts: 1,527
    SSD's have come way down in price.  There is no reason to constrain yourself in a 240 gig.  Get the larger one.  You are using today's programs to look at storage for the future.  Programs always seem to get bigger.
  • cyranacyrana Member UncommonPosts: 197
    Definitely get the 480. You'd be surprised at how big some games are now... I have a few games that take up like 60GB of space and it would be annoying to spread them across multiple drives (to me).  Just had to buy a second SSD due to this issue...

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  • FuryVFuryV Member UncommonPosts: 515
    Guess I'm going with the larger size then.  @centkin Yeah that was one of my thought as well actually, the fact that programs seem to be getting bigger all the time, so I may as well go with the bigger size.  Thanks guys.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    The ~500GB models right now really are at a nice spot for $/GB.

    I expect in years time we'll see similarly for the larger drives. I wouldn't go any smaller than 120 as a bare minimum for an SSD (assuming you have a larger capacity drive to pair it with), and the more the better past that - it's just a function of what capacity you can afford.
  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,101
    edited June 2016
    Not sure why this is being discussed, in my opinion the only answer is "the biggest one your budget will allow."

    You want ALL the games you play on your SSD along with your OS. Trust me.
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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Viper482 said:
    Not sure why this is being discussed, in my opinion the only answer is "the biggest one your budget will allow."

    You want ALL the games you play on your SSD along with your OS. Trust me.
    I agree, with the exception that that is also the same advice I give for GPUs - get the fastest one your budget will allow.

    So, between an SSD and a GPU, as most of the rest of the system will be pretty stock in terms of price (the only other real question is "which CPU", and even that question is pretty closed ended) -- where do you find the right balance?
  • HellidolHellidol Member UncommonPosts: 476
    I got 1t HD, 1 500gig SSD, 1  180SSD. still not enought lol

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  • KilrainKilrain Member RarePosts: 1,185
    I've read enough reviews and test to know that bigger SSDs tend to run faster.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited June 2016
    Kilrain said:
    I've read enough reviews and test to know that bigger SSDs tend to run faster.
    That is true, but it's kinda like saying a Bugatti is faster than a McLaren - at some point, it's all just "freaky fast" and it's just bragging rights.

    Pretty much any SATA3 (or later) SSD is in the "freaky fast" category.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    bestever said:
    Get two of the 240 gig ssds and do a raid 0.
    That isn't a bad idea, you may even get some minor speed benefit from it, but I don't recommend it because:

    a) If either drive dies, you lose everything. You effectively half your reliability.
    b) You will pay almost the same price for 2x 240 as you will 1x500.
    c) If you want to transfer the drive(s) later on, you have to copy it off, then copy it back on, unless you have the exact same RAID controller and hook up the drives in the exact same configuration. With a single drive, its plug and play.

    I just don't think you'd really save any money, and I don't think the speed benefit you'd get from RAID 0 would make up for the additional risk in reliability - at least for most people. I'm sure you can find a few applications where you can use all the SSD speed you can get, but for most people, an SSD is already so fast that "faster" doesn't really matter that much.

  • KilrainKilrain Member RarePosts: 1,185
    Ridelynn said:
    bestever said:
    Get two of the 240 gig ssds and do a raid 0.
    That isn't a bad idea, you may even get some minor speed benefit from it, but I don't recommend it because:

    a) If either drive dies, you lose everything. You effectively half your reliability.
    b) You will pay almost the same price for 2x 240 as you will 1x500.
    c) If you want to transfer the drive(s) later on, you have to copy it off, then copy it back on, unless you have the exact same RAID controller and hook up the drives in the exact same configuration. With a single drive, its plug and play.

    I just don't think you'd really save any money, and I don't think the speed benefit you'd get from RAID 0 would make up for the additional risk in reliability - at least for most people. I'm sure you can find a few applications where you can use all the SSD speed you can get, but for most people, an SSD is already so fast that "faster" doesn't really matter that much.

    There is literally no reason at all to get the smaller drive(s).
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Well, I wouldn't say no reason.

    I mean, if all you have left in a budget is $60 - I would argue that a 240G SSD is better than no SSD and any HDD (unless you absolutely need to store 241GB).

    But yeah, that's kind of a contrived corner case: if you can afford the bigger one, get the bigger one. But that's the same rule that has applied to any and all storage for.. pretty much forever.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Ridelynn said:
    Well, I wouldn't say no reason.

    I mean, if all you have left in a budget is $60 - I would argue that a 240G SSD is better than no SSD and any HDD (unless you absolutely need to store 241GB).

    But yeah, that's kind of a contrived corner case: if you can afford the bigger one, get the bigger one. But that's the same rule that has applied to any and all storage for.. pretty much forever.

    If I had a spare ssd, I would recommend using it for temp.
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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    I would go with a 500-1000 GB model at this moment. I use 2 500 GB drives right now and have adaquette space with a lot of my files backed up using my free cloud storage. 500 is at a pretty good price now.
  • RoDi_SKRoDi_SK Member CommonPosts: 3
    Larger capacity of one model is almost always faster. If only important high speed read and write access to ordinary speed not matter then I recommend RAID1. Intel RAID1 read data from both drives simultaneously (as in RAID0). My test -> http://rodi.sk/misc/intel-rapid-storage-technology-ssd-intel-535-240gb-raid-1-benchmark/
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    RoDi_SK said:
    Larger capacity of one model is almost always faster. If only important high speed read and write access to ordinary speed not matter then I recommend RAID1. Intel RAID1 read data from both drives simultaneously (as in RAID0). My test -> http://rodi.sk/misc/intel-rapid-storage-technology-ssd-intel-535-240gb-raid-1-benchmark/
    Raid 1 is fast but a bit risky, if 1 drive goes you loose all data on all your drives (and it happens, my Corsair SSD died a year ago). Raid 5 is a great compromize even though it require 3 or more drives (4 recommended).

    My first SSDs were 4 raided Intel X-80 drives, worked great on my intel computer but for some reason did I have issues when I changed to an AMD. It kicked out a drive every 2 weeks and AMDs raidexpert is total crap (you have to access it through a browser while my Intel system just told me it was rebuilding the one time a SATA cable died and I had to do it on my Intel). Not sure that it was AMDs fault that they dropped out or MSIs who made the motherboard but that doesn't change the fact that Raidexpert sucks big time.

    Anyways, you can raid SSDs and it did give me an extra boost with the ancient X-80. Not sure if modern raided SSDs get bottlenecked or not though or after how many drives if so.
  • RoDi_SKRoDi_SK Member CommonPosts: 3
    @Loke666:

    RAID0 = one drive fails, there are no data
    RAID1 = one drive fails, all the data are OK
  • AstropuyoAstropuyo Member RarePosts: 2,178
    Thing about SSD's for your OS. Yeah they are fast but they die really fast.
    I wouldn't put my os on a SSD (even though i do have one copy on a ssd just in case) because of all the trimm bs and the fact that and this is kinda bullshit...

    Windows 10 sometimes tried to defrag your SSD on schedule. No biggie for those of us who turn it off.... But it will write your ssd to 0 lol.

    Aside from that i'd never ever game on a standard hdd ever again. The difference is amazing for loadtimes.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Astropuyo said:
    Thing about SSD's for your OS. Yeah they are fast but they die really fast.
    I wouldn't put my os on a SSD (even though i do have one copy on a ssd just in case) because of all the trimm bs and the fact that and this is kinda bullshit...

    Windows 10 sometimes tried to defrag your SSD on schedule. No biggie for those of us who turn it off.... But it will write your ssd to 0 lol.

    Aside from that i'd never ever game on a standard hdd ever again. The difference is amazing for loadtimes.

    There were issues in the early days of ssds with writing.  Modern stuff would take something like 12 years of continuous writing at maximum throughput to see it.  It is more likely to suffer a good old failure than the write issue of the past.
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited June 2016
    Astropuyo said:
    Thing about SSD's for your OS. Yeah they are fast but they die really fast.
    I wouldn't put my os on a SSD (even though i do have one copy on a ssd just in case) because of all the trimm bs and the fact that and this is kinda bullshit...

    Windows 10 sometimes tried to defrag your SSD on schedule. No biggie for those of us who turn it off.... But it will write your ssd to 0 lol.

    Aside from that i'd never ever game on a standard hdd ever again. The difference is amazing for loadtimes.
    5 years i have had OS on an SSD and it has 99% life left.

    Ive also copied games on and off, just being picky what games ( mostly MMO, some doesnt profit much from being on SSD)

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  • SzczepanXSzczepanX Member UncommonPosts: 40
    Buy only MLC drive, avoid TLC like a plague. It's a type of memory, MLC is way more durable and faster, but a bit pricier.
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