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AMD offers a few more details on Polaris

QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,531
But only a few.  Here's the full story, but it's awfully padded with fluff:

http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/e3-sneak-peek-2016jun13.aspx

In addition to the previously announced Radeon RX 480, there is also a Radeon RX 470 and a Radeon RX 460.  You could have guessed that and likely did.  Prices will be in the $100-$300 range, presumably meaning $100 for the RX 460.  There's no mention of a card higher than the RX 480, and if they try to sell a slightly higher clocked 8 GB version for $300, it's going to be a ridiculous card.  Cue speculation that the 480 is itself a salvage part and the full chip with GDDR5X is the $300 part.  Though it's perhaps more likely that the RX 470 is a salvage part of the same Polaris 10 chip as the RX 480.  The release dates are this Summer, which you also could have guessed and likely did.
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  • ianicusianicus Member UncommonPosts: 665
    I see no mention of drivers that actually work properly, the sole reason I finally abandoned AMD after 12 years.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,531
    AMD didn't make good video drivers 12 years ago for the obvious reason that they didn't make video cards at all.

    The sort of person who doesn't assume that of course AMD will offer working video drivers for their products on the basis that they have for the last several years is the sort of person who wouldn't believe it had any significance if AMD claimed they were starting some massive new driver program.
  • ianicusianicus Member UncommonPosts: 665
    edited June 2016
    They certainly did make the hardware, it was a little company called ATI, and its alot of the same players now working under the AMD banner...stop splitting hairs on corporate ownership. Fact of the matter is they HAVENT made great drivers.....ever....In all that time, I always had issues with a game here or a game there, and even worse up to 6 months ago when I jumped ship. You can say all you want, but I have my first hard experience that pushed me away. I loved the price, and the POTENTIAL performance, only to be let down by the software.
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    I guess when yoou have the same with NVidia youll jump to Intel right?
  • PsYcHoGBRPsYcHoGBR Member UncommonPosts: 482
    Two of these cards is still cheaper than a 1080 gtx and give more power. I need to upgrade soon I have a gtx 7700 and i'm waiting to see how polaris does as the 1080/1070 is still way overpriced.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    The big question for me is will they work with the games I want to play?  I often see people complain about performance with ATI cards with specific games.

    Obviously I'd like to pay a lot less, but what's the point if the card has serious issues with the games I want to play now or in the future?
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited June 2016
    NVidia has a lot of problems in DX12 from performance to drivers, and every major release will have DX12.

    In past..well almost a year now AMD has had better drivers than NVidia.

    A lot of "AMD" problems actually came from NVidias black box software called Gameworks (it also affected older NVidia cards) since devs couldnt (werent allowed) fix/optimize anything about that. I think that that preactice from NVidia is behind us now.

    Post edited by Malabooga on
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    This isn't about loyalty.  Is about putting a card in my computer that will do what I need it to do.  Without paying too much money.  Since I'm a laptop user I look forward to something that won't be running at 84C.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    edited June 2016
    But they said RX 480 will be 200$? I saw their video presentation.

    Edit : Ok so 4GB version will be 200$. 8GB will be higher..

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  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    I'm still going to buy a 480X when they release.  Looks like a top notch card for a very reasonable price, and the drivers eventually catch up.  If you are having problems with a certain game, use the beta drivers.  AMD is well aware when a game is being problematic.  So is Nvidia.  It seems like AMD fixes those problems quicker, but both companies always get these things fixed eventually. 

    If you take individual games, you can always find a 'winner', but overall it seems like both companies make generally great drivers for their cards - eventually.  But quite honestly, if your favorite game runs well at max settings at 1080p,  why do we complain about misplaced pixels and occlusion?  Those things will get fixed...

    Crappy drivers have been a problem for as long as we have had 3D cards, starting with the Monster 3D in the 90s.  As long as game developers keep pushing the envelope, there will be problems.  The driver problem is one of the things that DX12 is supposed to fix once and for all, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    & oh, yeah, I will be getting the 8GB version of the 480X as long as it is below $300.


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  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504
    ianicus said:
    They certainly did make the hardware, it was a little company called ATI, and its alot of the same players now working under the AMD banner...stop splitting hairs on corporate ownership. Fact of the matter is they HAVENT made great drivers.....ever....In all that time, I always had issues with a game here or a game there, and even worse up to 6 months ago when I jumped ship. You can say all you want, but I have my first hard experience that pushed me away. I loved the price, and the POTENTIAL performance, only to be let down by the software.

    never had any issues with drivers with my 290x's in the time that i've had them.. on release i've always been able to play everything with no issues, including titles as Witcher 3 and Fallout 4, so i don't know where you get your info that they don't have good drivers... and i've literally purchased everything to come out in the past year... i might actually have a problem.
  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504
    The big question for me is will they work with the games I want to play?  I often see people complain about performance with ATI cards with specific games.

    Obviously I'd like to pay a lot less, but what's the point if the card has serious issues with the games I want to play now or in the future?
    I can tell you honestly there has been no game over the past 2 or so years that has come out that my 290x's haven't been able to play... and i've bought literally all MMO style, MOBA  FPS and strategy... all the AAA ones and a bunch of smaller indie style titles etc... and on launch i've never been like oh crap i cant play this, everything has ran smooth at completely maxed out graphics with good frame rates. and i never see my cards go above 63ish
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    The only time I've had problems with ATI/AMD is with OpenGL games.

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  • Leon1eLeon1e Member UncommonPosts: 791
    edited June 2016
    ianicus said:
    They certainly did make the hardware, it was a little company called ATI, and its alot of the same players now working under the AMD banner...stop splitting hairs on corporate ownership. Fact of the matter is they HAVENT made great drivers.....ever....In all that time, I always had issues with a game here or a game there, and even worse up to 6 months ago when I jumped ship. You can say all you want, but I have my first hard experience that pushed me away. I loved the price, and the POTENTIAL performance, only to be let down by the software.
    Biased greenie fanboi spotted. Have never ever had issues with my drivers for the past 5 years. In those 5 years I owned 2x Radeon HD 6870 in CrossfireX mode (just as trash as nVidia SLI) and since the past 1.5 years - an R9 290X. 

    Made the jump from Catalyst driver suite to Crimson suite with 0 issues. 

    Inbetween the above was a Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 *upgrade* (not fresh installation)

    Computer runs smooth as butter. 

    I don't know what you crazy nVidia fanboys and Win10 haters are talking about.

    Btw, did you hear about the nVidia beta driver that bricked bunch of 980Ti's? Yeah ... guess we'll close our eyes for thsi one ^^" 

    Also since we are on topic, did you know that nVidia 9xx series are incapable of running Dx12 properly due to lack of hardware Async Compute instructions? The moment when 2x200$ GPUs mop the floor with a single 600$ GPU you know shit's getting bad for one of the vendors.

    Also, 4GB is perfect memory size for uncompressed FullHD gaming. You have enough memory to encode every pixel on the screen in raw data. The only question is whether this memory is fast enough. So far it seems so. 
    Post edited by Leon1e on
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    GladDog said:
    I'm still going to buy a 480X when they release.  Looks like a top notch card for a very reasonable price, and the drivers eventually catch up.  If you are having problems with a certain game, use the beta drivers.  AMD is well aware when a game is being problematic.  So is Nvidia.  It seems like AMD fixes those problems quicker, but both companies always get these things fixed eventually. 

    If you take individual games, you can always find a 'winner', but overall it seems like both companies make generally great drivers for their cards - eventually.  But quite honestly, if your favorite game runs well at max settings at 1080p,  why do we complain about misplaced pixels and occlusion?  Those things will get fixed...

    Crappy drivers have been a problem for as long as we have had 3D cards, starting with the Monster 3D in the 90s.  As long as game developers keep pushing the envelope, there will be problems.  The driver problem is one of the things that DX12 is supposed to fix once and for all, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    & oh, yeah, I will be getting the 8GB version of the 480X as long as it is below $300.
    They had severe problem with Radeon crimson driver. It was overheating device to the point where some people had their device fried. Of course they should have immediately reverted driver to previous as soon as they saw their device was overheating but still it was a mess. Took about a month for AMD/ATI to fix the mess.

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  • RaxeonRaxeon Member UncommonPosts: 2,288
    ianicus said:
    I see no mention of drivers that actually work properly, the sole reason I finally abandoned AMD after 12 years.
    my drivers work fine... i have had some bad ones before tho
  • Leon1eLeon1e Member UncommonPosts: 791
    edited June 2016
    GladDog said:
    I'm still going to buy a 480X when they release.  Looks like a top notch card for a very reasonable price, and the drivers eventually catch up.  If you are having problems with a certain game, use the beta drivers.  AMD is well aware when a game is being problematic.  So is Nvidia.  It seems like AMD fixes those problems quicker, but both companies always get these things fixed eventually. 

    If you take individual games, you can always find a 'winner', but overall it seems like both companies make generally great drivers for their cards - eventually.  But quite honestly, if your favorite game runs well at max settings at 1080p,  why do we complain about misplaced pixels and occlusion?  Those things will get fixed...

    Crappy drivers have been a problem for as long as we have had 3D cards, starting with the Monster 3D in the 90s.  As long as game developers keep pushing the envelope, there will be problems.  The driver problem is one of the things that DX12 is supposed to fix once and for all, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    & oh, yeah, I will be getting the 8GB version of the 480X as long as it is below $300.
    They had severe problem with Radeon crimson driver. It was overheating device to the point where some people had their device fried. Of course they should have immediately reverted driver to previous as soon as they saw their device was overheating but still it was a mess. Took about a month for AMD/ATI to fix the mess.
    What a load of rubbish. 

    I have the stock R9 290X (PowerColor OC, but stock cooler), which is known to overheat. It has never overheated for me. Works at 85 degrees with advertised temperature of 90. Shuts down at 95. 

    Do you know what I did? I actually opened my drivers control panel and allowed the fans to go full speed when its needed. 

    I know! Where's my nobel prize?
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited June 2016
    GladDog said:
    I'm still going to buy a 480X when they release.  Looks like a top notch card for a very reasonable price, and the drivers eventually catch up.  If you are having problems with a certain game, use the beta drivers.  AMD is well aware when a game is being problematic.  So is Nvidia.  It seems like AMD fixes those problems quicker, but both companies always get these things fixed eventually. 

    If you take individual games, you can always find a 'winner', but overall it seems like both companies make generally great drivers for their cards - eventually.  But quite honestly, if your favorite game runs well at max settings at 1080p,  why do we complain about misplaced pixels and occlusion?  Those things will get fixed...

    Crappy drivers have been a problem for as long as we have had 3D cards, starting with the Monster 3D in the 90s.  As long as game developers keep pushing the envelope, there will be problems.  The driver problem is one of the things that DX12 is supposed to fix once and for all, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    & oh, yeah, I will be getting the 8GB version of the 480X as long as it is below $300.
    They had severe problem with Radeon crimson driver. It was overheating device to the point where some people had their device fried. Of course they should have immediately reverted driver to previous as soon as they saw their device was overheating but still it was a mess. Took about a month for AMD/ATI to fix the mess.
    NVidia has had 3 driver releases with such issue this year to the point they had to revoke 1 driver version completely. And not to talk about DX12 which still have issues few months after few games have released (Quantum Break, Hitman, Warhammer still have issues...)
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Quizzical said:
    AMD didn't make good video drivers 12 years ago for the obvious reason that they didn't make video cards at all.

    The sort of person who doesn't assume that of course AMD will offer working video drivers for their products on the basis that they have for the last several years is the sort of person who wouldn't believe it had any significance if AMD claimed they were starting some massive new driver program.
    ATI did (I had a Rage 2 card 20 years ago).

    The drivers have gotten better since AMD took over but Nvidia still win driverwise. Heck, I installed a 5 year old laptop last week and AMD didn't even have the driver at their webbsite, I had to find it on Toshibas site instead.

    It is still far better and they seems to improve so the drivers might be as good soon, but it is easier for an average user to install and update Nvidia drivers right now and that do turn some people away from AMD. You and I might be able to tweak our computers to get out as much as possible of the hardware but most people want as little as possible to do with tuning and just let the whole thing handle itself. And certain people do more harm then good when tuning things up.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Sorry dude, but NVidia drivers were breaking Windows boot in a few releases this year, add to that failed forced installs... ... ...
  • NasaNasa Member UncommonPosts: 749
    edited June 2016
    Is DX12 kind of outdated now that we have Vulkan?
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Malabooga said:
    GladDog said:
    I'm still going to buy a 480X when they release.  Looks like a top notch card for a very reasonable price, and the drivers eventually catch up.  If you are having problems with a certain game, use the beta drivers.  AMD is well aware when a game is being problematic.  So is Nvidia.  It seems like AMD fixes those problems quicker, but both companies always get these things fixed eventually. 

    If you take individual games, you can always find a 'winner', but overall it seems like both companies make generally great drivers for their cards - eventually.  But quite honestly, if your favorite game runs well at max settings at 1080p,  why do we complain about misplaced pixels and occlusion?  Those things will get fixed...

    Crappy drivers have been a problem for as long as we have had 3D cards, starting with the Monster 3D in the 90s.  As long as game developers keep pushing the envelope, there will be problems.  The driver problem is one of the things that DX12 is supposed to fix once and for all, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    & oh, yeah, I will be getting the 8GB version of the 480X as long as it is below $300.
    They had severe problem with Radeon crimson driver. It was overheating device to the point where some people had their device fried. Of course they should have immediately reverted driver to previous as soon as they saw their device was overheating but still it was a mess. Took about a month for AMD/ATI to fix the mess.
    NVidia has had 3 driver releases with such issue this year to the point they had to revoke 1 driver version completely. And not to talk about DX12 which still have issues few months after few games have released (Quantum Break, Hitman, Warhammer still have issues...)
    I don't know about NVIDIA since i only use AMD/ATI product :D. My laptop does have NVIDIA but it never had any problem with drivers. I guess only desktop driver had problem? But over all if i have to choose between NVIDIA and Radeon now, i choose Radeon. For such a low price we are getting an outrageous performance from RX 480. It is definitely a winner in my book. And i am sure they are already in work to create driver specifically for it. I am only waiting on ZEN now, i will get a brand new system once ZEN comes out. 

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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited June 2016
    Yah, just this talk of AMD bad drivers when NVidia is actually worse lol

    Before i bought this card i had AMD and hadnt had any problems. Now on NVidia its like a roller coaster lol
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,531
    ianicus said:
    They certainly did make the hardware, it was a little company called ATI, and its alot of the same players now working under the AMD banner...stop splitting hairs on corporate ownership. Fact of the matter is they HAVENT made great drivers.....ever....In all that time, I always had issues with a game here or a game there, and even worse up to 6 months ago when I jumped ship. You can say all you want, but I have my first hard experience that pushed me away. I loved the price, and the POTENTIAL performance, only to be let down by the software.
    So if Nvidia bought AMD, would that automatically mean that Nvidia drivers are garbage?

    While I have run into a number of esoteric problems with AMD's drivers, I've run into similar problems with Nvidia.  Most of the problems with both vendors are weird corner cases that hardly justify claiming the drivers are awful, and the one exception was on an Nvidia driver--and something that has since been fixed.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,531
    Getting back on topic, a claimed leaked slide deck gives some benchmarks:

    https://tweakers.net/nieuws/112519/amd-geeft-benchmarks-vrij-van-rx-480-en-rx-470-en-onthult-rx-480m.html

    I don't know if the slides are real or fake, but if they're fake, they're pretty good fakes.  It's also likely that there is a slide deck out there by now, with the RX 480 launch only two weeks away.

    The numbers show a Polaris 11 handily beating Bonaire in laptops while being much lower power.  They show an RX 470 beating Pitcairn by enough that it probably also beats Tahiti and Tonga.  They show an RX 480 beating Tonga by enough that it might well be competitive with Fiji.

    Beware of cherry-picked benchmarks, of course.  From their history, it's likely that AMD is showing benchmarks that put Polaris in a little better light than "average" review benchmarks will, but not massively so.  The most notable thing to me is that they're all 1080p.  Presumably AMD fixed whatever the problem was that made Fiji not do so well at lower resolutions.

    That, of course, is all assuming that the slide deck is real.  My best guess would be that it is, but that's a guess and it wouldn't be that shocking if it's all fake.
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