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Hatefull
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If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
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Here's my not-authoritative-sounding list:
Graphics- BDO blows Archeage out of the park, like it does most MMOs. I liked the art style in Archeage, but that's about all it had going for it.
PVP- can't say because I haven't pvp'ed yet in BDO. I do know though that fights last a lot longer, leaving more room for skillful counterplay. There's far less 1-stun-lock-to-death stuff in BDO. Group pvp can't say- seiges are coming soon to BDO.
Crafting- they're pretty different. BDO has a very large variety of things to craft, and you can set your workers to gather mats and do the crafting themselves. All around it's a more interesting and deep system. However you don't craft the best gear in BDO, so crafting is less important.
Graphics on my GTX 770 is really great I just love it and I love the combat it is so satisfying to work the combos and skills and see the animations. I cannot tell you how great it is to have combat that looks like that but the monsters you face are not very smart or they don't use much AI at all so that is pretty boring.
It's a living, breathing and functioning world with all the annoyances of real life even.
PvP no idea sorry am going to avoid that.
Crafting I understand is pretty involved and since you use refineries and worker management to gather coupled with actually collecting some of the resources yourself ,it is pretty involved. For PvP however you will probably be spending more silver than actually time to upgrade and I hear the failure is punishing.
I also avoided playing Archeage because of it's initial issues including people being blocked from housing by others. I felt it was a very short sighted design in many ways that allowed griefing but since I have not played it I am being unfair.
I am playing Black Desert Online. I started very recently. I have no idea about epic loot and dungeons.
I have spent more time reading up about the game than playing it initially because I was very overwhelmed with all the things that were in the game. Some one said it is not complex but just complicated. I am not really sure which it is but definitely not reading up about it would have confused me to hell and back so in my book the game does fulfil the box called interesting and intriguing.
I had so much difficulty connecting the nodes as I had gone out too far from Olvia the place I was in and started at and discovered Velia and when I tried to connect the nodes even checking out some videos it kept showing me points with nothing on the map until I went running slowly from place to place and saw each node manager. Then still they would not connect properly because there are these barren spots that looked like just wilderness and I finally figured it out the day before yesterday. That made me think that had I not even read up it would have been even worse. The game definitely does not hold your hand.
The whole adventure I call it that because I was so intrigued by the system and yes even after I figured it out I was thinking for a PvP game they sure put a lot of effort into these systems and make it worth looking into. Of course you can call it needlessly complex but having these types of things like amity you are forced to look at the world and carefully work things out. So many systems in other games do not bother with any effort to trying to do anything different. Here if you want the NPCs to give you quests you have to build a relationship by using an amity system which involves conversations with other people within the network of that NPC. It makes you take notice of the NPC itself .
The game is definitely time consuming. It's hugely so. Everything from walking ,fishing, going from place to place,gathering and whatever else I think you might have to do. There is no such thing as clicking on the map and going from one place to another or any other form of fast travel .There are weight restrictions and durability on items. I tried to do some trading with my donkey mount and sadly only could carry like two ores. It was pathetic the amount I made after making a mad dash to avoid bandits on the roads.
I recently started to fish and was thinking it would be easy and after failing like 10 times and still occasionally failing the mini game I am not sure what to say about the game. The fact that I had to sell the fish while it was fresh made me chuckle. I guess even the crafting and I have not yet started that yet, but since you need workers and opening up workshops, food for workers and transporting raw materials from town to town I presume it is complex too (hmm I hesitate to use that word).
I have not even come to the horse breeding the boat crafting or even pet feeding and other aspects and I am noticing how engrossed I am in the game. I think I need to ration my time or else I am going to be thoroughly addicted. So far since I am not interested in PvP I guess I am relatively insulated from the drama about cheaters but since you want to PvP you might want to see how seriously they are about their new rules on bans.
If you want to check out this game you can try the trial.
The crafting in BDO is mostly hands off, you buy sweat shops in town and get slave labor to do the work. Same with most gathering, farming. It's very much a slave sim as well, you even buy and sell slaves on a slave market.
PvP in BDO is not even a thing, there is zero point to it and taking up arms with another player is meaningless. Node wars promises to change that, I imagine it will be a few large guilds that will control everything and push any smaller guilds aside, leaving them in the same spot they are in now.
Archeage does almost everything better than BDO does, especially pay to win!
So, is it open world PvP or is it easy to just spend a day relaxing doing PvE content?
Edit: I am not looking for opinion, I am just interested in facts on how the systems work, I appreciate the non-biased responses.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I just hit 50 yesterday and have run into some people while farming since 45. Didn't feel threatened and we just kind of went on our own way farming up mobs.
BDO is a good game, but don't let people tell you it's the savior of MMO gaming, it isn't. I find myself posting negative about the game a lot as other's who post fail to mention these things and paint the game with a very one colored brush.
7 day trial keys exist, grab one and make your own conclusion is the best advice I can give.
@LIOKI you too.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
The game looks fantastic but the amount of pop up present in the rendering engine is inexcusable. As you run through the game world there is a constant stream of objects popping in around you ( regardless of PC spec), mine happens to be way at the upper end. It doesn't stutter when things pop in its just annoying.
The combat is action based but not to deep as is the case with most action combat so it gets old quick.
You get stuck on things allot, there is no clipping with mobs which is fine however they are like immovable objects, so if your walking across a field and hit a bug on the ground you literally stop dead in your tracks and are unable to move forward without walking around the bug. And some of the terrain is covered in these ankle level mobs so you literally cant walk across a field with out steering around mobs or your getting stuck every 3 feet. They should at least slowly push out of the way or you should slide past them.
The crafting system is very hands off its like an RTS game, you craft from a top down aerial view of the world where you click on buildings that are supposedly full of your "workers" who make things for you. Personally I hate it. It doesn't even feel like IM crafting I feel completely disconnected from the crafting aspect of this game.
The thing I guess that bugs me the most about this game, is that aside from costumes in the cash shop, all the gear you loot has not effect on your characters appearance. Some crafted gear actually shows on your character but to me its lazy sauce cash shop armoring.
Also the entire gear system is influenced by the cash shop (Korean way of doing things), Instead of looting gear you instead just endlessly upgrade your same crap, using the chance to upgrade system. This is a classic cash shop mechanic that's now made its way into the base gear system for most Korean games. I hate it. Collecting armor is now collecting rare "mats" to have a chance to make your armor more powerful.
there are parts of the game I like but many of the base mechanics don't sit well with me or my play style.
I just put him/her on ignore and am done with it. It's kinda funny how he/she started out hating on this game and insulted most of us for it; then through a bit of trolling and the magic of forum persuasion he/she bought into the game and soon after became the No1 fan who will defend it till the end. It was like watching an angry moth metamorphosis.
I also disagree that BDO was way better graphically. Its better, but not way better. Archeage had amazing graphics too, and it definitely had more variety in environments as well. I suppose if their whole world was lush green areas, they might have been able to devote more time to making them look better; Since they had everything from sandy beaches and deserts, to rain forests and swamps, it meant creating more assets.
I found AAs combat to be more enjoyable. In fact, I felt like BDO had the worst action combat I've ever played.
While the cash shop in BDO is less p2w, they made some giant mistakes afaic. Namely, the ghillie suit.
Holden and BDO is a comical relief daily. That and "the hate is strong" comment by you know who.
I ll answer it in one simple word that describes all aspects of the game. Garbage.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
@DMKano - I don't read your posts. I certainly am not going to read a wall of text most of which I bet has nothing to do with my questions. This is me just trying to help you not waste your time responding to things I post.
As I said, @holdenhamlet and @LIOKI took care of it, I thank the rest of the pertinent responses, but I do not need any more information on the topic.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
DMKano took the effort and time to reply it is very rude of you to post what you did.
Even if you intended not to read it, it was very nasty of you to write what you did. You sure live up to your name.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Holy shit! DMKano I envy your free time
I sincerely hope you have other things in life besides gaming that also bring you joy.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
The MMORPG genre really is in the cash grab sh*tter at the moment.
Both games give a short term bit of fun, neither game is a long term play IMO.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.