I enjoyed the WOW movie for what it was. A nice diversion from my daily life for a couple of hours at the cinemas.
I only saw it as I had free tickets from a competition to go see it locally, otherwise I would have waited for a discount DVD release.
It is certainly not a movie I'd have enjoyed if I had paid to see it... If they added another hour to the movie and joined the story a little bit more it would have been 1000% better. Think... Lord of the Rings style of movie length / sequence.
At times it felt a little like a cheap crappy action/fantasy flick from hollywood, despite all the awesome effects and CGI work.
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While I did go see the movie for sentimental reasons I normally wont see a movie with under a 50% critical rating.
BTW unless you were a fan the critics were not wrong, wasn't a very good movie.
I read a blog post from a fan over on massivelyop while the site was down... Even he said the movie was bad.
There's a difference between a fan and a fanboy... And that difference is being able to accept that your favorite IP/developer/publisher/team isn't perfect, no matter how giddy you get at the very mention of their name.
Thanks to china, people who are suckers for anything hollywood. Last year there was a horror movie that did not even make a million $ in US box office but the director released it in china and made 20 million in a week and made huge profit..due to all kind of restrictions and censoring they go for anything that comes out of US. And if it is action packed then even better and if it action packed with the name of their former favorite mmo then it is jackpot for them..
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Thanks to china, people who are suckers for anything hollywood. Last year there was a horror movie that did not even make a million $ in US box office but the director released it in china and made 20 million in a week and made huge profit..due to all kind of restrictions and censoring they go for anything that comes out of US. And if it is action packed then even better and if it action packed with the name of their former favorite mmo then it is jackpot for them..
That's why the chinese are investing in Hollywood movies now. For a communist country they are rather capitalist on their foreign investments.
Yes, the movie wasnt very good, but somehow it was still entertaining for me. The most of movies problems all circled around Garona. She, her dialogs, her relationships, all felt incredibly forced. Every single time she was on screen, there was something that didnt make any sense. Still it was great to see the characters on screen and orcs were pretty cool. 7/10 for me, because it somehow hit a spot for me, despite all the negatives. If I didnt know anything about Warcraft though, objectively 4/10 at best.
Doesn't that just prove that those movies were even worse? I mean being the top in a bunch of really terrible movies isn't really that impressive. It is certainly true that critics and regular people doesn't always like the same thing but we are hardly talking about great numbers here. I assume it is this from IMDB that sparked the whole thing: When it comes to the "Warcraft" film, you couldn't get a more stark difference between the way U.S. and overseas audiences have reacted to it.
The $160 million-budgeted fantasy epic closed out its second weekend domestically with a total of just $37 million. It opened to a mere $24 million and plummeted 73% in its second weekend to $6.5 million - never a good sign. Critics are equally unimpressed with Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes scores around the 30% mark.
Overseas audiences on the other hand, especially in China, are lapping it up to the point that it actually has become the most successful video game movie of all time.
"Warcraft" has earned $339 million from outside the U.S., which accounts for 90% of its total, and over $200 million of that is from China alone. That is extreme, even other films that have flopped domestically and been hits overseas are usually a 25-30% domestic/70-75% international split »
It is a success but only in China. Compared to Tombraider tthis movie did far worse in the west. And it's IMDB vote is not that impressive either, that vote is made by average people, not critics. I certainly understand that many people here enjoyed the movie and that is great but that doesn't make it a huge success no matter what you think. Then again. being huge in China is certainly something, assume that the sequel will be made with that in thought.
Deadline.com initially estimated that it would need to make $500M - and then heard from sources that it cost more than $160M.
In China Warcraft is classed as a quota movie which means production backers, of which AB are one, get back 25% of the revenue. That's over $150M of revenue they will not get back.
Could Warcraft become the biggest video game movie adaptation loss ever?
Now if AB put $50M in the production kitty (say) and they only get back $30M (say) I think they will class it as a $20M advertisement. They can "live" with that. Not the case for the film companies though or cinema companies - they don't have the video game to fall back on.
Only in China did it do well (and to put that in context The Mermaid took c.$700M in China.)
Even if by some miracle they get 70% of the gross. They still haven't made 1 dollar. Don't you need to actually make money before considering a sequel?
Rumor was they need 500million but again that is rumor, normally it is double budget to start making profit. Their marketing in the west is dismal I'm struggling to believe it cost them 300+ million to market it here.
Warcraft is a bit of an enigma considering it was a Chinese invested film and the way money is distributed is quite different than a normal Hollywood production.
Normal is 2.5 times the costs.
To break even its actually 3x the budget
Some info that not many people know. This movie was published by a company owned by Chinese. So it is possible they were able to get the movie into China without any hiccups and without the usual fee's from foreign markets. And because it was also part of NA they might have been able to somehow call it domestic in both China and NA. This also provides us with why exactly it was so popular in China in the first place. Movie publishers are starting to be bi-cultural which helps sell in China unlike never before.
Even if by some miracle they get 70% of the gross. They still haven't made 1 dollar. Don't you need to actually make money before considering a sequel?
Rumor was they need 500million but again that is rumor, normally it is double budget to start making profit. Their marketing in the west is dismal I'm struggling to believe it cost them 300+ million to market it here.
Warcraft is a bit of an enigma considering it was a Chinese invested film and the way money is distributed is quite different than a normal Hollywood production.
Normal is 2.5 times the costs.
To break even its actually 3x the budget
Some info that not many people know. This movie was published by a company owned by Chinese. So it is possible they were able to get the movie into China without any hiccups and without the usual fee's from foreign markets. And because it was also part of NA they might have been able to somehow call it domestic in both China and NA. This also provides us with why exactly it was so popular in China in the first place. Movie publishers are starting to be bi-cultural which helps sell in China unlike never before.
The (state owned) China Film Group entered into an agreement with Legendary (technically Legendary East) films to produce Warcraft (and Seventh Son). They are also responsible for the vast majority of Chinese films and the only company allowed to import (a quota of) overseas films into China. Warcraft is one of the quota of films and subject to the rules on quota films (and the 25%.)
In 2016 Legendary was itself purchased by Wanda Group (not state owned) - which includes Wanda Cinemas and AMC Cinemas. (Wiki lists as 1,616 screens + 94 IMAX in 100 cities, about 6% of Chinese screens and c. 13% of US screens).
Warcraft had already been accepted as a 2016 quota film prior to Wanda Groups acquisition of Legendary.
I would hazard a guess that the China Film Group / state will do OK out of Warcraft. Wanda Group maybe not (lots of different bits - Legendary, AMC and the Wanda Film Group). And for AB I reckon they can class it as advertising - although it may make then thing twice before investing huge sums in CoD films etc.
John Carter is one of my favorite movies. Does it have issues and did they change things they didn't have to change? Yup. Was some of that studio meddling? Yup. Were bad mistakes made by the director? yup.
But in the end it was entertaining and fun and reminded me of old adventure movies. Considering it was originally published in a pulp fiction magazine that makes sense.
yet the critics didn't like it. Bleah to them.
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Good example, I passed on that one in theatres due to critic's ratings. I have watched it a couple of times on Cinemax or something, and while it was enjoyable to watch for a horror fan like me, the critics weren't wrong on that one either.
I do enjoy some movies the critics pan, but in general I'm very wary of the under 50% unless the fans are strongly in favor for it.
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John Carter is one of my favorite movies. Does it have issues and did they change things they didn't have to change? Yup. Was some of that studio meddling? Yup. Were bad mistakes made by the director? yup.
But in the end it was entertaining and fun and reminded me of old adventure movies. Considering it was originally published in a pulp fiction magazine that makes sense.
yet the critics didn't like it. Bleah to them.
I liked John Carter alot, thought Dracula Untold was awesome, but man oh man, I can't even say I like Warcraft with a straight face. It had so much potential but became one of the worst movies I've ever watched. I was in an IMAX 3D theater at prime time first weekend release and there were only a couple of handfuls of people there and no one came out happy. Everyone walked out with the WTF expression. That's bad.
Yes, the movie wasnt very good, but somehow it was still entertaining for me. The most of movies problems all circled around Garona. She, her dialogs, her relationships, all felt incredibly forced. Every single time she was on screen, there was something that didnt make any sense. Still it was great to see the characters on screen and orcs were pretty cool. 7/10 for me, because it somehow hit a spot for me, despite all the negatives. If I didnt know anything about Warcraft though, objectively 4/10 at best.
Yeh it wasn't to bad of a movie. I don't think it deserves the amount of crap it's getting but I think a part of that has something to do with the simple fact that the movie is about a video game. Then multiply that by it being fantasy about Orcs and magic. Sure the LoTR and Hobbit movies were a lot more successful but I know plenty of people who just flat out refused to go see those movies just for the simple fact it's about fantasy. I'm willing to bet that if those movies were based off of LoTRO and there hypothetically never were any books I'm sure they would have done a lot worse in ticket sales.
Overall I think the movie is more of a Warcraft franchise fan service than anything else. People like me who played all of the Warcraft RTS games for the past 20+ years would probably appreciate the movie a little more than someone who has only played WoW or none of the RTS games.
Do I think it's the best movie ever? No, but I have definitely seen worse movies get better praise than Warcraft is getting.
Warcraft has taken massive profits outside of the US, pushing it into the most successful video game movie ever made.
Trumping the likes of Tomb raider, Prince of Persia, Resident evil, Angry birds, pokemon, Doom and many more, proving as always that critic scores don't mean shit to real people.
I would say this is only true if the profits are out of sync with the games.
aka...the most popular selling game is likely to have more sells of the movie by default then games with less a population REGARDLESS of the quality of the movie
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Thanks to china, people who are suckers for anything hollywood. Last year there was a horror movie that did not even make a million $ in US box office but the director released it in china and made 20 million in a week and made huge profit..due to all kind of restrictions and censoring they go for anything that comes out of US. And if it is action packed then even better and if it action packed with the name of their former favorite mmo then it is jackpot for them..
That's why the chinese are investing in Hollywood movies now. For a communist country they are rather capitalist on their foreign investments.
They are socialist not communist. Communism is a whole different level of nonsense, as far as i know china invented socialism, they did not agree with many nonsensical shit of communism due to their conflicting nature with Confucianism. or so i read.
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I enjoyed it and liked the funny moments they threw in. But I'm one of those people who can separate the lore, book, or game from the movie.
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I have almost never agreed with a critic on a movie. I never read their reviews. I prefer regular movie goers reviews. Critics are typically biased morons that like to hear their own voices.
So whatever the critics say, I don't care. At all.
Yeah but... what did YOU think of the movie? I thought it sucked.
It was something like watching someone who is really shitty at telling jokes trying to do so and totally screwing it up. There's a good story in there somewhere.
There was probably enough material left in the cutting room floor that spliced together the right way could have led to a more coherent and interesting other film with better pacing. If there was ever a movie ripe for a "Director's Cut" re-edit, it's this one. That is, assuming it wasn't the director himself who created this messy version.
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So whatever the critics say, I don't care. At all.
Yeah but... what did YOU think of the movie? I thought it sucked.
It was something like watching someone who is really shitty at telling jokes trying to do so and totally screwing it up. There's a good story in there somewhere.
There was probably enough material left in the cutting room floor that spliced together the right way could have led to a more coherent and interesting other film with better pacing. If there was ever a movie ripe for a "Director's Cut" re-edit, it's this one. That is, assuming it wasn't the director himself who created this messy version.
My Fiance and I really enjoyed the movie, there was a couple of things she didn't understand coming from a non warcraft background but i was able to fill in the blanks for her.
I watched it in VMAX 3D the cinema was pretty full (Melbourne, Australia) although like a lot of US places it had very limited screenings which i think is a big deal, that it wasn't given the exposure it should have been which again i think it comes back to this
I thought the 3D was on point, the visual affects for the most part were amazing, some of the acting at times was a bit iffy but not enough to give it the hate that some people seem to want to and not only that.. but it looked incredibly warcraft which was the biggest thing... everything looked like i felt like a warcraft universe should, which is what i think so many people are struggling to comprehend.
The movie is meant to be fantastical.. it's not meant to go for ultimate realism and i think the succeded in that.
Edit - But yes everyone is right in saying the movie needed more screentime, 30 - 50 minutes to kind of open up and elaborate on story lines.
Edit 2 - I almost feel like the need to hate on WoW for being WoW has carried over into the movie and people are looking for any excuse to hate on it and want it to fail like they want WoW to fail.
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I assume it is this from IMDB that sparked the whole thing:
When it comes to the "Warcraft" film, you couldn't get a more stark difference between the way U.S. and overseas audiences have reacted to it.
The $160 million-budgeted fantasy epic closed out its second weekend domestically with a total of just $37 million. It opened to a mere $24 million and plummeted 73% in its second weekend to $6.5 million - never a good sign. Critics are equally unimpressed with Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes scores around the 30% mark.
Overseas audiences on the other hand, especially in China, are lapping it up to the point that it actually has become the most successful video game movie of all time.
"Warcraft" has earned $339 million from outside the U.S., which accounts for 90% of its total, and over $200 million of that is from China alone. That is extreme, even other films that have flopped domestically and been hits overseas are usually a 25-30% domestic/70-75% international split »
It is a success but only in China. Compared to Tombraider tthis movie did far worse in the west. And it's IMDB vote is not that impressive either, that vote is made by average people, not critics. I certainly understand that many people here enjoyed the movie and that is great but that doesn't make it a huge success no matter what you think. Then again. being huge in China is certainly something, assume that the sequel will be made with that in thought.
Deadline.com initially estimated that it would need to make $500M - and then heard from sources that it cost more than $160M.
In China Warcraft is classed as a quota movie which means production backers, of which AB are one, get back 25% of the revenue. That's over $150M of revenue they will not get back.
Could Warcraft become the biggest video game movie adaptation loss ever?
Now if AB put $50M in the production kitty (say) and they only get back $30M (say) I think they will class it as a $20M advertisement. They can "live" with that. Not the case for the film companies though or cinema companies - they don't have the video game to fall back on.
Only in China did it do well (and to put that in context The Mermaid took c.$700M in China.)
In 2016 Legendary was itself purchased by Wanda Group (not state owned) - which includes Wanda Cinemas and AMC Cinemas. (Wiki lists as 1,616 screens + 94 IMAX in 100 cities, about 6% of Chinese screens and c. 13% of US screens).
Warcraft had already been accepted as a 2016 quota film prior to Wanda Groups acquisition of Legendary.
I would hazard a guess that the China Film Group / state will do OK out of Warcraft. Wanda Group maybe not (lots of different bits - Legendary, AMC and the Wanda Film Group). And for AB I reckon they can class it as advertising - although it may make then thing twice before investing huge sums in CoD films etc.
John Carter is one of my favorite movies. Does it have issues and did they change things they didn't have to change? Yup. Was some of that studio meddling? Yup. Were bad mistakes made by the director? yup.
But in the end it was entertaining and fun and reminded me of old adventure movies. Considering it was originally published in a pulp fiction magazine that makes sense.
yet the critics didn't like it. Bleah to them.
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I do enjoy some movies the critics pan, but in general I'm very wary of the under 50% unless the fans are strongly in favor for it.
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Overall I think the movie is more of a Warcraft franchise fan service than anything else. People like me who played all of the Warcraft RTS games for the past 20+ years would probably appreciate the movie a little more than someone who has only played WoW or none of the RTS games.
Do I think it's the best movie ever? No, but I have definitely seen worse movies get better praise than Warcraft is getting.
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aka...the most popular selling game is likely to have more sells of the movie by default then games with less a population REGARDLESS of the quality of the movie
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It was something like watching someone who is really shitty at telling jokes trying to do so and totally screwing it up. There's a good story in there somewhere.
There was probably enough material left in the cutting room floor that spliced together the right way could have led to a more coherent and interesting other film with better pacing. If there was ever a movie ripe for a "Director's Cut" re-edit, it's this one. That is, assuming it wasn't the director himself who created this messy version.
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I watched it in VMAX 3D the cinema was pretty full (Melbourne, Australia) although like a lot of US places it had very limited screenings which i think is a big deal, that it wasn't given the exposure it should have been which again i think it comes back to this
https://m.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4oj5zb/the_industrys_war_on_the_warcraft_movie/
I thought the 3D was on point, the visual affects for the most part were amazing, some of the acting at times was a bit iffy but not enough to give it the hate that some people seem to want to and not only that.. but it looked incredibly warcraft which was the biggest thing... everything looked like i felt like a warcraft universe should, which is what i think so many people are struggling to comprehend.
The movie is meant to be fantastical.. it's not meant to go for ultimate realism and i think the succeded in that.
Edit - But yes everyone is right in saying the movie needed more screentime, 30 - 50 minutes to kind of open up and elaborate on story lines.
Edit 2 - I almost feel like the need to hate on WoW for being WoW has carried over into the movie and people are looking for any excuse to hate on it and want it to fail like they want WoW to fail.