Here's the thing- I don't think it's at all instructive or important to talk about games that have zero onlin-capability when talking about PC gaming.
One of the best things about pc gaming, probably THE best thing, is that they can be online, and allow you to interact with people all over the world. Excluding all of those games with an online competent kind of defeats the purpose of the potential of PC gaming.
I disagree whole-heartedly. While I do believe that it is indeed the current "meta" of PC games to focus on multiplayer (even Stardew Valley is adding MP in, and I'm ecstatic!) I think some of the finest PC games to ever exist were single player games. I'm referring to the Fallout 2's, the Deus Ex's, the Caesar III's of the past. Those are games, in my opinion, that hold up well, even 20 years later. That being said, online games that I consider truly timeless? Diablo 2. Tribes 2. Battlefield 1942. Icewind Dale!
I look at games like those, and I see few contenders in the modern world of games, and that's upsetting. Not even for me; I have my classics to cling on to like a mother holds on to her newborn! But for this generation of gamers, I wonder if they will go back 20 years from now and go "Skyrim held up to the test of time!"
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
"Plus wtf does this thread have to do with MMO's other than a small reference to BDO?"
Not too much other than to mention that BDO is really the only MMORPG worth playing atm and probably will be for awhile.
"This thread is all kinds of.... stuff I am not allowed to say."
Ok. I mean you can say whatever you want I don't give a shit lol.
"So with that being said... it sucks to be you."
I really don't think it does. But that's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't have to suck for any of you- there are tons of games, now more than ever, to at least try and see if you have fun with them.
I really do think it sucks to be you. To hold such an argument with someone... when you are blatantly trying to create a circle jerk thread that failed. To insult me for not reading past the first or second line when you couldn't even make it past the first sentence in a paragraph. To not have an argument to stand on when presented a differing opinion.
And now you are basically saying its a great time for PC Gaming because of BDO?
Yeah I am going to stick with my opinion. It sucks to be you
Here's the thing- I don't think it's at all instructive or important to talk about games that have zero onlin-capability when talking about PC gaming.
One of the best things about pc gaming, probably THE best thing, is that they can be online, and allow you to interact with people all over the world. Excluding all of those games with an online competent kind of defeats the purpose of the potential of PC gaming.
I disagree whole-heartedly. While I do believe that it is indeed the current "meta" of PC games to focus on multiplayer (even Stardew Valley is adding MP in, and I'm ecstatic!) I think some of the finest PC games to ever exist were single player games. I'm referring to the Fallout 2's, the Deus Ex's, the Caesar III's of the past. Those are games, in my opinion, that hold up well, even 20 years later. That being said, online games that I consider truly timeless? Diablo 2. Tribes 2. Battlefield 1942. Icewind Dale!
I look at games like those, and I see few contenders in the modern world of games, and that's upsetting. Not even for me; I have my classics to cling on to like a mother holds on to her newborn! But for this generation of gamers, I wonder if they will go back 20 years from now and go "Skyrim held up to the test of time!"
All those games could have just have easily been made on consoles. The thing that differentiates PC gaming to me, and its future potential, is the online capability.
It's true consoles are online nowadays, but they don't usually work with keyboards or voice or 3rd party programs. There are never a myriad of add-ons to enhance gameplay, such as Discord recently for PC.
"Plus wtf does this thread have to do with MMO's other than a small reference to BDO?"
Not too much other than to mention that BDO is really the only MMORPG worth playing atm and probably will be for awhile.
"This thread is all kinds of.... stuff I am not allowed to say."
Ok. I mean you can say whatever you want I don't give a shit lol.
"So with that being said... it sucks to be you."
I really don't think it does. But that's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't have to suck for any of you- there are tons of games, now more than ever, to at least try and see if you have fun with them.
I really do think it sucks to be you. To hold such an argument with someone... when you are blatantly trying to create a circle jerk thread that failed. To insult me for not reading past the first or second line when you couldn't even make it past the first sentence in a paragraph. To not have an argument to stand on when presented a differing opinion.
And now you are basically saying its a great time for PC Gaming because of BDO?
Yeah I am going to stick with my opinion. It sucks to be you
@holdenhamlet can you explain what differentiates this "era" of PC gaming from the previous eras? What are the defining features of this era?
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
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Not for me. I think it is the greatest era in terms of quantity, but the quality of the games seems to be worse than it was 10-20 years ago.
i cant agree more. before 20 years the games where so much better in every aspect. from kings quest and monkey island to quake arena and doom and from red alert and civilization to lineage 2 and wow. the golden era has gone forever
The gaming industry is making money and there are plenty of games to play. But that does not make this the greatest era of PC gaming.
The elephant in the room the OP did not mention is quality. Graphically apart from most Indy releases the quality is nearly always there. Outside of that gameplay and content wise this is a poor era. It is no coincidence that were Indy shines, gameplay is where mainstream games so often fall.
So yes, plenty of candy in the store but have you tasted some of it? Sickeningly sweet easymode gameplay, with a hole in the middle where content should be.
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I always liked the 80s and 90s when I grew. Computers were new and not many people understood them. Not even the people who were working in the IT field often times.
I miss the 80s style kids who went to the arcade. It was a special time for that style of gaming. I remember playing games like Ikari Warriors and Street Fighter.
The 90s was an awesome time for PC and consoles. There was lots of new hardware coming out for PC, the Internet was new/exciting, lots of new types of games were coming out (2D), and consoles like the NES, SNES, and Genesis were coming out with great games. I had lots of fun in those days. The 90s also gave birth to some of the first big MMOs. This was great because it was a time of experimentation and there were no real rules or standards in game. It was a fairly anarchic time.
I guess I just miss the attitude of gamers in those days. They were a stupid, but passionate bunch. They had their own little niche carved out from the rest of society. Now gaming is everywhere and there are a lot of games to play, but those games are often not as interesting to me even though they have better graphics, sound, and gameplay. Again I think it's to do with the attitude of certain time periods. It was just more fun for me when it was new and only enjoyed by a niche group of people who had certain attitudes.
I do enjoy the games today, but I play them a lot more casually. I'm often more worried about the effects of computer components on my health then I am about having the fastest hardware or the best items in a game. I'm also far more concerned about my comfort when playing games. I don't care if I'm the most accurate shot. I'd rather use a controller so that I don't put a lot of strain on my wrist and can sit in a more comfortable position. The attitude right now is just a lot different. It depends on what you enjoy.
OP was obviously just expressing his/her positive state of mind.
Good for him/her - but is it really worth going on about?
OP was looking to start a fight, er discussion by posting a contoversial and largely unsupportable position. He got one.
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God forbid anyone posts something positive about how he's having fun playing games here. Everything has to be doom and gloom, the night is dark and full of terrors, that kind of stuff.
;-)
This is because people like the OP threaten the gaming ecosystem that others want to maintain and the belief that the gaming scene is horror of horrors not in the doldrums and in decline as others would have us believe. They want to rebuff any attempts by others who happen to enjoy the current stable of games be they MMORPGs or other PC games.
It will not do for people to like what is currently available as attempts to say one likes what games are popular is heresy and will be assailed against in the strongest possible manner often resorting to questions of the poster's intelligence or sanity whichever produces the most affront.
OP was obviously just expressing his/her positive state of mind.
Good for him/her - but is it really worth going on about?
OP was looking to start a fight, er discussion by posting a contoversial and largely unsupportable position. He got one.
MMORPG.com forums working as designed?
God forbid anyone posts something positive about how he's having fun playing games here. Everything has to be doom and gloom, the night is dark and full of terrors, that kind of stuff.
;-)
This is because people like the OP threaten the gaming ecosystem that others want to maintain and the belief that the gaming scene is horror of horrors not in the doldrums and in decline as others would have us believe. They want to rebuff any attempts by others who happen to enjoy the current stable of games be they MMORPGs or other PC games.
It will not do for people to like what is currently available as attempts to say one likes what games are popular is heresy and will be assailed against in the strongest possible manner often resorting to questions of the poster's intelligence or sanity whichever produces the most affront.
I dunno, you guys can be as negative as you want, clearly that's the MO now of this site and your prerogative, but it strikes me as just plain silly when you have more to choose from than ever before, and quality in some areas is unprecedented, and PC gaming shows no sign of stopping improving.
When there is a lot to choose from and none of it even tempts you, does it matter? Again, it's great you're in heaven and have lots play. This is not universally true, though.
Ah yes, "this single game heralds a revolution such as we've never seen before." We're certainly never heard this tune before. It has exactly two chords:
Fan.
Boy.
Yeah except I'm not talking about a single game, I'm talking about the industry as a whole and multiple games.
I dunno, you guys can be as negative as you want, clearly that's the MO now of this site and your prerogative, but it strikes me as just plain silly when you have more to choose from than ever before, and quality in some areas is unprecedented, and PC gaming shows no sign of stopping improving.
Unlimited choice of the mostly average or games to get by on is no choice at all.
Well nothing can possibly live up to Eve Online can it?
Well no, but it's not the Grail, DAOC circa 2003 was, nothing has compared since.
You guys are going to have to explain how the holy grail was blown out of the water by WoW.
The holy grail is now. It's Black Desert. I can't help it if you guys don't have comps able to run it.
When BD tops 20 million subs (is it F2P?), then talk crap.
OP was obviously just expressing his/her positive state of mind.
Good for him/her - but is it really worth going on about?
OP was looking to start a fight, er discussion by posting a contoversial and largely unsupportable position. He got one.
MMORPG.com forums working as designed?
God forbid anyone posts something positive about how he's having fun playing games here. Everything has to be doom and gloom, the night is dark and full of terrors, that kind of stuff.
;-)
This is because people like the OP threaten the gaming ecosystem that others want to maintain and the belief that the gaming scene is horror of horrors not in the doldrums and in decline as others would have us believe. They want to rebuff any attempts by others who happen to enjoy the current stable of games be they MMORPGs or other PC games.
It will not do for people to like what is currently available as attempts to say one likes what games are popular is heresy and will be assailed against in the strongest possible manner often resorting to questions of the poster's intelligence or sanity whichever produces the most affront.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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OP was obviously just expressing his/her positive state of mind.
Good for him/her - but is it really worth going on about?
OP was looking to start a fight, er discussion by posting a contoversial and largely unsupportable position. He got one.
MMORPG.com forums working as designed?
God forbid anyone posts something positive about how he's having fun playing games here. Everything has to be doom and gloom, the night is dark and full of terrors, that kind of stuff.
;-)
Cmon, you know better. Anytime someone claims somthing is the "greatest" there will be a pile on to prove them "wrong", because that's what forums are all about.
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Hey... I didn't say anything was doom and gloom. I just pointed out the reasoning behind it was ridiculous. If anything, his reasoning showed that it's not the greatest time. I even said it's not a bad time for gaming. But using ops reasoning it's certainly not the greatest. Like... oh wow pc has voice chat and 3rd party programs and stuff. Well NONE of that is new. It's all literally over a decade old. I guess I'm just tired of terrible logic and hyperbole.
It's an okay time for gaming. Bad for mmos due to micro transactions. But even micro transactions are starting to get attacked. It'll be a long while till they clean it up and do it right but I look forward to it. Ops circle jerk thread was just short sighted. Plus... he couldn't read past my first sentence and then made that claim of me... of course I'm gonna jump on that.
Ya I am going to have to say that something different appeals to everyone. I hate action combat (Black Desert), hate FPSs (Overwatch), Hate MOBAs (Smite), and you guessed it, Hate CCGs (Hearthstone).
I am part of a dying breed of players who prefers the old fashion model of xp grinding using a puller, a tank, a healer, and some dps. That probably explains why I still play EQ1.
Cmon, you know better. Anytime someone claims somthing is the "greatest" there will be a pile on to prove them "wrong", because that's what forums are all about.
Clearly no one can be "wrong" because "greatest" is subjective and just an opinion. Subjectively it is not wrong for me to say this is the "best" or the "worse" time for PC gaming .. dependent on I like.
OP was obviously just expressing his/her positive state of mind.
Good for him/her - but is it really worth going on about?
OP was looking to start a fight, er discussion by posting a contoversial and largely unsupportable position. He got one.
MMORPG.com forums working as designed?
God forbid anyone posts something positive about how he's having fun playing games here. Everything has to be doom and gloom, the night is dark and full of terrors, that kind of stuff.
;-)
Cmon, you know better. Anytime someone claims somthing is the "greatest" there will be a pile on to prove them "wrong", because that's what forums are all about.
Why are fanboys so incredibly unpopular? Hm, let me think.
@holdenhamlet can you explain what differentiates this "era" of PC gaming from the previous eras? What are the defining features of this era?
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
Mostly the rise of steam and kickstarter. What inspired this thread wasn't so much BDO, but just the fact that every week there's something new and interesting going on.
There's more avenues than ever for small and big Dev teams to make games, and the market is as big as ever.
@holdenhamlet can you explain what differentiates this "era" of PC gaming from the previous eras? What are the defining features of this era?
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
Mostly the rise of steam and kickstarter. What inspired this thread wasn't so much BDO, but just the fact that every week there's something new and interesting going on.
There's more avenues than ever for small and big Dev teams to make games, and the market is as big as ever.
More avenues than ever, yet they all do the same thing: Make crap games trying to suck up to EVERY type of gamer to get the highest cash grab before the mass exodus to the next game, all because they didn't focus on any one niche to have any sort of staying power, or make any notable mark for originality. I mean seriously, I can't argue that there are games like Black Desert that DO look visually appealing, yet I have games made by SSI from over 20 years ago that came on 3 floppy disks that have more actual content than the 4 dvd's worth of flash, glitter, and graphics of todays games.
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I look at games like those, and I see few contenders in the modern world of games, and that's upsetting. Not even for me; I have my classics to cling on to like a mother holds on to her newborn! But for this generation of gamers, I wonder if they will go back 20 years from now and go "Skyrim held up to the test of time!"
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
And now you are basically saying its a great time for PC Gaming because of BDO?
Yeah I am going to stick with my opinion. It sucks to be you
It's true consoles are online nowadays, but they don't usually work with keyboards or voice or 3rd party programs. There are never a myriad of add-ons to enhance gameplay, such as Discord recently for PC.
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
Good for him/her - but is it really worth going on about?
The gaming industry is making money and there are plenty of games to play. But that does not make this the greatest era of PC gaming.
The elephant in the room the OP did not mention is quality. Graphically apart from most Indy releases the quality is nearly always there. Outside of that gameplay and content wise this is a poor era. It is no coincidence that were Indy shines, gameplay is where mainstream games so often fall.
So yes, plenty of candy in the store but have you tasted some of it? Sickeningly sweet easymode gameplay, with a hole in the middle where content should be.
That said, I had more fun with gaming back when I didn't have so many obligations - and a lot more free time.
For me, it peaked around 1993-1996 - with so many of my favorite games, including System Shock, X-Com, Master of Magic, Master of Orion 2 and so on.
But all "eras" have their share of fantastic games.
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I miss the 80s style kids who went to the arcade. It was a special time for that style of gaming. I remember playing games like Ikari Warriors and Street Fighter.
The 90s was an awesome time for PC and consoles. There was lots of new hardware coming out for PC, the Internet was new/exciting, lots of new types of games were coming out (2D), and consoles like the NES, SNES, and Genesis were coming out with great games. I had lots of fun in those days. The 90s also gave birth to some of the first big MMOs. This was great because it was a time of experimentation and there were no real rules or standards in game. It was a fairly anarchic time.
I guess I just miss the attitude of gamers in those days. They were a stupid, but passionate bunch. They had their own little niche carved out from the rest of society. Now gaming is everywhere and there are a lot of games to play, but those games are often not as interesting to me even though they have better graphics, sound, and gameplay. Again I think it's to do with the attitude of certain time periods. It was just more fun for me when it was new and only enjoyed by a niche group of people who had certain attitudes.
I do enjoy the games today, but I play them a lot more casually. I'm often more worried about the effects of computer components on my health then I am about having the fastest hardware or the best items in a game. I'm also far more concerned about my comfort when playing games. I don't care if I'm the most accurate shot. I'd rather use a controller so that I don't put a lot of strain on my wrist and can sit in a more comfortable position. The attitude right now is just a lot different. It depends on what you enjoy.
It will not do for people to like what is currently available as attempts to say one likes what games are popular is heresy and will be assailed against in the strongest possible manner often resorting to questions of the poster's intelligence or sanity whichever produces the most affront.
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It's an okay time for gaming. Bad for mmos due to micro transactions. But even micro transactions are starting to get attacked. It'll be a long while till they clean it up and do it right but I look forward to it. Ops circle jerk thread was just short sighted. Plus... he couldn't read past my first sentence and then made that claim of me... of course I'm gonna jump on that.
There's more avenues than ever for small and big Dev teams to make games, and the market is as big as ever.