Black Desert Online Over a 1 Million players Strong

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rojoArcueid

Glad it is doing well. I stopped playing a while ago. Waiting for international service (from another publisher) so i can play with my ip locked friends.

ceratop001

Every time I log on the population seems good and healthy.

Quizzical

Even without great retention, one million accounts bought sure beats 1 million free accounts created, 90% of which never paid a dime.

mbrodie

Quizzical said:

Even without great retention, one million accounts bought sure beats 1 million free accounts created, 90% of which never paid a dime.

not if a large portion of players successfully charged back their purchases after getting banned..

which they did because the publisher refused to respond to any claims for chargeback

Mikeha

Good to see the game doing well. As long as they keep the content coming and control the hacks the game will continue to see success. 

Take notes 

Mikeha

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Mikeha

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

holdenhamlet

It's good news.  Game doesn't have to be some kind of wild success for me- as long as they can keep the servers going and do updates, I'm happy.

It's a niche game with a niche set of PC requirements, so I wouldn't expect it to break any records.

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ianicus

1 million accounts created and ACTIVE players are very different things, haven't played it in some time, got bored quick.

Mikeha

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

Game companies give press stories that make them look good - this is why you see stuff like "total registered players" and "reached 1 million players" etc...

It sounds good - but what they don't tell you is that this is what happens over time - the total number of players *over time* goes up inevitably, but active players are a fraction of the reported number.

When games have impressive active player numbers - those get reported too - like League of Legends - reporting 11 million ACTIVE monthly players back in 2011

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20140910/508/115-million-playing-lol-each-month



Bottom line - all of these are "hey look how good we are doing" free marketing stories to boost player morale and attract more players.

IMO only the ACTIVE player numbers are the real story - and these are rarely reported because most games don't have great active player numbers.

League Of Legends is mobo, I said mmorpg. You already know this so why even mention LOL?

MMORPGs do not report active numbers anymore because their is no point. 

If you want to know how many people are playing then log on and find out. This is what the publishers and devs are doing and I would do the same. 

Why would they need to give you their active sub numbers? How does that benefit them?


I keep telling you all that "Everything is working as intended"

observer

ianicus said:

1 million accounts created and ACTIVE players are very different things, haven't played it in some time, got bored quick.

It's still impressive for an asian mmo in the west.  The only thing that really matters is concurrent players, not necessarily active, because without others online at the same time, it's harder to do things.

As a side note, i hope they stay strong and keep it B2P.

SoloAnything

You can't call player numbers if you are not a subscription mmorpg, I did beta on it do they count me too in the 1mil? I saw I tried and moved on not my cup of tea. Now if SE comes up and says 1mil subs for ff14 sounds like a real number as they have the subs that backs it up. Just ask how many bought the starter BDO pack and quit in a month?

Dullahan

Recore said:

League Of Legends is mobo, I said mmorpg. You already know this so why even mention LOL?

MMORPGs do not report active numbers anymore because their is no point. 

Ya, theres no point because the games aren't good enough to keep a sizeable long term playerbase.

Mikeha

Dullahan said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

Game companies give press stories that make them look good - this is why you see stuff like "total registered players" and "reached 1 million players" etc...

It sounds good - but what they don't tell you is that this is what happens over time - the total number of players *over time* goes up inevitably, but active players are a fraction of the reported number.

When games have impressive active player numbers - those get reported too - like League of Legends - reporting 11 million ACTIVE monthly players back in 2011

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20140910/508/115-million-playing-lol-each-month



Bottom line - all of these are "hey look how good we are doing" free marketing stories to boost player morale and attract more players.

IMO only the ACTIVE player numbers are the real story - and these are rarely reported because most games don't have great active player numbers.

League Of Legends is mobo, I said mmorpg. You already know this so why even mention LOL?

MMORPGs do not report active numbers anymore because their is no point. 

Ya, theres no point because the games aren't good enough to keep a sizeable long term playerbase.

Says you. 


That is your opinion and it does not matter. 



This is what the devs / publishers are saying to people that think like you do. 

Dullahan

Recore said:

Dullahan said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

Game companies give press stories that make them look good - this is why you see stuff like "total registered players" and "reached 1 million players" etc...

It sounds good - but what they don't tell you is that this is what happens over time - the total number of players *over time* goes up inevitably, but active players are a fraction of the reported number.

When games have impressive active player numbers - those get reported too - like League of Legends - reporting 11 million ACTIVE monthly players back in 2011

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20140910/508/115-million-playing-lol-each-month



Bottom line - all of these are "hey look how good we are doing" free marketing stories to boost player morale and attract more players.

IMO only the ACTIVE player numbers are the real story - and these are rarely reported because most games don't have great active player numbers.

League Of Legends is mobo, I said mmorpg. You already know this so why even mention LOL?

MMORPGs do not report active numbers anymore because their is no point. 

Ya, theres no point because the games aren't good enough to keep a sizeable long term playerbase.

Says you. 


That is your opinion and it does not matter. 



This is what the devs / publishers are saying to people that think like you do. 

They wish it was only "my opinion", and apparently so do you.

XxPriestxX

Recore said:

Dullahan said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

Game companies give press stories that make them look good - this is why you see stuff like "total registered players" and "reached 1 million players" etc...

It sounds good - but what they don't tell you is that this is what happens over time - the total number of players *over time* goes up inevitably, but active players are a fraction of the reported number.

When games have impressive active player numbers - those get reported too - like League of Legends - reporting 11 million ACTIVE monthly players back in 2011

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20140910/508/115-million-playing-lol-each-month



Bottom line - all of these are "hey look how good we are doing" free marketing stories to boost player morale and attract more players.

IMO only the ACTIVE player numbers are the real story - and these are rarely reported because most games don't have great active player numbers.

League Of Legends is mobo, I said mmorpg. You already know this so why even mention LOL?

MMORPGs do not report active numbers anymore because their is no point. 

Ya, theres no point because the games aren't good enough to keep a sizeable long term playerbase.

Says you. 


That is your opinion and it does not matter. 



This is what the devs / publishers are saying to people that think like you do. 

That was YOUR opinion and doesn't matter. We like D, his opinion matters.... as much as any of ours =P

Quizzical

DMKano said:

Quizzical said:

Even without great retention, one million accounts bought sure beats 1 million free accounts created, 90% of which never paid a dime.

Correct - but F2P games usually have WAY more than 1 million accounts - over time it gets to HUGE numbers like 60mil accounts for World of Tanks, or ArcheAge hitting 2 million accounts one month post launch.

Since there is no entry fee - the number of accounts over time gets ridiculous for F2P games - many don't pay a dime - but depending on HOW the game is monetized - it can make huge amounts of cash regardless (ArcheAge and Neverwinter online are great examples)


Also most of profits for BDO will be from the cash shop over time, the cash shop is the real cash cow.

Example Neverwinter Online F2P launch - 7mil in less than 48 hours.

My point is largely that the numbers aren't comparable.  If Black Desert makes $50 per account with 1 million accounts and some free to play makes $5 per account with 10 million accounts, that's the same money either way.  But 1 million accounts is much less than 10 million accounts, which can make the game look far less successsful.

Mikeha

xXPriestXx said:

Recore said:

Dullahan said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

Game companies give press stories that make them look good - this is why you see stuff like "total registered players" and "reached 1 million players" etc...

It sounds good - but what they don't tell you is that this is what happens over time - the total number of players *over time* goes up inevitably, but active players are a fraction of the reported number.

When games have impressive active player numbers - those get reported too - like League of Legends - reporting 11 million ACTIVE monthly players back in 2011

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20140910/508/115-million-playing-lol-each-month



Bottom line - all of these are "hey look how good we are doing" free marketing stories to boost player morale and attract more players.

IMO only the ACTIVE player numbers are the real story - and these are rarely reported because most games don't have great active player numbers.

League Of Legends is mobo, I said mmorpg. You already know this so why even mention LOL?

MMORPGs do not report active numbers anymore because their is no point. 

Ya, theres no point because the games aren't good enough to keep a sizeable long term playerbase.

Says you. 


That is your opinion and it does not matter. 



This is what the devs / publishers are saying to people that think like you do. 

That was YOUR opinion and doesn't matter. We like D, his opinion matters.... as much as any of ours =P

I said that mmos do not give out active player numbers anymore. 


That is a fact unless you can prove it wrong. 


And I am not talking about mobas. 

Ramajama

Some folks just never give up lol. 

1 mil boxes sold is awesome and hopefully Pearl Abyss will make another great mmo in future. 

Population is as healthy as ever and good content on the way!

Renoaku

I tried BDO after the changes to the XingCode3 spyware that no longer seem to make it run all the time anymore, but still the game was too "(PAY 2 ENJOY) as in having to spend like $40 per custom costume set if you want one, and housing with furniture that has to constantly be replaced, items with charges which cost to replace if from cash shop and so on...

Over-All the game was designed to be a money sink for those who want maximum enjoyment out of a game and so I cant see it being really worth the cost, not to mention they delay content released on U.S versions, and the hackers that went rampant, as well as cheaters who already ruined the game its awful...

Over-All there are better games or have to be better than Black Desert, if it wasn't for their cash shop the way it is, and the hackers I would be playing.

Kyleran

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

NCSoft still provide sub numbers where relevant, EVE tells you how many other accounts are logged in with you so yes there are still a few companies publishing numbers that are actually relevant.

But it is very few.

Let's put the BDO announcement in proper perspective.  Last year CCP announced 1.5M new players tried EVE, but most were not retained.

BDO has hit the 1M player mark, but this may include everyone who has ever created an account, even me who did a 7 day guest pass.

Put in this light the 1M Players really isn't that impressive, just a marketing gimmick really.

kitarad

I am not surprised every  major town I go the warehouse guy is ten people deep.

Ramajama

Kyleran said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Recore said:

DMKano said:

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?

Retention has not been great, which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays

How many people are actively playing TERA, ESO, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Wars The Old Republic or any mmo?

Which part of this was not clear:

"which is the problem with pretty much every MMO nowdays"

??

What part of what I asked was not clear? 




You said, 

Grats on 1 million players - but how many are still playing actively?


You are asking for something from Black Desert that no other mmos give. Even sub mmos like WoW, Eve and Final Fantasy XIV do not give sub numbers. That does not make sense to ask something that you know mmos do not give. 

But this sounds like something you would say about Black Desert. 

NCSoft still provide sub numbers where relevant, EVE tells you how many other accounts are logged in with you so yes there are still a few companies publishing numbers that are actually relevant.

But it is very few.

Let's put the BDO announcement in proper perspective.  Last year CCP announced 1.5M new players tried EVE, but most were not retained.

BDO has hit the 1M player mark, but this may include everyone who has ever created an account, even me who did a 7 day guest pass.

Put in this light the 1M Players really isn't that impressive, just a marketing gimmick really.

The fact that in EVE significant number of players have a LOT of accounts multiboxing distorts that "relevant" number.

I, as a player, care about number of other unique players, not number of boxes present in the empty universe. 

ZArmiZ

BDO = people come and go ( 3 out of 10 maybe stick with the game after 1 month )