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The Value Pack- A Sub? P2W? The end of the world?!!! Or a good thing?
holdenhamlet
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So out of the blue today we have "the Value Pack" in BDO.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/103349-introducing-the-value-pack/
This pack contains some serious perks- roughly 20% more from Auction house sales (this can amount to A LOT of silver, especially over the long term), unlimited dying using any dyes in the game, unlimited physical appearance customization (face and body), and some other perks like 10% xp gain. These perks last 30 days. It costs $15.
Everyone who purchased the game will get a coupon for a free pack on the 22nd to try it out (and get hooked on it, no doubt).
It's basically a "soft subscription". You can surely play the game without it, and indefinitely and have full access to everything, but if you're serious about the game you're almost definitely going to want to be running with this pack.
So what do you guys think? Is this a good or bad thing? Some are even claiming p2w. I'd argue it's not p2w because while you are paying for an advantage, it's not the same as dropping $1k and obtaining permanent god mode like in most p2w games (archeage, bns, etc).
For me personally, I'm a little relieved to see it. With the game being p2w in other regions, I found it hard to believe the game could stay free from p2w indefinitely without some kind of regular reliable income other than mostly cosmetic cash shop items. This value pack makes me believe it can.
And for $15 a month it's definitely got a lot of value. It will be really nice to dye my character whatever I want and change her look to whatever I want. And the extra few millions from the auction house sales a day should be nice too.
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/103349-introducing-the-value-pack/
This pack contains some serious perks- roughly 20% more from Auction house sales (this can amount to A LOT of silver, especially over the long term), unlimited dying using any dyes in the game, unlimited physical appearance customization (face and body), and some other perks like 10% xp gain. These perks last 30 days. It costs $15.
Everyone who purchased the game will get a coupon for a free pack on the 22nd to try it out (and get hooked on it, no doubt).
It's basically a "soft subscription". You can surely play the game without it, and indefinitely and have full access to everything, but if you're serious about the game you're almost definitely going to want to be running with this pack.
So what do you guys think? Is this a good or bad thing? Some are even claiming p2w. I'd argue it's not p2w because while you are paying for an advantage, it's not the same as dropping $1k and obtaining permanent god mode like in most p2w games (archeage, bns, etc).
For me personally, I'm a little relieved to see it. With the game being p2w in other regions, I found it hard to believe the game could stay free from p2w indefinitely without some kind of regular reliable income other than mostly cosmetic cash shop items. This value pack makes me believe it can.
And for $15 a month it's definitely got a lot of value. It will be really nice to dye my character whatever I want and change her look to whatever I want. And the extra few millions from the auction house sales a day should be nice too.
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I am subbing for sure since I support the games I enjoy.
Customization includes the clothing I suppose ? That is a huge plus for me and the inventory and weight too is a boon.
They probably would have started a forest fire if they gave away outfits with the sub since people like me spent 30 bucks on theirs.
I'm already a little bummed I spent all my loyalties so far on dyes when I didn't need to.
I think it's a horrible thing, I'm sure many people who logged in to see ninja logged right back out and uninstalled.
They told us they wouldn't add this exact thing in from the RU version, then they turn around and add it in. This loses them credibility.
I'm glad you're 'relieved' I'm personally disgusted, yet not surprised.
Edit: The inventory size is the biggest inconvenience that they artificially built in to the game. I don't really care what I look like so I don't care about the limited loot looks without the cash shop.
One thing that turns me off to a game faster than anything else, is when there is this feeling of "gotta have it" based on game mechanics vs. cash shop. If the game makes me feel like there is something missing, then put the answer in the shop............it doesn't change that something is missing. It's still missing. I am playing FFXIV and have no such feelings in the game. There is no Cash Shop nagging at me saying....."if you only had this......." you'd be having more fun. For all the reasons I quit SWTOR, the Cash Shop wasn't one. For one who subbed, there was little in the shop I wanted or felt I needed. Oddly enough, I didn't even find a reason to spend my monthly CC allowance in that game. GW2 wasn't terrible in this regard, but they weren't great either. How does BDO compare in this category? And don't misunderstand the question. I'm not asking if it's enjoyable without spending money, I'm asking, are they building "inconvenience" into the game so they can sell "Items of convenience"?
I don't recall them ever saying they'd never bring this kind of soft sub to our version- do you have a citation for that? They've said they won't be bringing p2w elements like the items that increase your chances to enhance items, but not this, not that I've seen.
I really like BDO and see myself playing it for years. That won't happen if the game goes p2w. This soft sub makes it reasonable to think that it won't, because the game will be profitable enough without p2w.
As has been stated, this seems more like a reward to the player base than anything. I mean, they could have done a lot more P2W'ee things without sacrificing the player base IMO.
All they need to do is make costume prices much more reasonable and I would probably buy the game. And very likely sub. But as long as the costume prices are the way they are, I'm not very tempted.
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I agree. IMHO, gear acquisition is the worst part of BDO. Though BDO checks off on many of my game play preferences, it sorely lacks in the area of gear acquisition via mob combat loot. Looking forward to the anticipation of being able to upgrade gear through mob loot acquisition is one of the biggest draws in an MMORPG for me, and there just isn't a whole lot of that in BDO. That may change in time but at the moment it appears to be an area in which BDO is sorely lacking.
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I don't play the game anymore and I won't ever play it again, I just think this would be the right thing for them to do.
GW2 has currency conversion. Secret World has paid content updates. I don't want either of those for BDO. And that's just for B2P games- f2p is a generally a cesspool of p2w.
I don't see it as a step going anywhere, but instead the other shoe dropping. We'll see, I could be wrong.
"I understand they are just trying to make money but they could of done others things not this move."
Like what, for example?
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DMKano talked about losing inventory space when you drop a sub. What about losing access to part of the game- that strikes me as worse.
They promised early on that all future updates would be free with the box price. Maybe they shouldn't have done that and charged for them, but I don't think so. I also don't like the idea of charging for classes.
Clearly what is acceptable is different for every person. My line is drawn at p2w, but I also don't like artificially locking anyone out of content unless they pay.
Like I said, I really do wish every game could just do the WoW model of box price and sub and you get the whole deal, but that really does seem like a past for MMORPGs that aren't WoW.
Yes, they planed the inconvenience from the start. They were at a meeting where they were all twisting their mustaches while lusting of all the money they would make. And they would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling cheapskates.
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