Why Can't You Find A Game?

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VestigeGamer

Players are the #1 reason for me.  The genre now attracts players who do not even want to play MMORPGs, but rather single player online unlimited hobo murderer simulations.  Gone are the virtual worlds where player action/interaction mattered.  Everything is automated, laid out, and quickly "beaten."  We never used to "win" MMORPGs.

"What we do know is that there are more MMO games out today than there ever has been in the genre's history. "

And most of them are the exact same gameplay.

Scorchien

Yea , people need to just except it and hunker down in a game  or 2 and  play them for what they are, become part of the community as was intended , And stop running off to every shiny that comes along .. Hoping for the perfect game , But seems people never learn .. Revelation will be the new shiny Turd every one runs to , then drops ..

  Some folks can look in the big Backyard Of MMOS and see the dogpies and know to avoid them , Other folks to need to run out in there and get it on there shoes to realize it stinks..

Mardukk

Well OP there is a huge gap in what is available in the genre.  People that don't like linear quest hub themeparks are already forced to pick from maybe Eve and Archeage and BDO.  If you don't like Eve or Asian games you are screwed.

Frankly, I'm really tired of OP's like yours telling people that want some freedom in a virtual world with risk vs reward and challenging tactical combat, that they should suck it up and play faceroll linear quest themeparks.   I know many other old school gamers are desperately looking for something.  I played Darkfall UW and BDO recently and they were ok as stop gaps.  I don't like PvP much and I played Darkfall for two years, if that tells you anything.

Maybe if the Repopulation MMO, Pantheon...or some of these other tiny indie MMO's come out in playable shape there will be options, but they aren't close to out.  Save your OP for a time when some of these indie's have released.  Until then, you can shove it.

goboygo

I have to eat a little crow here, I've done some bashing on SOTA, poor performance sloppy combat.  But I have to admit after spending the weekend with this game I will be there for the final wipe on Wednesday to start fresh.  The game has come along way since I last tested it, and allot of the things I complain about as missing features in newer MMO's are there in SOTA, I just didnt get far enough along to realize it.

I've found a good guild to start with, so I'm going to say I was wrong and dive in.

anemo

I'm playing two games right now.

EvE Online
and
Screeps

Both offer outstanding open world PvPer with MASSIVE loss.   but treated in a sane way, and with economical/social/skill factors that limits the damage that a murder hobo can do.

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H0urg1ass

I've been playing two of the most hated games on these forums for several years now; EVE and Age of Conan.  For me these two games get as close to perfect as can be for their genre.  I like a good, deep and engaging sandbox and I like low fantasy with a bit of the ole ultra violence.

I think one of the possible reaons that people are burning through 10 MMORPG's and then becoming forum warriors is because they really just don't like MMORPG's.  Liking the standard RPG genre is no real indication that someone will like MMORPG's, but I think some people are trying to shoehorn their tastes into a genre that isn't compatible with them.

Liking Mass Effect is no indication that you'll like SWTOR.  Although they play somewhat similarly in parts, they are radically different in many areas.

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waynejr2

H0urg1ass said:

I've been playing two of the most hated games on these forums for several years now; EVE and Age of Conan.  For me these two games get as close to perfect as can be for their genre.  I like a good, deep and engaging sandbox and I like low fantasy with a bit of the ole ultra violence.

I think one of the possible reaons that people are burning through 10 MMORPG's and then becoming forum warriors is because they really just don't like MMORPG's.  Liking the standard RPG genre is no real indication that someone will like MMORPG's, but I think some people are trying to shoehorn their tastes into a genre that isn't compatible with them.

Liking Mass Effect is no indication that you'll like SWTOR.  Although they play somewhat similarly in parts, they are radically different in many areas.

I simply think some of them were just bored with what they were doing before they came to mmoRPG and now think they are mmorpg players.

There is also the group who has lists of what they won't play.  These lists and talking about it on forum has become the game they are playing. 

The real trick was said by Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

Theocritus

More does not necessarily equal better.....Ive learned that in every phase of life....QUality is way mroe important than quantity in most cases.

Xyire

I'm currently at a loss as to what game to play, I've tried many of them and found a number of them that were quite good and I played for quite a while - so I fit the bill here of folks wishing they had a game to play.  

I still go back and play the new wow expansions, but feel like the game is moving more and more towards a psuedo-lobby style play - easy to get into, short play sessions, but not a strong virtual world feel.  I find the world feels the most alive when the new expansions drop and everyone's leveling and I really enjoy that part of the game (so that's when I play).  I've played a ton of others, some I liked a lot for a while but changed or got old.

I just haven't found something I want to stick with at the moment. For now, I'm playing LoL and 7dtd (7dtd is amazing btw, not an mmo, but really good) while I wait for something like Pantheon, Crowfall, CoE, darkfall new dawn or whatever other new game comes out that might put a new spin on the genre and make gameplay more challenging (optionally or not) and the world feel more like a world.  I really like games where the mobs can kill you and accomplishing an extra hard feat gets suitably rewarded.

Having said that, I do feel like there isn't really a game out there that I really want to play.  I don't think stepping away is necessarily the right answer. Really everyone who comes on here bashing everything probably used to have an mmorpg they loved to play and is really just saying the same thing "I miss having an mmo i really liked."  Not having one can be because your favorite shut down, or patches changed it to be a game you're no longer enjoying.  I think people currently not enjoying mmorpgs should speak out - I understand they tend to be overly hostile, but it's almost assuredly from their love of a previous mmorpg not from a hate of the genre. They may be a minority these days but if everyone who had a mmorpg they enjoyed but can't find one currently walked away, developers wouldn't know that that population even existed anymore.

Renoaku

The big problem with MMO today is the developers and pay 2 enjoy / pay 2 win aspects it ruined many games, and many great games like Black Desert ruined by developers with all the hackers, xingcode3, and pay 2 enjoy aspects of the game + cash shop prices insane, not to mention class system is old.

Daikuru

Most MMOs ive played in the last years always lacked something important to me, if its content, pvp, pve, questing, gameplay or payment model, thats why i couldnt stick to MMOs for a few years now.

But thats ok because im optimistic that there will be 1 or 2 upcoming games ill like to play for a while.

Kyleran

Well, I'm fortunate that I enjoy playing EVE, because outside of that one title not a lot else out there currently is of interest.

If I am lucky perhaps one or two indie titles underway may come through one day.

But there really are few good choices for players who favor certain game designs and it's not their fault they aren't really available.

Nor should they have to settle for titles they don't enjoy.

As once was said in a movie...."we will not go quietly into the night"  

c0exist

MMO's arent what they used to be, they have evolved into something unrecognizable.  For myself I had to resort to playing an mmo thats 14 years old because there is nothing with substance.  All these years trying to make the genre better and they killed it.  Got to go back to its roots.  Or else change the genre name and keep evolving it. because in my eyes there has not been a new mmo since 2006.

waynejr2

Xodic said:

I understand and even agree with the message to an extent, but this is a forum. It's a place that promotes discussion from a variety of different views. If everyone that was upset with the current state of things stepped away, then these forums would essentially just be a place to pat each other on the back in agreeance. I think I know of what instances you are referring to and even if the views aren't always presented in a tactful way, it's our option to read them.

I guess in way, I would encourage people to just post what ever is on their minds - even you blueturtle  

Why couldn't it be a place to discuss new things instead of what we have here now?  That is a pretty limited spin you are putting on it. 

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holdenhamlet

There definitely are more choices than ever.  I do agree that people should consider looking at themselves rather than the genre.

But keep in mind forums are in general negative.  If you're happy with your game, you're far less likely to be on a forum talking about it- because you're in your game playing it.

It would be nice if people could be constructive with their negativity or at least be happy for others that have found games they enjoy- but not having a game to play when you're a gamer is a frustrating experience that I myself have felt, so I sympathize.

Last year was rough for me in the gaming department- I couldn't find a single MMO to play that I hadn't already played through or despised, so I spent the whole year playing Hearthstone and SMITE.  I like both those games, but I'm an MMORPG player at heart, so it sucked.

If I couldn't find even those games to play, I'd have been climbing the walls.  

I too find it a bit annoying when I see post after post about how the genre is supposedly dead or whatever, but I also think, "There but for the grace of God (and my taste in games) go I".

Vermillion_Raventhal

The genre is like living in a quiet town thats growing a unique market.  One business booms and suddenly big business pops up.  Before you know it the whole town is booming and catering to tourist.  The nice charming town you had before is gone.  All types of cheap tourist traps emerge.  

Then suddenly there's no more money to be had and everyone stops investing.  Tourist are visiting less.  But your little quaint town is gone and changed forever.  The unique market that was growing is changed to something nearly unrecognizable and you have no clue how to get it back.  You just wonder how it would have been if it evolved at its previous pace.

craftseeker

Kyleran said:

Well, I'm fortunate that I enjoy playing EVE, because outside of that one title not a lot else out there currently is of interest.

If I am lucky perhaps one or two indie titles underway may come through one day.

But there really are few good choices for players who favor certain game designs and it's not their fault they aren't really available.

Nor should they have to settle for titles they don't enjoy.

As once was said in a movie...."we will not go quietly into the night"  

Actually the lines are:
Do not go gentle into that goodnight,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

It is a poem by Dylan Thomas https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/do-not-go-gentle-good-night

craftseeker

waynejr2 said:

Xodic said:

I understand and even agree with the message to an extent, but this is a forum. It's a place that promotes discussion from a variety of different views. If everyone that was upset with the current state of things stepped away, then these forums would essentially just be a place to pat each other on the back in agreeance. I think I know of what instances you are referring to and even if the views aren't always presented in a tactful way, it's our option to read them.

I guess in way, I would encourage people to just post what ever is on their minds - even you blueturtle  

Why couldn't it be a place to discuss new things instead of what we have here now?  That is a pretty limited spin you are putting on it. 

Not sure how limiting the discussion to 'new things' is broader than encouraging 'people to just post whatever is on their minds'.

But fortunately our hosts here at MMORPG.com alllow free discussion, within very broad limits.

waynejr2

craftseeker said:

waynejr2 said:

Xodic said:

I understand and even agree with the message to an extent, but this is a forum. It's a place that promotes discussion from a variety of different views. If everyone that was upset with the current state of things stepped away, then these forums would essentially just be a place to pat each other on the back in agreeance. I think I know of what instances you are referring to and even if the views aren't always presented in a tactful way, it's our option to read them.

I guess in way, I would encourage people to just post what ever is on their minds - even you blueturtle  

Why couldn't it be a place to discuss new things instead of what we have here now?  That is a pretty limited spin you are putting on it. 

Not sure how limiting the discussion to 'new things' is broader than encouraging 'people to just post whatever is on their minds'.

But fortunately our hosts here at MMORPG.com alllow free discussion, within very broad limits.

AH, that good old letting people post whatever is on their mind.  Guess we don't have anything to f-ing talk about then.

craftseeker

waynejr2 said:

craftseeker said:

waynejr2 said:

Xodic said:

I understand and even agree with the message to an extent, but this is a forum. It's a place that promotes discussion from a variety of different views. If everyone that was upset with the current state of things stepped away, then these forums would essentially just be a place to pat each other on the back in agreeance. I think I know of what instances you are referring to and even if the views aren't always presented in a tactful way, it's our option to read them.

I guess in way, I would encourage people to just post what ever is on their minds - even you blueturtle  

Why couldn't it be a place to discuss new things instead of what we have here now?  That is a pretty limited spin you are putting on it. 

Not sure how limiting the discussion to 'new things' is broader than encouraging 'people to just post whatever is on their minds'.

But fortunately our hosts here at MMORPG.com alllow free discussion, within very broad limits.

AH, that good old letting people post whatever is on their mind.  Guess we don't have anything to f-ing talk about then.

?? Strange inversion there: allowing people to talk means not having anything to talk about.

Sorry to see you grumpy tonight, you can usually be relied upon to bring wit and good humour to the discussion. Calming the waters with good cheer.

Kyleran

craftseeker said:

Kyleran said:

Well, I'm fortunate that I enjoy playing EVE, because outside of that one title not a lot else out there currently is of interest.

If I am lucky perhaps one or two indie titles underway may come through one day.

But there really are few good choices for players who favor certain game designs and it's not their fault they aren't really available.

Nor should they have to settle for titles they don't enjoy.

As once was said in a movie...."we will not go quietly into the night"  

Actually the lines are:
Do not go gentle into that goodnight,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

It is a poem by Dylan Thomas https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/do-not-go-gentle-good-night

No, actually it was "President" Thomas J. Whitmore in the movie "Independence Day" I was quoting.  

"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive!"

Kyleran

blueturtle13 said:

Kyleran said:

Well, I'm fortunate that I enjoy playing EVE, because outside of that one title not a lot else out there currently is of interest.

If I am lucky perhaps one or two indie titles underway may come through one day.

But there really are few good choices for players who favor certain game designs and it's not their fault they aren't really available.

Nor should they have to settle for titles they don't enjoy.

As once was said in a movie...."we will not go quietly into the night"  

I can agree with that to a point. The issue is there are more games now than ever before and on top of that most of the games of the 'past' are still running. Yes the market may have evolved in a way that some gamers may not like but that is part of the way it works. Things cycle. Some of the old school style of games are being designed again and have been shown and provide a level of hope and promise.
 If someone wants a game like the old days of EQ and AC while they wait, well they can go play them.
Games like that still run today.
Games like Anarchy Online,Everquest (or Project 1999), Asheron's Call (even AC2),
SWGEmu, WAR (PS),Lineage 2,EQ2, DAoC and EVE are all still running. Or you can play something like Project Gorgon if you want that AC/EQ feel with a fresher (yet still rough) paint job.
I understand that some people will not want to play any of those games, mainly because of the graphics. (Let's be honest) but they are there.
My point is if there is not a game out there that you want to spend time on then whining and bashing others on forums for the game they love is not the answer. Just step away until something comes out that may strike a cord with you. It all comes down to personal taste. If the food offered is not to your liking then step away from the table and explore some other genres until something comes to the table that suits your palette.     

Outside of the somewhat illegal Emus, most modern versions of classic games (UO, EQ, DAOC etc) have changed so much as to be almost unrecognizable so really aren't viable play options.

One of EVE's big draws to me is it remains very true to the core designs that I enjoyed in 2007 when I started despite the changes over the years.

While I love DAOC, the modern version isn't much at all like the game from it's early days.

Fortunately this fall I'm going to get a chance to re-live some of the magic when a new shard opens with a 2002 ruleset which they plan to progress into the early SI rule set launch (2003) and stop.

Most of the players will be from the same era so it really will come pretty close to the original experience.

Bonus: these guys are actually better at stopping cheaters than Mythic ever was, because they don't have to error on the side of caution since they aren't selling anything.

But yeah, outside of efforts like this or project 1999, not much out currently of interest to folks like me.