PlayStation VR requires about 60-square feet of space

SEANMCAD

http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/29/12321092/playstation-vr-space-requirement

ouch so much for small RVs

FlyByKnight

All VR games require this IMO.

SEANMCAD

FlyByKnight said:

All VR games require this IMO.

they dont. Oculus only requires 3' in front of you and many of the games the play space is only about 3' squared. Reason I know this is because I live in an RV so space is very much an issue

simsalabim77

So, I have to move my several hundred pound couch and coffee table to a different part of the room every time I want to use VR?. No thanks. 

FlyByKnight

You're one person... who apparently is heavily vested in the success of VR head goggles. Best of luck though.

SEANMCAD

simsalabim77 said:

So, I have to move my several hundred pound couch and coffee table to a different part of the room every time I want to use VR?. No thanks. 

yeah I think the distance requirement for the camera on the Sony needs to be lower like it is for the Rift

Rusque

FlyByKnight said:

You're one person... who apparently is heavily vested in the success of VR head goggles. Best of luck though.

But but, I heard 74% of gamers want VR!

However, you can't find said gamers on the interent (or real life) for whatever reason. They're a very difficult 74% to track down. It seems like such a huge majority should be easy to bump into but they're not here on mmorpg.com, not the verge, not on wired, not on ars technica, not on IGN, not on Kotaku, not on PC gamer, I dunno - I participate in lots of communities but I can't for the life of me find all these VR lovers. Maybe they're on the Oculus Rift forums or something.

By the way, VR games up to 80% off on Steam for all you 74% of gamers out there!

SEANMCAD

Rusque said:

FlyByKnight said:

You're one person... who apparently is heavily vested in the success of VR head goggles. Best of luck though.

But but, I heard 74% of gamers want VR!

However, you can't find said gamers on the interent (or real life) for whatever reason. They're a very difficult 74% to track down. It seems like such a huge majority should be easy to bump into but they're not here on mmorpg.com, not the verge, not on wired, not on ars technica, not on IGN, not on Kotaku, not on PC gamer, I dunno - I participate in lots of communities but I can't for the life of me find all these VR lovers. Maybe they're on the Oculus Rift forums or something.

By the way, VR games up to 80% off on Steam for all you 74% of gamers out there!

oh I have, just not on MMORPG.

Every single person here at work who is a gamer wants a headset and is planning to buy one

Aragoni

I would love to have a Vive, but the pricetag of both the Vive and the computer to run it is just too much for me right now. I'll wait a few years until the price is down and the technology is more fleshed out.

tawess

if anyone though that PSVR would not run in to the same issues that Kinect had... 

Guess you know now. =P 

Also i will put faith in to PSVR on the PS4 when i see a bone stock home unit running it without problems. 

Until then.. call me very skeptic. 

Phaserlight

Rusque said:

FlyByKnight said:

You're one person... who apparently is heavily vested in the success of VR head goggles. Best of luck though.

But but, I heard 74% of gamers want VR!

However, you can't find said gamers on the interent (or real life) for whatever reason. They're a very difficult 74% to track down. It seems like such a huge majority should be easy to bump into but they're not here on mmorpg.com, not the verge, not on wired, not on ars technica, not on IGN, not on Kotaku, not on PC gamer, I dunno - I participate in lots of communities but I can't for the life of me find all these VR lovers. Maybe they're on the Oculus Rift forums or something.

By the way, VR games up to 80% off on Steam for all you 74% of gamers out there!

@Rusque Hi, I'm a VR enthusiast.  Nice to meet you!

There's a pretty great thread regarding VR on Penny Arcade (you may have heard of them) here.

SEANMCAD

I am not really very hopeful on Sony VR being the leader here but who knows is might happen. The screen door effect is real and it can be anyoying and it can make it impossible to read text and out of the non-phone VR headsets this one has the lowest resolution and as a result the largest screen door effect.

regardless of that suspect they will do just fine. 

Vrika

simsalabim77 said:

So, I have to move my several hundred pound couch and coffee table to a different part of the room every time I want to use VR?. No thanks. 

Using that VR would be very healthy :)

Rusque

Phaserlight said:

Rusque said:

FlyByKnight said:

You're one person... who apparently is heavily vested in the success of VR head goggles. Best of luck though.

But but, I heard 74% of gamers want VR!

However, you can't find said gamers on the interent (or real life) for whatever reason. They're a very difficult 74% to track down. It seems like such a huge majority should be easy to bump into but they're not here on mmorpg.com, not the verge, not on wired, not on ars technica, not on IGN, not on Kotaku, not on PC gamer, I dunno - I participate in lots of communities but I can't for the life of me find all these VR lovers. Maybe they're on the Oculus Rift forums or something.

By the way, VR games up to 80% off on Steam for all you 74% of gamers out there!

@Rusque Hi, I'm a VR enthusiast.  Nice to meet you!

There's a pretty great thread regarding VR on Penny Arcade (you may have heard of them) here.

I'm just being flippant, I know there's not just one (or two) people interested in VR - Sean's over the top love of VR makes me go a little bananas so I have to poke at him.

Vrika

Torval said:

SEANMCAD said:

I am not really very hopeful on Sony VR being the leader here but who knows is might happen. The screen door effect is real and it can be anyoying and it can make it impossible to read text and out of the non-phone VR headsets this one has the lowest resolution and as a result the largest screen door effect.

regardless of that suspect they will do just fine. 

What is the minimum resolution required to negate the screen door effect?

It's not exact science. Currently with VR the better resolution the smaller screen door effect.

EDIT: It also depends on the space between pixels. So there are other factors to consider besides resolution.

SEANMCAD

Vrika said:

Torval said:

SEANMCAD said:

I am not really very hopeful on Sony VR being the leader here but who knows is might happen. The screen door effect is real and it can be anyoying and it can make it impossible to read text and out of the non-phone VR headsets this one has the lowest resolution and as a result the largest screen door effect.

regardless of that suspect they will do just fine. 

What is the minimum resolution required to negate the screen door effect?

It's not exact science. Currently with VR the better resolution the smaller screen door effect.

EDIT: It also depends on the space between pixels. So there are other factors to consider besides resolution.

yes that is true the DPI is important of which I would be shocked and floored if the Sony DPI is better than Oculus and HTC

SEANMCAD

Torval said:

SEANMCAD said:

I am not really very hopeful on Sony VR being the leader here but who knows is might happen. The screen door effect is real and it can be anyoying and it can make it impossible to read text and out of the non-phone VR headsets this one has the lowest resolution and as a result the largest screen door effect.

regardless of that suspect they will do just fine. 

What is the minimum resolution required to negate the screen door effect?

DPI and resolution. what is it to 'negate it' rather than 'mitigate it'? I have no idea. But what I do know is from technical specs the Sony is the least of the three in more than one category (should we motivate me to find out all of the data points on that ?) so why people think its the best option is a mystery to me however I also dont give a fuck

Octagon7711

Didn't Xbox camera have the same requirement?

SEANMCAD

Torval said:

Vrika said:

Torval said:

SEANMCAD said:

I am not really very hopeful on Sony VR being the leader here but who knows is might happen. The screen door effect is real and it can be anyoying and it can make it impossible to read text and out of the non-phone VR headsets this one has the lowest resolution and as a result the largest screen door effect.

regardless of that suspect they will do just fine. 

What is the minimum resolution required to negate the screen door effect?

It's not exact science. Currently with VR the better resolution the smaller screen door effect.

 I found his claim interesting since I know he's never seen through a PS VR so I figured he must know what the minimum resolution is.

For example the PSVR is 960x1080 @ 90 or 120 Hz, per eye. The Vive is 1080x1200 @ 90 Hz per eye. That's not an incredibly huge resolution difference.

edit: At the screen size and resolutions we're talking about the pixel density is not an issue.

Maybe these units will cause less motion sickness than the Rift or Vive since it has a higher refresh rate.

Htz doesnt matter bro

resolution and DPI.

are you trying to motovate me to post all known specs of the Sony VR and compare it to the Rift and Vive? DPI and all? is that what you want me to do ?

DPI DOES matter for screen door effect and we are not talking about fucking motion sickness. I think you do want me to whip out that technical specs here would doing so 'negate or mitigate the issue here?

simsalabim77

Vrika said:

simsalabim77 said:

So, I have to move my several hundred pound couch and coffee table to a different part of the room every time I want to use VR?. No thanks. 

Using that VR would be very healthy

Using Wii Fit is a pretty healthy thing to do too, but there's no way in hell I'd do it. I like the idea of VR, but the logistics of PS4's version seems a bit much. 

SEANMCAD

Torval said:

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

Vrika said:

Torval said:

SEANMCAD said:

I am not really very hopeful on Sony VR being the leader here but who knows is might happen. The screen door effect is real and it can be anyoying and it can make it impossible to read text and out of the non-phone VR headsets this one has the lowest resolution and as a result the largest screen door effect.

regardless of that suspect they will do just fine. 

What is the minimum resolution required to negate the screen door effect?

It's not exact science. Currently with VR the better resolution the smaller screen door effect.

 I found his claim interesting since I know he's never seen through a PS VR so I figured he must know what the minimum resolution is.

For example the PSVR is 960x1080 @ 90 or 120 Hz, per eye. The Vive is 1080x1200 @ 90 Hz per eye. That's not an incredibly huge resolution difference.

edit: At the screen size and resolutions we're talking about the pixel density is not an issue.

Maybe these units will cause less motion sickness than the Rift or Vive since it has a higher refresh rate.

Htz doesnt matter bro

resolution and DPI.

are you trying to motovate me to post all known specs of the Sony VR and compare it to the Rift and Vive? DPI and all? is that what you want me to do ?

So refresh rate doesn't matter for motion sickness at all? Maybe I misunderstood those repeated claims that low refresh rate from inferior headsets is the cause of motion sickness.

Since the resolution and density is nearly the same as Vive this is probably going to be an non-issue. PS DPI (density) is a non issue as well. You're not going to get a low pixel density in a high resolution small sized screen.

a few question for you

1. have you looked up 'screen door effect' yet?
2. do you understand how 'screen door effect' is mitigated by higher resolution and better DPI?
3. would you like me to post all the known specs about the Sony VR and why they are inferior to HTC and Rift in those technical specs or would you perfer to just drop this subject and move on?

maybe this link will help your readers
https://www.engadget.com/2016/03/10/sony-playstation-vr-oculus-rift/