5% is considered insignificant and therefore a statistical outlier and yet 5% of 1000 is 50 and everyone can name something regarding that. Enron plummeting like it did is a statistical outlier and yet everyone's is still concerned about stocks doing that. the price of Apple products are statistical outliers and yet they are everywhere.
I never made the claim at all anywhere or even implied that people have the same level of concern about cost when going for a walk as when buying a house that's a silly assertion that you made. However when buying a product price is still a concern on some level
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
5% is considered insignificant and therefore a statistical outlier and yet 5% of 1000 is 50 and everyone can name something regarding that. Enron plummeting like it did is a statistical outlier and yet everyone's is still concerned about stocks doing that. the price of Apple products are statistical outliers and yet they are everywhere.
I never made the claim at all anywhere or even implied that people have the same level of concern about cost when going for a walk as when buying a house that's a silly assertion that you made. However when buying a product price is still a concern on some level
let me use your Enron as a perfect example, because my point(s) are pretty much repeatable 100% in all examples.
'Do you believe companies are corrupt?' The answerer of that question would be disengious if he answered 'Yes' BECAUSE of the following reasons.
1. One company out of all companies was corrupt. 2. because a company 'can' be corrupt
again. Unless specfied the assumption is to be 'on average' on does not ask 'do you like the park?' to mean 'do you like the park when their is a tornadoes outside' by extension one does not have to say 'do you like the park as parks are on average in this generational time frame and during plesant weather' each time they want to know if someone like parks or not.
In short, unless othewise stated the average is to be assumed
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I just want to re-iterate that I am nearly positive that from a technical speaking/writing perspective 'the cost of the game' defaults to average or near average cost of a game today and does not include stastitcal outliers.
Reason is because otherwise it would completely dismantle nearly every sentence ever created from 'do you like Pink Floyd' to 'do you like Pink Floyds music' because the statements do not assume 'if Pink Floyd played music they never played before' or 'Pink Floyd played a completely different style from their average a few times and that is the style of music you are refering to'
Meh, forum swallowed my response
Short version: everyone considers the price, therefore price is a factor for everyone.
that is not true.
1. the price can not be imagined outside the average for the time peroid and can not involve stastical outliers unless otherwise specified. Example: 'Do you like Pink Floyds music' is not to be assumed to be music they have never created but 'could' or music they have performed very rarely if said music style is outside of their norm.
2. the lower the price of something is (within that existing average cost of X we talked about above) the less likely they are to pay attention to it as well as how much income they have.
3. When I go to the grocery store I literally have no idea how much what costs. I walk in, i get what I want, I leave. price does not play a role nor does a fictious imaginatary price because that factor was not added to the orignal statement
4. My mother used to call this nerd logic we are currently involved in as 'pseudo intellectualism' because its pointing out the obvious
I don't care about statistical outliers, I'm talking about the thought process that *should* go into every single purchase you make, ever.
If price is not a factor, then you should be buying everything you ever wanted until you're broke.
I'm guessing you don't do that, therefore price is a factor. For example, I have about 20 games on my steam wishlist, plus a further 100 or so games (old and new) that I want to play. It would probably cost me roughly £600 to buy them all.
So, I want them. I want to play them. I just need to acquire them, which means spending money. If price wasn't a factor then I'd go out and buy them all now (which is what you are claiming). However, I'd then find myself unable to pay the rent at the end of the month. So, being a rational person, before I make the purchase, I say to myself "Can I afford this?" i.e. factoring in the price in my decision making. As it turns out, I can't afford them all, so I'll buy 1 or 2 this month because I can afford that and just slowly build my collection over time.
I don't know about you, but that is a thought process I go through with every single purchase I have ever made. With 99% of things I buy, the answer is "yes, I can afford it" and thus I buy it, but I still ask that question of myself first, otherwise I risk financial difficulty.
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When the sample is large enough statistical outlets become very well known.
I also never implied that cost doesn't diminish with lower prices or increase with higher. I completely agree with that abd it supports my point, cost is a factor.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
I just want to re-iterate that I am nearly positive that from a technical speaking/writing perspective 'the cost of the game' defaults to average or near average cost of a game today and does not include stastitcal outliers.
Reason is because otherwise it would completely dismantle nearly every sentence ever created from 'do you like Pink Floyd' to 'do you like Pink Floyds music' because the statements do not assume 'if Pink Floyd played music they never played before' or 'Pink Floyd played a completely different style from their average a few times and that is the style of music you are refering to'
Meh, forum swallowed my response
Short version: everyone considers the price, therefore price is a factor for everyone.
that is not true.
1. the price can not be imagined outside the average for the time peroid and can not involve stastical outliers unless otherwise specified. Example: 'Do you like Pink Floyds music' is not to be assumed to be music they have never created but 'could' or music they have performed very rarely if said music style is outside of their norm.
2. the lower the price of something is (within that existing average cost of X we talked about above) the less likely they are to pay attention to it as well as how much income they have.
3. When I go to the grocery store I literally have no idea how much what costs. I walk in, i get what I want, I leave. price does not play a role nor does a fictious imaginatary price because that factor was not added to the orignal statement
4. My mother used to call this nerd logic we are currently involved in as 'pseudo intellectualism' because its pointing out the obvious
I don't care about statistical outliers, I'm talking about the thought process that *should* go into every single purchase you make, ever.
If price is not a factor, then you should be buying everything you ever wanted until you're broke.
I'm guessing you don't do that, therefore price is a factor. For example, I have about 20 games on my steam wishlist, plus a further 100 or so games (old and new) that I want to play. It would probably cost me roughly £600 to buy them all.
So, I want them. I want to play them. I just need to acquire them, which means spending money. If price wasn't a factor then I'd go out and buy them all now (which is what you are claiming). However, I'd then find myself unable to pay the rent at the end of the month. So, being a rational person, before I make the purchase, I say to myself "Can I afford this?" i.e. factoring in the price in my decision making. As it turns out, I can't afford them all, so I'll buy 1 or 2 this month because I can afford that and just slowly build my collection over time.
I don't know about you, but that is a thought process I go through with every single purchase I have ever made. With 99% of things I buy, the answer is "yes, I can afford it" and thus I buy it, but I still ask that question of myself first, otherwise I risk financial difficulty.
again PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!!
1. the cost of walking on the side walk (there is a cost in taxes from wear and tear) is not something I consider. The cost of buying a house is something I do consider. I NEVER I repeat I NEVER even know what the prices are at the grocery store when I go shopping not before, during or after and no I dont even look at my receipt. what prices 'could' be but 'rarely ever is' is NEVER. I repeat NEVER to be 'assumed' in a question period.
2. when one asks 'do you like road trips?' one does not have to ask 'do you like road trips as the are statistically average in our era?' it is to be assumed. PEROID that is a fact. IF something clearly dose not have a statistical average like lets say 'sports' then its helpful for the question to be more specifc however in the case of cost the cost of a video game DOES have a measurable predictable mondern day average range when removing the outliers.
3. when one asks 'do you like road trips' what road trips have NEVER been but 'could' be is never under no condition ever to be assumed. That would have to be explictly stated.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Interesting thing about statistics is you'll see how different or not you are with others in certain things. I mean for example, how many out there been gaming since early 90's, almost on every single arcade and console game then moved to PC, LAN/internet in 2001 and played so many games ( MMO's and other) through the next decade only to end up not needing to spend $ on any new game since January 11th, 2011.
Something changed either within me toward gaming or gaming in general from that period. In a way I'm at advantage from the many around here who are still spending $ on many games I have no longer interest in, but in the same time I have to find other things to entertain me. I guess from my past experience and exceptional gaming background I know better than ever what I want and whoever is the closest to delivering that will be the one to open my wallet, and if I don't keep my wallet as tight as possible I believe my $ worth less and if I do throw my $ more often in a way I'm also standing in my own way of seeing that product I envision come sooner. I mean, if someone can sell me a game with $1-5 million budget for $60, why would in their sane mind design a game with 50-100 mil budget that would cost the same?
Dreamcast was my last console and I never bought another console game since I got my PC. I just don't see the reason why consoles should exist today, especially how they divide game developers/companies and in general the gaming market further, but I also understand there is still a market out there, but usually toward the younger audience or in regions where people can't afford to have good PC with good connection or of course they can always just burn the extra $ carelessly so they can play their games with friends on the big flat screen.
The only good reason I can think consoles help the PC industry is thanks to their better specs, more of these PC MMORPG's for example can gain extra revenue when they ship out to these other console markets.
When the sample is large enough statistical outlets become very well known.
I also never implied that cost doesn't diminish with lower prices or increase with higher. I completely agree with that abd it supports my point, cost is a factor.
cost is not always a factor in a persons decisions. it always depends.
more over, the question is not implying statistical outliers nor does it imply things that have never happened before and also the person asking the question does not have to explicitly state it either because if they did we would never be able to ask just about any question without it being about 3 times longer of a question.
its not realistic to suggest cost is a factor in my choices when I go to the grocery store when pretty much every single time I go for the past 30 years I have had zero idea the cost of the items before, during or after the purchase
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The question was never as general as do you like something therefore all your questions about do you like. .. are invalid. It was asking if you take a factor into consideration.
Do you like road trips is not a comparable question. a comparable question would be adding about a factor in a road trip. The cost of gas, time, time with family. ..
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
The question was never as general as do you like something therefore all your questions about do you like. .. are invalid. It was asking if you take a factor into consideration.
Do you like road trips is not a comparable question. a comparable question would be adding about a factor in a road trip. The cost of gas, time, time with family. ..
that is what I would call a runner arguement. aka a HUGE strawman. your running at this point
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I just want to re-iterate that I am nearly positive that from a technical speaking/writing perspective 'the cost of the game' defaults to average or near average cost of a game today and does not include stastitcal outliers.
Reason is because otherwise it would completely dismantle nearly every sentence ever created from 'do you like Pink Floyd' to 'do you like Pink Floyds music' because the statements do not assume 'if Pink Floyd played music they never played before' or 'Pink Floyd played a completely different style from their average a few times and that is the style of music you are refering to'
Meh, forum swallowed my response
Short version: everyone considers the price, therefore price is a factor for everyone.
that is not true.
1. the price can not be imagined outside the average for the time peroid and can not involve stastical outliers unless otherwise specified. Example: 'Do you like Pink Floyds music' is not to be assumed to be music they have never created but 'could' or music they have performed very rarely if said music style is outside of their norm.
2. the lower the price of something is (within that existing average cost of X we talked about above) the less likely they are to pay attention to it as well as how much income they have.
3. When I go to the grocery store I literally have no idea how much what costs. I walk in, i get what I want, I leave. price does not play a role nor does a fictious imaginatary price because that factor was not added to the orignal statement
4. My mother used to call this nerd logic we are currently involved in as 'pseudo intellectualism' because its pointing out the obvious
I don't care about statistical outliers, I'm talking about the thought process that *should* go into every single purchase you make, ever.
If price is not a factor, then you should be buying everything you ever wanted until you're broke.
I'm guessing you don't do that, therefore price is a factor. For example, I have about 20 games on my steam wishlist, plus a further 100 or so games (old and new) that I want to play. It would probably cost me roughly £600 to buy them all.
So, I want them. I want to play them. I just need to acquire them, which means spending money. If price wasn't a factor then I'd go out and buy them all now (which is what you are claiming). However, I'd then find myself unable to pay the rent at the end of the month. So, being a rational person, before I make the purchase, I say to myself "Can I afford this?" i.e. factoring in the price in my decision making. As it turns out, I can't afford them all, so I'll buy 1 or 2 this month because I can afford that and just slowly build my collection over time.
I don't know about you, but that is a thought process I go through with every single purchase I have ever made. With 99% of things I buy, the answer is "yes, I can afford it" and thus I buy it, but I still ask that question of myself first, otherwise I risk financial difficulty.
again PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!!
1. the cost of walking on the side walk (there is a cost in taxes from wear and tear) is not something I consider. The cost of buying a house is something I do consider. I NEVER I repeat I NEVER even know what the prices are at the grocery store when I go shopping not before, during or after and no I dont even look at my receipt. what prices 'could' be but 'rarely ever is' is NEVER. I repeat NEVER to be 'assumed' in a question period.
2. when one asks 'do you like road trips?' one does not have to ask 'do you like road trips as the are statistically average in our era?' it is to be assumed. PEROID that is a fact. IF something clearly dose not have a statistical average like lets say 'sports' then its helpful for the question to be more specifc however in the case of cost the cost of a video game DOES have a measurable predictable mondern day average range when removing the outliers.
3. when one asks 'do you like road trips' what road trips have NEVER been but 'could' be is never under no condition ever to be assumed. That would have to be explictly stated.
So, every single game that you've ever wanted to play, you've bought as soon as it is available to buy?
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Depends on what I look for in that game and how much I'm willing to pay for a game that is presented to me. Certain games or game types I value more than others. For example when dishonored 2 comes out I'm willing to pay 5-10 bucks for it to play for fun but I'm not into that type of game like that to be paying 60 bucks right off the bat. So I dont mind waiting, kind of how it is for me. I think most people have that mindset.
The acronym MMORPG use to mean Massive Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game.
But the acronym MMMORPG now currently means Microscopic Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. Kappa.
Yes, the monetization has an influence on the game's design (otherwise the designers are bad at their job). Also, the cost influences the community the game will have and how they behave.
This thread just shows how many people would rush to cast a vote before first fully understanding what the poll is about.
Like @cameltosis has said price is a factor for most things we purchase. Personally, even if I had unlimited cash at disposal I would still spend the way I'm spending because that's how I believe the product I want will come quicker to fruition. A better way to spend that unlimited cash would be to produce the product myself.
From the type of car you drive to the type of food you eat, to the type of house you own and in which area you live in, all these things price played factor for you. Now, this poll is different because we don't discuss about all the things we buy, but a specific product.
Ignore everything else and just focus on one product and you'll see that it's still very easily affordable and the price to most would not be a barrier to enjoy or try it. This is one good thing we have going for games, in bulk they might prove to be expensive in the long run, if you just buy whatever you like, if you seem to enjoy a lot of games, but when we discuss about specific product and if a price has played a factor, other things people measure up to make their decision because like I said it goes beyond for me if the product is fun, if I can afford it and so forth.
#1 Is the product secure/safe (from cheating)? #2 Is the product promoting pay to win/advance? #3 Is the product good deal compared to other entertaining products I already enjoy? #4 Is the product the future of what I want to see more to come in the industry?
What is the true cost of game? Is it the money, or the time spent playing it? Is that even a cost? When we spend our time doing anything it is a learning experience.
What is the true cost of game? Is it the money, or the time spent playing it? Is that even a cost? When we spend our time doing anything it is a learning experience.
agreed the time and attention cost can sometimes be more than the dollar cost as far as 'value cost' goes. Even more so with indie titles like RimWorld for example where the commitment to just learning how to play it well is fairly high
now we just need to wait for them to say the OP might have meant 'opportunity cost' instead of price cost
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I never made the claim at all anywhere or even implied that people have the same level of concern about cost when going for a walk as when buying a house that's a silly assertion that you made. However when buying a product price is still a concern on some level
'Do you believe companies are corrupt?'
The answerer of that question would be disengious if he answered 'Yes' BECAUSE of the following reasons.
1. One company out of all companies was corrupt.
2. because a company 'can' be corrupt
again. Unless specfied the assumption is to be 'on average' on does not ask 'do you like the park?' to mean 'do you like the park when their is a tornadoes outside' by extension one does not have to say
'do you like the park as parks are on average in this generational time frame and during plesant weather' each time they want to know if someone like parks or not.
In short, unless othewise stated the average is to be assumed
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Sane with the second question. A comparable question would be is the look of the park a factor in whether you would go to it.
The op is not asking if you like something it is asking about whether something is a factor to you when you go to buy it.
A comparable question to what you are askingis just do you like games?
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I am done. mostly because you think 'stastical outliers are too common' that alone is my punt point. later
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If price is not a factor, then you should be buying everything you ever wanted until you're broke.
I'm guessing you don't do that, therefore price is a factor. For example, I have about 20 games on my steam wishlist, plus a further 100 or so games (old and new) that I want to play. It would probably cost me roughly £600 to buy them all.
So, I want them. I want to play them. I just need to acquire them, which means spending money. If price wasn't a factor then I'd go out and buy them all now (which is what you are claiming). However, I'd then find myself unable to pay the rent at the end of the month. So, being a rational person, before I make the purchase, I say to myself "Can I afford this?" i.e. factoring in the price in my decision making. As it turns out, I can't afford them all, so I'll buy 1 or 2 this month because I can afford that and just slowly build my collection over time.
I don't know about you, but that is a thought process I go through with every single purchase I have ever made. With 99% of things I buy, the answer is "yes, I can afford it" and thus I buy it, but I still ask that question of myself first, otherwise I risk financial difficulty.
I also never implied that cost doesn't diminish with lower prices or increase with higher. I completely agree with that abd it supports my point, cost is a factor.
1. the cost of walking on the side walk (there is a cost in taxes from wear and tear) is not something I consider. The cost of buying a house is something I do consider. I NEVER I repeat I NEVER even know what the prices are at the grocery store when I go shopping not before, during or after and no I dont even look at my receipt. what prices 'could' be but 'rarely ever is' is NEVER. I repeat NEVER to be 'assumed' in a question period.
2. when one asks 'do you like road trips?' one does not have to ask 'do you like road trips as the are statistically average in our era?' it is to be assumed. PEROID that is a fact. IF something clearly dose not have a statistical average like lets say 'sports' then its helpful for the question to be more specifc however in the case of cost the cost of a video game DOES have a measurable predictable mondern day average range when removing the outliers.
3. when one asks 'do you like road trips' what road trips have NEVER been but 'could' be is never under no condition ever to be assumed. That would have to be explictly stated.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Something changed either within me toward gaming or gaming in general from that period. In a way I'm at advantage from the many around here who are still spending $ on many games I have no longer interest in, but in the same time I have to find other things to entertain me. I guess from my past experience and exceptional gaming background I know better than ever what I want and whoever is the closest to delivering that will be the one to open my wallet, and if I don't keep my wallet as tight as possible I believe my $ worth less and if I do throw my $ more often in a way I'm also standing in my own way of seeing that product I envision come sooner. I mean, if someone can sell me a game with $1-5 million budget for $60, why would in their sane mind design a game with 50-100 mil budget that would cost the same?
Dreamcast was my last console and I never bought another console game since I got my PC. I just don't see the reason why consoles should exist today, especially how they divide game developers/companies and in general the gaming market further, but I also understand there is still a market out there, but usually toward the younger audience or in regions where people can't afford to have good PC with good connection or of course they can always just burn the extra $ carelessly so they can play their games with friends on the big flat screen.
The only good reason I can think consoles help the PC industry is thanks to their better specs, more of these PC MMORPG's for example can gain extra revenue when they ship out to these other console markets.
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it always depends.
more over, the question is not implying statistical outliers nor does it imply things that have never happened before and also the person asking the question does not have to explicitly state it either because if they did we would never be able to ask just about any question without it being about 3 times longer of a question.
its not realistic to suggest cost is a factor in my choices when I go to the grocery store when pretty much every single time I go for the past 30 years I have had zero idea the cost of the items before, during or after the purchase
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Do you like road trips is not a comparable question. a comparable question would be adding about a factor in a road trip. The cost of gas, time, time with family. ..
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All your questions asking about anything but a factor are the strawmen.
But the acronym MMMORPG now currently means Microscopic Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. Kappa.
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Also, the cost influences the community the game will have and how they behave.
Like @cameltosis has said price is a factor for most things we purchase. Personally, even if I had unlimited cash at disposal I would still spend the way I'm spending because that's how I believe the product I want will come quicker to fruition. A better way to spend that unlimited cash would be to produce the product myself.
From the type of car you drive to the type of food you eat, to the type of house you own and in which area you live in, all these things price played factor for you. Now, this poll is different because we don't discuss about all the things we buy, but a specific product.
Ignore everything else and just focus on one product and you'll see that it's still very easily affordable and the price to most would not be a barrier to enjoy or try it. This is one good thing we have going for games, in bulk they might prove to be expensive in the long run, if you just buy whatever you like, if you seem to enjoy a lot of games, but when we discuss about specific product and if a price has played a factor, other things people measure up to make their decision because like I said it goes beyond for me if the product is fun, if I can afford it and so forth.
#1 Is the product secure/safe (from cheating)?
#2 Is the product promoting pay to win/advance?
#3 Is the product good deal compared to other entertaining products I already enjoy?
#4 Is the product the future of what I want to see more to come in the industry?
I would agree with 'most things' I would not agree with 'all things'
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now we just need to wait for them to say the OP might have meant 'opportunity cost' instead of price cost
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