I look at this game, and I will definitely be buying it, but not until the price drops. I have analyzed this game quite a bit, and I can confidently state that after the first two weeks (gotta enjoy the new car smell!), I will be playing this game for about 5-6 hours a week. With that level of playtime, it is really hard to justify $60. I will wait until the price drops below $40, which will put the game in the proper threshold for how I will play it.
It blows my mind how a measly $20 makes all the difference to some people. there HAS to be a MUCH larger group of destitute gamers out there than I thought...
Speaking for the US, $20 can make a difference to millions of gamers. When 1% own 95% of the wealth... There's some math to stew on that actually matters in life.
One thing I'm still not clear on....it sounds like everyone starts in the same galaxy, but there are multiple galaxies actually in the game? If that is the case, I'm assuming that the 18 quint planets are not all within the "starting" galaxy?
One thing I'm still not clear on....it sounds like everyone starts in the same galaxy, but there are multiple galaxies actually in the game? If that is the case, I'm assuming that the 18 quint planets are not all within the "starting" galaxy?
Correct.
I don't think anyone knows how many galaxies there are in NMS. We don't know if they are all roughly the same size. We don't know how many planets are in a "typical" NMS galaxy (if there is such a thing). We don't know if the starting galaxy is bigger, smaller or equivalent to the other galaxies.
Additionally, all players in the "starting galaxy" (Euclid) will start near the outer edge of that galaxy.
Just these facts make it impossible to calculate the odds of crossing paths with another player...
"If you hoped for things like pvp multiplayer or city building, piloting freighters, or building civilizations… that isn’t what [No Man's Sky] is. Over time it might become some of those things through updates," Murray wrote, explaining that owning freighters and the ability to build bases are on the way.
Murray did go on to elaborate that, while No Man's Sky may not be those things, it is "an infinite procedural sci-fi-space-survival-sandbox... and it’s a very very chill game."
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I look at this game, and I will definitely be buying it, but not until the price drops. I have analyzed this game quite a bit, and I can confidently state that after the first two weeks (gotta enjoy the new car smell!), I will be playing this game for about 5-6 hours a week. With that level of playtime, it is really hard to justify $60. I will wait until the price drops below $40, which will put the game in the proper threshold for how I will play it.
It blows my mind how a measly $20 makes all the difference to some people. there HAS to be a MUCH larger group of destitute gamers out there than I thought...
I was forced out of my job because of my age, something I cannot prove, but that is what happened. Then I found out that older workers have a huge barrier to return to work. I put in 2000 apps, and got 11 interviews before I got back to work, and I am by no means an unskilled laborer. About 20 months passed where I had no job. My savings emptied, and we had to sell item after item to pay rent and eat. Both my wife and I had to have teeth extracted because we could not afford the dental work. I now have a good job and am carefully putting my life back together and trying to get some money saved in case of future problems. 20 bucks is a huge deal to me.
DON'T YOU DARE JUDGE HOW I SPEND MY DAMN MONEY.
Seriously?
It's a game. So no...your $20 bucks? Might be spent a bit better than on a game? How about $20 of Top Ramen?
Or how about you don't go over the top telling someone else not to judge your asshat money decisions?
You have very serious issues and need professional help. Ive seen this attitude from thread to thread from you.
Regarding nms. The devs were misleading and deserve to be called out on it. This game appeals to explorers and that's it. Neat concept, hopefully they can add a significant amount of game features after release. As it stands now I don't think it warrants $50 let alone $60 unless you are one of the few explorers.
The drama is not slowing down and the lack of response from Hello Games is adding fuel to the fire and it hasn't even hit PC yet! No Man's Skygate continues!
And will probably pick up both speed and volume once it hits PC release !
I'd be a bit reluctant to accept every claim of "fraud" immediately though. As it turned out during the early days of the leaked streams, the "absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence".
Sean Murray undeniably described multiplayer interaction in his interview comments, regardless of how vague he was about the specifics. Having no multiplayer interaction whatsoever would be grounds for an unconditional refund. I can't believe that Hello Games would have been that stupid, there has to be another explanation.
regarding the streamed event a few things
1. its likely that Streamer A found a planet and then called Streamer B and told him to go to that location and act as if he just found it. thus faking a 'find'
2. If its possible to play the game in 'offline' mode while still at the same time having it collect data (such as you naming plants). Then one of the streamers could have placed his game in offiline mode.
thus faking all of it
I'm not sure why you seem so hell-bent on pushing your theory that the arranged meeting of 2 players was somehow fake. Who cares how they arranged it ?
How it was arranged is irrelevant.
The controversy is around the outcome of the meeting, i.e. they couldn't see each other. At all.
So either:
it's a technical hitch and things aren't working as intended
there's an unknown game play mechanism that prevented them from seeing each other
Sean Murray brazenly lied to everyone (and left video evidence of the lies)
I'd be inclined to think it's the second option. Warp drives distorting local time would be an obvious explanation, for instance.
But whatever the explanation is, a game play mechanism preventing arranged meetings would explain why HG were so adamant that meetings were going to be "rare".
The multiplayer aspect is not important to me, but the outcome of this controversy is, as it will have a significant effect on the future of the game.
Again.
as I stated very clearly
that too could have been faked. inspect item 2 on my list
now if you like you can go back to my post and address my claim regarding THAT PART of the possible scam instead of focusing on the part you consider unimportant.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Strange that pretty much everyone playing NMS is loving it yet negative reviews and complaints about it continue to poor in from the people not playing it. Maybe if you haven't played it you should just shut up and keep your wrong opinions to yourself.
I agree. I think groupers and people that like blowing up other players in space are understandably upset by this game and what it represents. It seems a smear campaign is in full swing even though the game was never advertised as an MMO. They want the game to die before it can prosper.
I also agree that this game probably deserves less coverage on a site that is primarily MMO based.
Personally, I enjoy a handcrafted story with a powerful narrative - and I enjoy content when it's designed and cared for - rather than the result of a some formula, but that's just me.
I agree, but the last time I was gripped that hard by the story and narrative of a game was Lost Odyssey for XBox 360, and that one never got a sequel, which is depressing because the side stories, which had nothing to do with the game's main cast, as well as the main story itself had happy moments, sad moment, poignant moments that brought you close to tears, and an overall feeling of immersion in what was going on that is now just lacking.
Companies nowadays understand that most people have the attention span of a squirrel on meth, so they cater to the quick bang crowd by pumping and dumping games with massive cash shop options, just for the ROI, and then they move on to the next project.
It is a sad fall from grace for games, but I can see where it is also savvy business sense.
Strange that pretty much everyone playing NMS is loving it yet negative reviews and complaints about it continue to poor in from the people not playing it. Maybe if you haven't played it you should just shut up and keep your wrong opinions to yourself.
I agree. I think groupers and people that like blowing up other players in space are understandably upset by this game and what it represents. It seems a smear campaign is in full swing even though the game was never advertised as an MMO. They want the game to die before it can prosper.
I also agree that this game probably deserves less coverage on a site that is primarily MMO based.
There appear to be a lot of great things going on with this game. It was one I was pretty much set on purchasing come fall. However, as you can see in the following 52-second video, the lead developer clearly was not entirely honest about the fact that on release two players standing in the same spot would not be able to see each other or interact in any meaningful way:
I watched the Colbert interview in its entirety. "Lying" may be too strong of a word, but as another poster on this site mentioned he definitely seems to be prevaricating. I fail to see how pointing this out equates to a "smear campaign". When a developer can't be honest about his/her product, s/he is either
a) ill informed b) misrepresenting the product for some other purpose (profit, or to keep the hype train going).
In watching the above short video, and the full interview with Stephen Colbert, it unfortunately looks to be more of the latter although it's hard to judge a motive. This doesn't create a sense of "goodwill" toward the developer, which reduces confidence when looking at the long term. It may be a deal breaker for me.
That stated, overall it looks to be a very cool game, definitely right up my alley. I just wish the developer could have been honest about whether or not two players could interact.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
The drama is not slowing down and the lack of response from Hello Games is adding fuel to the fire and it hasn't even hit PC yet! No Man's Skygate continues!
And will probably pick up both speed and volume once it hits PC release !
I'd be a bit reluctant to accept every claim of "fraud" immediately though. As it turned out during the early days of the leaked streams, the "absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence".
Sean Murray undeniably described multiplayer interaction in his interview comments, regardless of how vague he was about the specifics. Having no multiplayer interaction whatsoever would be grounds for an unconditional refund. I can't believe that Hello Games would have been that stupid, there has to be another explanation.
regarding the streamed event a few things
1. its likely that Streamer A found a planet and then called Streamer B and told him to go to that location and act as if he just found it. thus faking a 'find'
2. If its possible to play the game in 'offline' mode while still at the same time having it collect data (such as you naming plants). Then one of the streamers could have placed his game in offiline mode.
thus faking all of it
I'm not sure why you seem so hell-bent on pushing your theory that the arranged meeting of 2 players was somehow fake. Who cares how they arranged it ?
How it was arranged is irrelevant.
The controversy is around the outcome of the meeting, i.e. they couldn't see each other. At all.
So either:
it's a technical hitch and things aren't working as intended
there's an unknown game play mechanism that prevented them from seeing each other
Sean Murray brazenly lied to everyone (and left video evidence of the lies)
I'd be inclined to think it's the second option. Warp drives distorting local time would be an obvious explanation, for instance.
But whatever the explanation is, a game play mechanism preventing arranged meetings would explain why HG were so adamant that meetings were going to be "rare".
The multiplayer aspect is not important to me, but the outcome of this controversy is, as it will have a significant effect on the future of the game.
Again.
as I stated very clearly
that too could have been faked. inspect item 2 on my list
now if you like you can go back to my post and address my claim regarding THAT PART of the possible scam instead of focusing on the part you consider unimportant.
What ?
To you, everything even remotely related to NMS seems to be a scam or multi-level con job.
Sorry, but whenever people start offering explanations with Byzantine complexity I reach for Occam's Razor.
The drama is not slowing down and the lack of response from Hello Games is adding fuel to the fire and it hasn't even hit PC yet! No Man's Skygate continues!
And will probably pick up both speed and volume once it hits PC release !
I'd be a bit reluctant to accept every claim of "fraud" immediately though. As it turned out during the early days of the leaked streams, the "absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence".
Sean Murray undeniably described multiplayer interaction in his interview comments, regardless of how vague he was about the specifics. Having no multiplayer interaction whatsoever would be grounds for an unconditional refund. I can't believe that Hello Games would have been that stupid, there has to be another explanation.
regarding the streamed event a few things
1. its likely that Streamer A found a planet and then called Streamer B and told him to go to that location and act as if he just found it. thus faking a 'find'
2. If its possible to play the game in 'offline' mode while still at the same time having it collect data (such as you naming plants). Then one of the streamers could have placed his game in offiline mode.
thus faking all of it
I'm not sure why you seem so hell-bent on pushing your theory that the arranged meeting of 2 players was somehow fake. Who cares how they arranged it ?
How it was arranged is irrelevant.
The controversy is around the outcome of the meeting, i.e. they couldn't see each other. At all.
So either:
it's a technical hitch and things aren't working as intended
there's an unknown game play mechanism that prevented them from seeing each other
Sean Murray brazenly lied to everyone (and left video evidence of the lies)
I'd be inclined to think it's the second option. Warp drives distorting local time would be an obvious explanation, for instance.
But whatever the explanation is, a game play mechanism preventing arranged meetings would explain why HG were so adamant that meetings were going to be "rare".
The multiplayer aspect is not important to me, but the outcome of this controversy is, as it will have a significant effect on the future of the game.
Again.
as I stated very clearly
that too could have been faked. inspect item 2 on my list
now if you like you can go back to my post and address my claim regarding THAT PART of the possible scam instead of focusing on the part you consider unimportant.
What ?
To you, everything even remotely related to NMS seems to be a scam or multi-level con job.
Sorry, but whenever people start offering explanations with Byzantine complexity I reach for Occam's Razor.
I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight...
so here you are attacking me for bringing up something that you feel is not on topic and then when I point to you in the same post in question where I stated something that was directly related to your specific concern. that even had a number next to it in a list..this is what you reply with....
do I have that right?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Just to be clear: if from day 1 Sean had said "you won't ever see another player, even if you are standing in the same spot" I would have been somewhat disappointed, but still very interested in playing the game as pitched.
However, as the message up until release was pretty much constantly 'our game world is huge, the chances of finding another player are like finding a particular grain of sand on a beach... but it definitely might happen' this makes me feel like Sean was trying to pull a fast one and got caught before he was ready.
...was he seriously hoping to keep his players in the dark about whether or not they ever ran across someone else, but to hold in their minds that it was definitely always a possibility?
That is, by definition, dishonest. I'm sorry if that's harsh; maybe I'm spoiled by a decade plus relationship with a very transparent and humble developer.
All the best to fans of this game. I look forward to playing it someday, but it looks more and more like it won't be a title I own unless Sean does something to correct this gaffe; either publicly apologize or add the features he hinted would be present. Honesty in a client-business relationship is just that important to me.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
Just to be clear: if from day 1 Sean had said "you won't ever see another player, even if you are standing in the same spot" I would have been somewhat disappointed, but still very interested in playing the game as pitched.
However, as the message up until release was pretty much constantly 'our game world is huge, the chances of finding another player are like finding a particular grain of sand on a beach... but it definitely might happen' this makes me feel like Sean was trying to pull a fast one and got caught before he was ready.
...was he seriously hoping to keep his players in the dark about whether or not they ever ran across someone else, but to hold in their minds that it was definitely always a possibility?
That is, by definition, dishonest. I'm sorry if that's harsh; maybe I'm spoiled by a decade plus relationship with a very transparent and humble developer.
All the best to fans of this game. I look forward to playing it someday, but it looks more and more like it won't be a title I own unless Sean does something to correct this gaffe; either publicly apologize or add the features he hinted would be present. Honesty in a client-business relationship is just that important to me.
to me that sounds reasonable.
I am different in that if a game appears compelling to me I will still buy it I dont hold much in that decision based on what the developer says or doesnt say. HOWEVER, I do understand and empathises and agree with peoples frustration in that matter and I think the exucses fans are giving are just as bad.
However for me, its all 'trumped' by the fact that I dont find the game itself that intresting compared to what I am currently playing space game wise
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The drama is not slowing down and the lack of response from Hello Games is adding fuel to the fire and it hasn't even hit PC yet! No Man's Skygate continues!
And will probably pick up both speed and volume once it hits PC release !
I'd be a bit reluctant to accept every claim of "fraud" immediately though. As it turned out during the early days of the leaked streams, the "absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence".
Sean Murray undeniably described multiplayer interaction in his interview comments, regardless of how vague he was about the specifics. Having no multiplayer interaction whatsoever would be grounds for an unconditional refund. I can't believe that Hello Games would have been that stupid, there has to be another explanation.
regarding the streamed event a few things
1. its likely that Streamer A found a planet and then called Streamer B and told him to go to that location and act as if he just found it. thus faking a 'find'
2. If its possible to play the game in 'offline' mode while still at the same time having it collect data (such as you naming plants). Then one of the streamers could have placed his game in offiline mode.
thus faking all of it
I'm not sure why you seem so hell-bent on pushing your theory that the arranged meeting of 2 players was somehow fake. Who cares how they arranged it ?
How it was arranged is irrelevant.
The controversy is around the outcome of the meeting, i.e. they couldn't see each other. At all.
So either:
it's a technical hitch and things aren't working as intended
there's an unknown game play mechanism that prevented them from seeing each other
Sean Murray brazenly lied to everyone (and left video evidence of the lies)
I'd be inclined to think it's the second option. Warp drives distorting local time would be an obvious explanation, for instance.
But whatever the explanation is, a game play mechanism preventing arranged meetings would explain why HG were so adamant that meetings were going to be "rare".
The multiplayer aspect is not important to me, but the outcome of this controversy is, as it will have a significant effect on the future of the game.
Again.
as I stated very clearly
that too could have been faked. inspect item 2 on my list
now if you like you can go back to my post and address my claim regarding THAT PART of the possible scam instead of focusing on the part you consider unimportant.
What ?
To you, everything even remotely related to NMS seems to be a scam or multi-level con job.
Sorry, but whenever people start offering explanations with Byzantine complexity I reach for Occam's Razor.
I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight...
so here you are attacking me for bringing up something that you feel is not on topic and then when I point to you in the same post in question where I stated something that was directly related to your specific concern. that even had a number next to it in a list..this is what you reply with....
do I have that right?
No, you can't see the wood for the trees, as usual...
You dreamed-up TWO possible explanations for how the encounter could have been faked.
I said that the "how" is irrelevant.
Tbh, I'm not interested in your wacky conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in the questions that arise from this incident, regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Hello Games have been adamant that finding people will be very difficult and rare. That is the gaming equivalent of slapping someone through the face with a gauntlet and challenging them to a duel. Of course everyone will try their utmost to meet up after that, just to prove HG "wrong".
So far, HG has simply ignored this incident. They are either supremely confident of their position or staggeringly inept. Sony will no doubt be leaning on them hard if there's a potential bad outcome to this, because it will reflect on their PS4 business.
No, you can't see the wood for the trees, as usual...
You dreamed-up TWO possible explanations for how the encounter could have been faked.
I said that the "how" is irrelevant.
Tbh, I'm not interested in your wacky conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in the questions that arise from this incident, regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Hello Games have been adamant that finding people will be very difficult and rare. That is the gaming equivalent of slapping someone through the face with a gauntlet and challenging them to a duel. Of course everyone will try their utmost to meet up after that, just to prove HG "wrong".
So far, HG has simply ignored this incident. They are either supremely confident of their position or staggeringly inept. Sony will no doubt be leaning on them hard if there's a potential bad outcome to this, because it will reflect on their PS4 business.
and the thing is despite interacting with me three times on this, once to complain about something being off topic while ignore the item with is numbered and is on topic you STILL havent addressed......item 2 on my list directly.
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
addresss number 2 above directly in detail or stop repllying to me
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
No, you can't see the wood for the trees, as usual...
You dreamed-up TWO possible explanations for how the encounter could have been faked.
I said that the "how" is irrelevant.
Tbh, I'm not interested in your wacky conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in the questions that arise from this incident, regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Hello Games have been adamant that finding people will be very difficult and rare. That is the gaming equivalent of slapping someone through the face with a gauntlet and challenging them to a duel. Of course everyone will try their utmost to meet up after that, just to prove HG "wrong".
So far, HG has simply ignored this incident. They are either supremely confident of their position or staggeringly inept. Sony will no doubt be leaning on them hard if there's a potential bad outcome to this, because it will reflect on their PS4 business.
and the thing is despite interacting with me three times on this, once to complain about something being off topic while ignore the item with is numbered and is on topic you STILL havent addressed......item 2 on my list directly.
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
addresss number 2 above directly in detail or stop repllying to me
Yes, it would be possible to fake this by:
concocting an elaborate scheme to arrange a fake meeting of two streamers
fake the invisibility by playing in offline mode
I've humoured you, now tell me WHY you think anyone would bother to fake this ? Have you secretly become a NMS defender while I wasn't looking ?
No, you can't see the wood for the trees, as usual...
You dreamed-up TWO possible explanations for how the encounter could have been faked.
I said that the "how" is irrelevant.
Tbh, I'm not interested in your wacky conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in the questions that arise from this incident, regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Hello Games have been adamant that finding people will be very difficult and rare. That is the gaming equivalent of slapping someone through the face with a gauntlet and challenging them to a duel. Of course everyone will try their utmost to meet up after that, just to prove HG "wrong".
So far, HG has simply ignored this incident. They are either supremely confident of their position or staggeringly inept. Sony will no doubt be leaning on them hard if there's a potential bad outcome to this, because it will reflect on their PS4 business.
and the thing is despite interacting with me three times on this, once to complain about something being off topic while ignore the item with is numbered and is on topic you STILL havent addressed......item 2 on my list directly.
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
addresss number 2 above directly in detail or stop repllying to me
Yes, it would be possible to fake this by:
concocting an elaborate scheme to arrange a fake meeting of two streamers
fake the invisibility by playing in offline mode
I've humoured you, now tell me WHY you think anyone would bother to fake this ? Have you secretly become a NMS defender while I wasn't looking ?
that does not directly address:
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
does this game have an offline mode on it yes or not?
it is statistically near impossible for what is stated to have happened and its statistically EXTREEMLY likely that what I described in number 1 did happen. Why is often a mystery to me but I watched a movie about trolling and I got to say some of these people just do it just to see if they can get away with it no other reason.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I dont think it is a smear campaign by any means. It would be very easy for NMS to come out and say this is how multiplayer works exactly. But the fact that they do not say anything at all speaks volumes on the matter.
They have always been very careful to avoid the multiplayer talking as much as possible and has been very vague on it. There definition of multiplayer may literly be nothing more then seeing other peoples discoveries. That would consider it to be multiplayer since there is that interaction going on. But how hard would it be for them to come out and say exactly how it works? The only reason to not clean up the mess and miss information is if they are afraid saying that, that is what multiplayer amoutns to would keep people from buying the game.
I dont think it is a smear campaign by any means. It would be very easy for NMS to come out and say this is how multiplayer works exactly. But the fact that they do not say anything at all speaks volumes on the matter.
They have always been very careful to avoid the multiplayer talking as much as possible and has been very vague on it. There definition of multiplayer may literly be nothing more then seeing other peoples discoveries. That would consider it to be multiplayer since there is that interaction going on. But how hard would it be for them to come out and say exactly how it works? The only reason to not clean up the mess and miss information is if they are afraid saying that, that is what multiplayer amoutns to would keep people from buying the game.
exact
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
No, you can't see the wood for the trees, as usual...
You dreamed-up TWO possible explanations for how the encounter could have been faked.
I said that the "how" is irrelevant.
Tbh, I'm not interested in your wacky conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in the questions that arise from this incident, regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Hello Games have been adamant that finding people will be very difficult and rare. That is the gaming equivalent of slapping someone through the face with a gauntlet and challenging them to a duel. Of course everyone will try their utmost to meet up after that, just to prove HG "wrong".
So far, HG has simply ignored this incident. They are either supremely confident of their position or staggeringly inept. Sony will no doubt be leaning on them hard if there's a potential bad outcome to this, because it will reflect on their PS4 business.
and the thing is despite interacting with me three times on this, once to complain about something being off topic while ignore the item with is numbered and is on topic you STILL havent addressed......item 2 on my list directly.
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
addresss number 2 above directly in detail or stop repllying to me
Yes, it would be possible to fake this by:
concocting an elaborate scheme to arrange a fake meeting of two streamers
fake the invisibility by playing in offline mode
I've humoured you, now tell me WHY you think anyone would bother to fake this ? Have you secretly become a NMS defender while I wasn't looking ?
that does not directly address:
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
does this game have an offline mode on it yes or not?
it is statistically near impossible for what is stated to have happened and its statistically EXTREEMLY likely that what I described in number 1 did happen. Why is often a mystery to me but I watched a movie about trolling and I got to say some of these people just do it just to see if they can get away with it no other reason.
I don't care if they faked it or not, to me that's irrelevant.
You don't have the foggiest clue what the statistical probability of a chance meeting is in NMS.
You don't know how many players there are. You don't know how many galaxies there are in the NMS universe. You don't know how many planets there are in a galaxy. You don't know the travel times between systems. You don't know the average number of planets visited by players per hour. You don't know the starting location distribution mechanism.
You are making a wild guess based on grossly inaccurate assumptions. Give it up.
I dont think it is a smear campaign by any means. It would be very easy for NMS to come out and say this is how multiplayer works exactly. But the fact that they do not say anything at all speaks volumes on the matter.
They have always been very careful to avoid the multiplayer talking as much as possible and has been very vague on it. There definition of multiplayer may literly be nothing more then seeing other peoples discoveries. That would consider it to be multiplayer since there is that interaction going on. But how hard would it be for them to come out and say exactly how it works? The only reason to not clean up the mess and miss information is if they are afraid saying that, that is what multiplayer amoutns to would keep people from buying the game.
At this point in time, the fact that Hello Games have made no response to this latest allegation means absolutely nothing.
A week before the launch, the streamers of the leaked game footage raised some damning allegations. HG never responded. Then one of the streamers discovered that his claim of "no available ship upgrades" was in fact wrong, because he did not understand the upgrade mechanism properly. HG kept quiet.
It could be that Hello Games have purposefully deceived gamers by allowing Sean Murray to spread misinformation during interviews. That would be a very risky strategy.
It could be that HG have designed the game with features that make arranged meetings difficult if not impossible. Perhaps the game mechanics only allow chance encounters.
HG have been consistently tight-lipped about NMS game features. They have tried very hard to keep as much as possible as a surprise. Perhaps players have simply not discovered the rules governing meetings yet. Players clearly have NOT discovered everything about NMS yet.
I think it's too early to start flinging fraud allegations around, but that won't stop the mob of course...
I don't care if they faked it or not, to me that's irrelevant.
You don't have the foggiest clue what the statistical probability of a chance meeting is in NMS.
You don't know how many players there are. You don't know how many galaxies there are in the NMS universe. You don't know how many planets there are in a galaxy. You don't know the travel times between systems. You don't know the average number of planets visited by players per hour. You don't know the starting location distribution mechanism.
You are making a wild guess based on grossly inaccurate assumptions. Give it up.
first you say you dont care then you talk about it as if you do care then you never bother to say what you do care about.
tell me what you care about and I will try to address it otherwise just stop replying about something you dont care about. I know enough about math and the size of our own galaxy to know its stastically impossible for someone to have found a named planet within a few days of playing a game, AND that person just happens to be a streamer as well. its almost impossible and YES i know enough to know that.
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No, you can't see the wood for the trees, as usual...
You dreamed-up TWO possible explanations for how the encounter could have been faked.
I said that the "how" is irrelevant.
Tbh, I'm not interested in your wacky conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in the questions that arise from this incident, regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Hello Games have been adamant that finding people will be very difficult and rare. That is the gaming equivalent of slapping someone through the face with a gauntlet and challenging them to a duel. Of course everyone will try their utmost to meet up after that, just to prove HG "wrong".
So far, HG has simply ignored this incident. They are either supremely confident of their position or staggeringly inept. Sony will no doubt be leaning on them hard if there's a potential bad outcome to this, because it will reflect on their PS4 business.
and the thing is despite interacting with me three times on this, once to complain about something being off topic while ignore the item with is numbered and is on topic you STILL havent addressed......item 2 on my list directly.
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
addresss number 2 above directly in detail or stop repllying to me
Yes, it would be possible to fake this by:
concocting an elaborate scheme to arrange a fake meeting of two streamers
fake the invisibility by playing in offline mode
I've humoured you, now tell me WHY you think anyone would bother to fake this ? Have you secretly become a NMS defender while I wasn't looking ?
that does not directly address:
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
does this game have an offline mode on it yes or not?
it is statistically near impossible for what is stated to have happened and its statistically EXTREEMLY likely that what I described in number 1 did happen. Why is often a mystery to me but I watched a movie about trolling and I got to say some of these people just do it just to see if they can get away with it no other reason.
I don't care if they faked it or not, to me that's irrelevant.
You don't have the foggiest clue what the statistical probability of a chance meeting is in NMS.
You don't know how many players there are. You don't know how many galaxies there are in the NMS universe. You don't know how many planets there are in a galaxy. You don't know the travel times between systems. You don't know the average number of planets visited by players per hour. You don't know the starting location distribution mechanism.
You are making a wild guess based on grossly inaccurate assumptions. Give it up.
first you say you dont care then you talk about it as if you do care then you never bother to say what you do care about.
tell me what you care about and I will try to address it otherwise just stop replying about something you dont care about. I know enough about math and the size of our own galaxy to know its stastically impossible for someone to have found a named planet within a few days of playing a game, AND that person just happens to be a streamer as well. its almost impossible and YES i know enough to know that.
Your knowledge of our galaxy is irrelevant to NMS.
Unlike Elite:Dangerous, NMS is not an attempt to model our galaxy. The make-up of galaxies in NMS is informed by the need to create an entertaining game, therefore the distribution and types of planets in each star system does not reflect reality at all.
NMS does not attempt to reflect reality, therefore your knowledge of reality has no relevance in NMS.
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Speaking for the US, $20 can make a difference to millions of gamers. When 1% own 95% of the wealth... There's some math to stew on that actually matters in life.
I don't think anyone knows how many galaxies there are in NMS.
We don't know if they are all roughly the same size.
We don't know how many planets are in a "typical" NMS galaxy (if there is such a thing).
We don't know if the starting galaxy is bigger, smaller or equivalent to the other galaxies.
Additionally, all players in the "starting galaxy" (Euclid) will start near the outer edge of that galaxy.
Just these facts make it impossible to calculate the odds of crossing paths with another player...
Murray went into further detail in a blog post on the No Man's Sky website, warning that the game may not be for some what they "imagined" the game to be based on its trailers.
"If you hoped for things like pvp multiplayer or city building, piloting freighters, or building civilizations… that isn’t what [No Man's Sky] is. Over time it might become some of those things through updates," Murray wrote, explaining that owning freighters and the ability to build bases are on the way.
Murray did go on to elaborate that, while No Man's Sky may not be those things, it is "an infinite procedural sci-fi-space-survival-sandbox... and it’s a very very chill game."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/08/no-mans-sky-is-not-a-multiplayer-game-hello-games-founder-says
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Regarding nms. The devs were misleading and deserve to be called out on it. This game appeals to explorers and that's it. Neat concept, hopefully they can add a significant amount of game features after release. As it stands now I don't think it warrants $50 let alone $60 unless you are one of the few explorers.
as I stated very clearly
that too could have been faked. inspect item 2 on my list
now if you like you can go back to my post and address my claim regarding THAT PART of the possible scam instead of focusing on the part you consider unimportant.
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I also agree that this game probably deserves less coverage on a site that is primarily MMO based.
Companies nowadays understand that most people have the attention span of a squirrel on meth, so they cater to the quick bang crowd by pumping and dumping games with massive cash shop options, just for the ROI, and then they move on to the next project.
It is a sad fall from grace for games, but I can see where it is also savvy business sense.
I watched the Colbert interview in its entirety. "Lying" may be too strong of a word, but as another poster on this site mentioned he definitely seems to be prevaricating. I fail to see how pointing this out equates to a "smear campaign". When a developer can't be honest about his/her product, s/he is either
a) ill informed
b) misrepresenting the product for some other purpose (profit, or to keep the hype train going).
In watching the above short video, and the full interview with Stephen Colbert, it unfortunately looks to be more of the latter although it's hard to judge a motive. This doesn't create a sense of "goodwill" toward the developer, which reduces confidence when looking at the long term. It may be a deal breaker for me.
That stated, overall it looks to be a very cool game, definitely right up my alley. I just wish the developer could have been honest about whether or not two players could interact.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
To you, everything even remotely related to NMS seems to be a scam or multi-level con job.
Sorry, but whenever people start offering explanations with Byzantine complexity I reach for Occam's Razor.
I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight...
"We have 1 billion planets" -yes, but not in a good way.
NMS's1 billion planets results in not a single planet matters.
do I have that right?
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However, as the message up until release was pretty much constantly 'our game world is huge, the chances of finding another player are like finding a particular grain of sand on a beach... but it definitely might happen' this makes me feel like Sean was trying to pull a fast one and got caught before he was ready.
...was he seriously hoping to keep his players in the dark about whether or not they ever ran across someone else, but to hold in their minds that it was definitely always a possibility?
That is, by definition, dishonest. I'm sorry if that's harsh; maybe I'm spoiled by a decade plus relationship with a very transparent and humble developer.
All the best to fans of this game. I look forward to playing it someday, but it looks more and more like it won't be a title I own unless Sean does something to correct this gaffe; either publicly apologize or add the features he hinted would be present. Honesty in a client-business relationship is just that important to me.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I am different in that if a game appears compelling to me I will still buy it I dont hold much in that decision based on what the developer says or doesnt say. HOWEVER, I do understand and empathises and agree with peoples frustration in that matter and I think the exucses fans are giving are just as bad.
However for me, its all 'trumped' by the fact that I dont find the game itself that intresting compared to what I am currently playing space game wise
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You dreamed-up TWO possible explanations for how the encounter could have been faked.
I said that the "how" is irrelevant.
Tbh, I'm not interested in your wacky conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in the questions that arise from this incident, regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Hello Games have been adamant that finding people will be very difficult and rare. That is the gaming equivalent of slapping someone through the face with a gauntlet and challenging them to a duel. Of course everyone will try their utmost to meet up after that, just to prove HG "wrong".
So far, HG has simply ignored this incident. They are either supremely confident of their position or staggeringly inept. Sony will no doubt be leaning on them hard if there's a potential bad outcome to this, because it will reflect on their PS4 business.
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
addresss number 2 above directly in detail or stop repllying to me
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I've humoured you, now tell me WHY you think anyone would bother to fake this ? Have you secretly become a NMS defender while I wasn't looking ?
2. If (like Elite) you can play in offline mode then its completely possible to fake this
does this game have an offline mode on it yes or not?
it is statistically near impossible for what is stated to have happened and its statistically EXTREEMLY likely that what I described in number 1 did happen. Why is often a mystery to me but I watched a movie about trolling and I got to say some of these people just do it just to see if they can get away with it no other reason.
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They have always been very careful to avoid the multiplayer talking as much as possible and has been very vague on it. There definition of multiplayer may literly be nothing more then seeing other peoples discoveries. That would consider it to be multiplayer since there is that interaction going on. But how hard would it be for them to come out and say exactly how it works? The only reason to not clean up the mess and miss information is if they are afraid saying that, that is what multiplayer amoutns to would keep people from buying the game.
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You don't have the foggiest clue what the statistical probability of a chance meeting is in NMS.
You don't know how many players there are.
You don't know how many galaxies there are in the NMS universe.
You don't know how many planets there are in a galaxy.
You don't know the travel times between systems.
You don't know the average number of planets visited by players per hour.
You don't know the starting location distribution mechanism.
You are making a wild guess based on grossly inaccurate assumptions. Give it up.
A week before the launch, the streamers of the leaked game footage raised some damning allegations. HG never responded. Then one of the streamers discovered that his claim of "no available ship upgrades" was in fact wrong, because he did not understand the upgrade mechanism properly. HG kept quiet.
It could be that Hello Games have purposefully deceived gamers by allowing Sean Murray to spread misinformation during interviews. That would be a very risky strategy.
It could be that HG have designed the game with features that make arranged meetings difficult if not impossible. Perhaps the game mechanics only allow chance encounters.
HG have been consistently tight-lipped about NMS game features. They have tried very hard to keep as much as possible as a surprise. Perhaps players have simply not discovered the rules governing meetings yet. Players clearly have NOT discovered everything about NMS yet.
I think it's too early to start flinging fraud allegations around, but that won't stop the mob of course...
then you talk about it as if you do care
then you never bother to say what you do care about.
tell me what you care about and I will try to address it otherwise just stop replying about something you dont care about. I know enough about math and the size of our own galaxy to know its stastically impossible for someone to have found a named planet within a few days of playing a game, AND that person just happens to be a streamer as well. its almost impossible and YES i know enough to know that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Unlike Elite:Dangerous, NMS is not an attempt to model our galaxy. The make-up of galaxies in NMS is informed by the need to create an entertaining game, therefore the distribution and types of planets in each star system does not reflect reality at all.
NMS does not attempt to reflect reality, therefore your knowledge of reality has no relevance in NMS.