Now being an intelligent women as i assume she is,she could EASILY deduce that it is SC hate and NOT targeted harassment,unless of course the target is directly SC,then i would tend to agree.
Sandy acts like her husband Chris and the business that is SC has received NONE such anger/hate
The difference between how this happens with CR and SG is that unlike CR, we saw things going way personal with her, when what goes on with CR is mostly about his work not about his personal life.
I don't think I'm ready for this thread to go down the forum psychologist route... If we are going to do this let's go full tilt and start making wild assumptions about everyone's mental states.
I'll go first: EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME HAS DADDY ISSUES!
Now being an intelligent women as i assume she is,she could EASILY deduce that it is SC hate and NOT targeted harassment,unless of course the target is directly SC,then i would tend to agree.
Sandy acts like her husband Chris and the business that is SC has received NONE such anger/hate
The difference between how this happens with CR and SG is that unlike CR, we saw things going way personal with her, when what goes on with CR is mostly about his work not about his personal life.
If they had personal dirt on CR, they would have whipped that out as well. Maybe he just had a more wholesome nerdier youth?
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You even know what that site is? Has nothing to do with porn.
Have you even visited the website? Example right on the homepage... A video of 2 blonde girls sucking a penis is not porn? the website he actually posted on this thread is indeed porn that ds posted on his feed on a pic of SG.
I am not going to go rooting around the back alleys of porn sites but this site you described has a video that Sandy Gardiner was in? If so then why would anyone think it was a good idea to have her in a position (no pun) as public as 'ask the verse' and then try and have her build a twitter presence?
Also if there is a video she appears in there and its a PUBLIC page then what exactly is harassing about someone (anyone not just Smart or one of his cronies) linking that?
Basically all the grasping at straws to even show 'harassment' have failed miserably here. Even the thing about the kids is dubious and from what I have seen there wasnt anything malicious about any photos that contained these kids and every photo that contained a picture of a child was available in more than a few places, some posted by Gardiner herself, for anyone to see and were basically 'exposed' to show that Gardiner and Roberts had children together.
It comes down to this, if the 'harassing' content is mostly or even all true can it be considered harassment? I suppose. But again the crux of all this is still the timing and what was said (and not said) here.
She kept it vague and the white knights who never think for themselves and jump right of the bridge of conclusions (see the first post in this very thread as proof of that) came out of the wood work. There was a small window of understanding, then once people(people who dont live and breath everything star citizen) had a chance to see what was going on and what all these 'harassing' incidences were some actual clarity came to this subject.
Still mostly shrouded in opinions and conjecture, but it surely isnt the nuclear bomb people made it out to be. So as the people who actually take the time to see both sides started trying to show that it wasnt nearly as bad as others made it out to be the white knight bridgejumpers who appeared initially in this thread went full attack mode (as they always do) to try and then steer the subject away from the actual discussion and bring the usual nonsense into it (like they always do).
Tat is the irony to all these star citizen discussions, it isnt the critics and naysayers who constantly derail them but the people trying to make a point and once that point is exposed as laughable they go into their typical tactics.
Had she actually been harassed and driven away by someone sure have the conversation, which is what this thread sor t of started out as, but its clear that that isnt what happened and since it isnt an actual social consciousness problem where the 'victim' is an ACTUAL victim it has devolved into generics that are getting convoluted.
I dont think even the harshest critic would condone actual threats or harassment against anyone woman or not. There maybe be some degrees assigned due to 'helplessness' or apparent helplessness of a victim but no one really likes bullies. But its clear here that none of that happened (beyond what everyone has known for the past few years). So this is just a dramafest created for whatever reason (I have alluded to them previously)
If they had personal dirt on CR, they would have whipped that out as well. Maybe he just had a more wholesome nerdier youth?
His wife seems to be an easier target, it also hits him as it's direct family we're talking about. However CR has been a public figure on the industry for a long time, unlike SG.
What is with people and thinking being in porn is bad? I don't get people's hangup about someone pulling a paycheck while having a good fuck. Shit if someone offered me a few bucks to put my crank in some strange on tape you'd be seeing my hairy ass on the redtube highlight reels.
Hope we can put this one to rest! The movie was a big flop, dud, adios!
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Hope we can put this one to rest! The movie was a big flop, dud, adios!
Oh man I loved that movie. It was so bad I couldn't help but love it. I liken it to the Mario Bros. movie; simply a classic bad movie everyone has to see at least once.
What is with people and thinking being in porn is bad? I don't get people's hangup about someone pulling a paycheck while having a good fuck. Shit if someone offered me a few bucks to put my crank in some strange on tape you'd be seeing my hairy ass on the redtube highlight reels.
I don't think porn itself is necessarily bad, but I do not believe it speaks well for individuals who partake in it for the following reasons (in no specific order):
1) It demonstrates a lack of character and self-worth by the standards as established and accepted by society regarding privacy, shame, and body value.
2) It displays a critical lack of life skills (porn is often considered an occupation of similar skill prerequisites to ditch digging and lawn mowing. You may dispute that as you like, but that is the perception).
3) Despite what the participant suffers in terms of stigma, it doesn't pay particularly well.
4) Like a tattoo, it 'brands' the actor for the rest of their lives, inviting (whether you believe it to be fair or not) criticism, judgment, and exclusion.
Overall, I look at people who participate in pornographic filming in the role of actors as the societal equivalent of drifters; vagabonds with no clear-cut direction in life, who are looking to make a quick buck at the expense of humiliation (and potential exposure to disease) and - possibly - their futures. Making a porno does not display a whole heck of a lot of foresight, intelligence or class, and that is why these people are looked upon the way they are.
If they had personal dirt on CR, they would have whipped that out as well. Maybe he just had a more wholesome nerdier youth?
His wife seems to be an easier target, it also hits him as it's direct family we're talking about. However CR has been a public figure on the industry for a long time, unlike SG.
But SB Ford didn't mention D Smart, neither did S Gardiner. It is a matter of record that S Gardiner blocked D Smart from her social media sometime ago.
So why have you and bunny guy brought him into the discussion, to the point that he is the topic? Why haven't you gone after whoever S Gardiner was actually complaining about?
Could it be you are persuing D Smart because he is an easier target?
But SB Ford didn't mention D Smart, neither did S Gardiner. It is a matter of record that S Gardiner blocked D Smart from her social media sometime ago.
So why have you and bunny guy brought him into the discussion, to the point that he is the topic? Why haven't you gone after whoever S Gardiner was actually complaining about?
Doesn't matter, neither did any blocks you mention did stop DS from continuing doing what he was doing; if the situation had stop there is one thing... yet far from it.
It's not known what was the specific trigger to whatever caused that statement, the discussion turn into him as he is very well known for going after her as he was and is trying to setup a whole public shamming show against her. And well you seem to agree with me, as you seem to have marked "Agree" on all the posts of other users that claim that she is being harassed as DS is also getting harassed back on this.
Go read my original post so you can see how Erillion decided to edit my post so he could attack me indirectly. If he's willing to do that then makes you wonder what else he's willing to edit to further his agenda
Feel free to show where I changed your post.
So I "could attack you indirectly". ;-)
Do not insinuate. Do not hint. Do not allude. Show EXACTLY where you believe your text was changed. Show us the "before" and "after" version.
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@vorpal28 covered it nicely for me so thanks for that. Is that sufficient enough for you Erillion?
Hope we can put this one to rest! The movie was a big flop, dud, adios!
Oh man I loved that movie. It was so bad I couldn't help but love it. I liken it to the Mario Bros. movie; simply a classic bad movie everyone has to see at least once.
What is with people and thinking being in porn is bad? I don't get people's hangup about someone pulling a paycheck while having a good fuck. Shit if someone offered me a few bucks to put my crank in some strange on tape you'd be seeing my hairy ass on the redtube highlight reels.
I don't think porn itself is necessarily bad, but I do not believe it speaks well for individuals who partake in it for the following reasons (in no specific order):
1) It demonstrates a lack of character and self-worth by the standards as established and accepted by society regarding privacy, shame, and body value.
2) It displays a critical lack of life skills (porn is often considered an occupation of similar skill prerequisites to ditch digging and lawn mowing. You may dispute that as you like, but that is the perception).
3) Despite what the participant suffers in terms of stigma, it doesn't pay particularly well.
4) Like a tattoo, it 'brands' the actor for the rest of their lives, inviting (whether you believe it to be fair or not) criticism, judgment, and exclusion.
Overall, I look at people who participate in pornographic filming in the role of actors as the societal equivalent of drifters; vagabonds with no clear-cut direction in life, who are looking to make a quick buck at the expense of humiliation (and potential exposure to disease) and - possibly - their futures. Making a porno does not display a whole heck of a lot of foresight, intelligence or class, and that is why these people are looked upon the way they are.
Haha yeah I know all this, the hangups normies have with porn just amuses me is all. Most of these ideas are pretty common among the religious and such as well and I deal with a lot of the religious in my every day life.
I do find your point of view interesting when it comes to the character of those who work in the industry though lol.
But SB Ford didn't mention D Smart, neither did S Gardiner. It is a matter of record that S Gardiner blocked D Smart from her social media sometime ago.
So why have you and bunny guy brought him into the discussion, to the point that he is the topic? Why haven't you gone after whoever S Gardiner was actually complaining about?
Doesn't matter, neither did any blocks you mention did stop DS from continuing doing what he was doing; if the situation had stop there is one thing... yet far from it.
It's not known what was the specific trigger to whatever caused that statement, the discussion turn into him as he is very well known for going after her as he was and is trying to setup a whole public shamming show against her. And well you seem to agree with me, as you seem to have marked "Agree" on all the posts of other users that claim that she is being harassed as DS is also getting harassed back on this.
OK so it's fine to harass and disparage the African American, because reasons.
But discussing the actual perpetrators doesn't matter because it is too hard.
Go read my original post so you can see how Erillion decided to edit my post so he could attack me indirectly. If he's willing to do that then makes you wonder what else he's willing to edit to further his agenda
Feel free to show where I changed your post.
So I "could attack you indirectly". ;-)
Do not insinuate. Do not hint. Do not allude. Show EXACTLY where you believe your text was changed. Show us the "before" and "after" version.
Have fun
@vorpal28 covered it nicely for me so thanks for that. Is that sufficient enough for you Erillion?
I am still waiting for bunny boy to provide his own figure for the earnings of 'Wing Commander'. He still hasn't responded to that request.
Derek Smart being harassed solely because he is African American makes exactly as much sense as the early claims that Sandi Gardiner is being harassed solely because she is female.
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Also if there is a video she appears in there and its a PUBLIC page then what exactly is harassing about someone (anyone not just Smart or one of his cronies) linking that?
Basically all the grasping at straws to even show 'harassment' have failed miserably here. Even the thing about the kids is dubious and from what I have seen there wasnt anything malicious about any photos that contained these kids and every photo that contained a picture of a child was available in more than a few places, some posted by Gardiner herself, for anyone to see and were basically 'exposed' to show that Gardiner and Roberts had children together.
It comes down to this, if the 'harassing' content is mostly or even all true can it be considered harassment? I suppose. But again the crux of all this is still the timing and what was said (and not said) here.
She kept it vague and the white knights who never think for themselves and jump right of the bridge of conclusions (see the first post in this very thread as proof of that) came out of the wood work. There was a small window of understanding, then once people(people who dont live and breath everything star citizen) had a chance to see what was going on and what all these 'harassing' incidences were some actual clarity came to this subject.
Still mostly shrouded in opinions and conjecture, but it surely isnt the nuclear bomb people made it out to be. So as the people who actually take the time to see both sides started trying to show that it wasnt nearly as bad as others made it out to be the white knight bridgejumpers who appeared initially in this thread went full attack mode (as they always do) to try and then steer the subject away from the actual discussion and bring the usual nonsense into it (like they always do).
Tat is the irony to all these star citizen discussions, it isnt the critics and naysayers who constantly derail them but the people trying to make a point and once that point is exposed as laughable they go into their typical tactics.
Had she actually been harassed and driven away by someone sure have the conversation, which is what this thread sor t of started out as, but its clear that that isnt what happened and since it isnt an actual social consciousness problem where the 'victim' is an ACTUAL victim it has devolved into generics that are getting convoluted.
I dont think even the harshest critic would condone actual threats or harassment against anyone woman or not. There maybe be some degrees assigned due to 'helplessness' or apparent helplessness of a victim but no one really likes bullies. But its clear here that none of that happened (beyond what everyone has known for the past few years). So this is just a dramafest created for whatever reason (I have alluded to them previously)
Is like that other route: "I'm a certified lawyer."
Only that the first one is worse, as on the 2nd we would have to have at least some sense and logic on what we would say.
His wife seems to be an easier target, it also hits him as it's direct family we're talking about. However CR has been a public figure on the industry for a long time, unlike SG.
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1) It demonstrates a lack of character and self-worth by the standards as established and accepted by society regarding privacy, shame, and body value.
2) It displays a critical lack of life skills (porn is often considered an occupation of similar skill prerequisites to ditch digging and lawn mowing. You may dispute that as you like, but that is the perception).
3) Despite what the participant suffers in terms of stigma, it doesn't pay particularly well.
4) Like a tattoo, it 'brands' the actor for the rest of their lives, inviting (whether you believe it to be fair or not) criticism, judgment, and exclusion.
Overall, I look at people who participate in pornographic filming in the role of actors as the societal equivalent of drifters; vagabonds with no clear-cut direction in life, who are looking to make a quick buck at the expense of humiliation (and potential exposure to disease) and - possibly - their futures. Making a porno does not display a whole heck of a lot of foresight, intelligence or class, and that is why these people are looked upon the way they are.
So why have you and bunny guy brought him into the discussion, to the point that he is the topic? Why haven't you gone after whoever S Gardiner was actually complaining about?
Could it be you are persuing D Smart because he is an easier target?
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It's not known what was the specific trigger to whatever caused that statement, the discussion turn into him as he is very well known for going after her as he was and is trying to setup a whole public shamming show against her. And well you seem to agree with me, as you seem to have marked "Agree" on all the posts of other users that claim that she is being harassed as DS is also getting harassed back on this.
Have fun
I do find your point of view interesting when it comes to the character of those who work in the industry though lol.
But discussing the actual perpetrators doesn't matter because it is too hard.
That one was really really really low. I didn't expect you could possibly go as low as that.
=/
This is going lower than a dumpster fire.
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