I have a game i currently play on its alpha stage and i like it. The moment there is an hate campaign going on against SC there is also the opposite, because one does not exist without the other.
Also i don't dedicate my life unlike him, i post on an internet forum about it. ^-^
You don't know that he dedicates his life. Actually, the amount of posts per hour per day that you are active may outweigh his involvement.
And I think you answered your own question about what motivates DS every day - the ongoing (in his view) campaign to legitimize something he sees as illegitimate. Just like you have to try and keep that movement legitimate.
Both parties are obsessed with equal valor in my opinion at least. Pretending that DS is spending his life caring while you apparently are above that is disingenuous at best.
I do have to laugh when you post a reddit site called after Derek Smart and say he is harassing SG. You can't make this stuff up, even in soap operas.
Doesn't change any of its sourced contents of what he did against her. That are you are conveniently ignoring ... Feels as you are defending DS and endorsing what he has been doing on this specific case here.
Not at all, I just feel this has to do with something else and it could be the start of the company closing up. We will know more after we see what is coming up with citizencon or if it is canceled. But I do think it has to all do with Feds making them opening their books. Hell we see this happening in politics all the time (don't look over there look at this).
Just more questions come up with how this is all unraveling.
Also from things I have read Smart didn't post those actress pictures of SG child, it was just a retweet from someone else, wasn't it? At least that was how I read it.
Also isn't imdb there to show off who they are and what they have done in the industry? So even posting from that site is now called child porn?
I get more confused more I read!
So you're saying that you see nothing wrong with the list of links posted on Page 1?
When they were collected individually it was for a purpose and to prove a point and to bring light to a truth. The person who compiled it in to one huge list and said "hey look at this one big huge creepy list some guys made" is creating a lie plain and simple. If you can't see it then it's because you don't want you.
Knowing the history of the projects and Derek's blogs you all know damn well how and why that info was collected and for what purpose.
You don't know that he dedicates his life. Actually, the amount of posts per hour per day that you are active may outweigh his involvement.
And I think you answered your own question about what motivates DS every day - the ongoing (in his view) campaign to legitimize something he sees as illegitimate. Just like you have to try and keep that movement legitimate.
Both parties are obsessed with equal valor in my opinion at least. Pretending that DS is spending his life caring while you apparently are above that is disingenuous at best.
Actually i know. You are speaking hot air here, nobody, NOBODY on the whole SC community dedicates more time and effort to it than DS, every single day on his life.
And he actually already admitted it, he is retired and this is what he chosen to do to spend his retirement.
Trying to understand DS's behavior is confusing, what drives and motivates him to dedicated every day of his life to SC.
The same could be asked of you to be honest.
If the guy is a fan why is that weird? He probably has money in the game. Don't all fanboys defend their chosen game?
On the other hand last I checked Smart is a competing developer who is supposed to be working on his own game (which is 5 years delayed at this point) and is the public facing front of his own company who spends literally every day on twitter throwing wild accusations at Roberts and his family and coworkers. Why would that NOT be confusing? It confuses the fuck out of me.
How are these two things not different to you?
From DS's point of view, he is protecting people from wasting their money on a boondoggle. How can you not see that?
You don't know that he dedicates his life. Actually, the amount of posts per hour per day that you are active may outweigh his involvement.
And I think you answered your own question about what motivates DS every day - the ongoing (in his view) campaign to legitimize something he sees as illegitimate. Just like you have to try and keep that movement legitimate.
Both parties are obsessed with equal valor in my opinion at least. Pretending that DS is spending his life caring while you apparently are above that is disingenuous at best.
Actually i know. You are speaking hot air here, nobody, NOBODY on the whole SC community dedicates more time and effort to it than DS, every single day on his life.
And he actually already admitted it, he is retired and this is what he chosen to do to spend his retirement.
No, you don't know. You're just making shit up again.
Okay if all of you people say Smart is the harasser then why not file it in court and go after him? If everything you guys are saying is true, why aren't they taking him to court? When I read that Escapist article and the response back from Roberts I thought then why haven't you taken him to court?
Unless SG takes him to court or files a report with officials then I would love to hear the reasons why her or Roberts haven't? The least she can do is file against Smart and state the reasons for it. Sue his ass off and clear your name. If she doesn't do that then there is nothing here to see and it is being done for other reasons.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
If the guy is a fan why is that weird? He probably has money in the game. Don't all fanboys defend their chosen game?
On the other hand last I checked Smart is a competing developer who is supposed to be working on his own game (which is 5 years delayed at this point) and is the public facing front of his own company who spends literally every day on twitter throwing wild accusations at Roberts and his family and coworkers. Why would that NOT be confusing? It confuses the fuck out of me.
How are these two things not different to you?
From DS's point of view, he is protecting people from wasting their money on a boondoggle. How can you not see that?
Because rather than do something like I don't know... present evidence of an actual boondoggle; he would rather post personal details, retweet shitposts from SA, dox people who called him out, or his newest trick actively stating that a current employee (BY NAME) is the mole he has inside CIG simply to try and get that person fired.
It's kinda hard to see his good intentions through all that oddly ill-intention looking action honestly.
Oh LOL, so you come, say "you're wrong" and they demand for evidence from the other side? You're the one claiming i'm wrong and i don't know, why don't you prove it?!
Otherwise you don't know i am wrong you're just making shit up for the sake of attacking me.
Okay if all of you people say Smart is the harasser then why not file it in court and go after him? If everything you guys are saying is true, why aren't they taking him to court? When I read that Escapist article and the response back from Roberts I thought then why haven't you taken him to court?
Unless SG takes him to court or files a report with officials then I would love to hear the reasons why her or Roberts haven't? The least she can do is file against Smart and state the reasons for it. Sue his ass off and clear your name. If she doesn't do that then there is nothing here to see and it is being done for other reasons.
I'd figure it's probably because the simple fact is Smart seems to be making them MORE money lol. It's kind of hard to win a case for harm when the guy who's thrashing you is so bad at it that it makes you richer.
Okay if all of you people say Smart is the harasser then why not file it in court and go after him? If everything you guys are saying is true, why aren't they taking him to court? When I read that Escapist article and the response back from Roberts I thought then why haven't you taken him to court?
Unless SG takes him to court or files a report with officials then I would love to hear the reasons why her or Roberts haven't? The least she can do is file against Smart and state the reasons for it. Sue his ass off and clear your name. If she doesn't do that then there is nothing here to see and it is being done for other reasons.
I'd figure it's probably because the simple fact is Smart seems to be making them MORE money lol. It's kind of hard to win a case for harm when the guy who's thrashing you is so bad at it that it makes you richer.
Okay if all of you people say Smart is the harasser then why not file it in court and go after him? If everything you guys are saying is true, why aren't they taking him to court? When I read that Escapist article and the response back from Roberts I thought then why haven't you taken him to court?
Unless SG takes him to court or files a report with officials then I would love to hear the reasons why her or Roberts haven't? The least she can do is file against Smart and state the reasons for it. Sue his ass off and clear your name. If she doesn't do that then there is nothing here to see and it is being done for other reasons.
I'd figure it's probably because the simple fact is Smart seems to be making them MORE money lol. It's kind of hard to win a case for harm when the guy who's thrashing you is so bad at it that it makes you richer.
So SG could be doing this for money? I can believe that, because they do take a lot of vacations, also seems like movies may get made from those funds. Like i stated brings up more questions than any who or why she pulled this and after being happy over 9000 followers. But then women are always confusing and do stuff guys just shake their heads at.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
If the guy is a fan why is that weird? He probably has money in the game. Don't all fanboys defend their chosen game?
On the other hand last I checked Smart is a competing developer who is supposed to be working on his own game (which is 5 years delayed at this point) and is the public facing front of his own company who spends literally every day on twitter throwing wild accusations at Roberts and his family and coworkers. Why would that NOT be confusing? It confuses the fuck out of me.
How are these two things not different to you?
From DS's point of view, he is protecting people from wasting their money on a boondoggle. How can you not see that?
Because rather than do something like I don't know... present evidence of an actual boondoggle; he would rather post personal details, retweet shitposts from SA, dox people who called him out, or his newest trick actively stating that a current employee (BY NAME) is the mole he has inside CIG simply to try and get that person fired.
It's kinda hard to see his good intentions through all that oddly ill-intention looking action honestly.
The pro side does the same thing though. Instead of presenting evidence, they spin all day long to make things sound better than they are. How many times has DKLond told people that they lack emotional empathy or there is something wrong with their brain if they see this project as underwhelming or disappointing? How many times do we have to see Bacon say that everyone is obsessed before we call him out for being obsessed?
It is kind of hard to see good intentions from both sides, but I personally think good intentions are there (within both criticism and praise). Derek Smart is a particularly obnoxious figure in my opinion that takes things to far, but who am I to question his motivations? Both sides are insulting and over the top. You have to pick through the weeds to find posters that are intellectually honest at this point.
That there are some posters that act like NOTHING is wrong and some posters that act like EVERTHING is wrong is an issue that we apparently have to deal with at this point.
Last I checked they pulled in more money since he started his crusade in comparison to the years preceding in the same time frame. The fact is if Smart is having an impact, the numbers would support that it is a positive one.
Oh LOL, so you come, say "you're wrong" and they demand for evidence from the other side? You're the one claiming i'm wrong and i don't know, why don't you prove it?!
Otherwise you don't know i am wrong you're just making shit up for the sake of attacking me.
No, you made the claim that Derek Smart dedicated every day of his life to SC. I said that you don't know that, you then said you did know that flat out, and I then later asked you to present evidence of it.
So SG could be doing this for money? I can believe that, because they do take a lot of vacations, also seems like movies may get made from those funds. Like i stated brings up more questions than any who or why she pulled this and after being happy over 9000 followers. But then women are always confusing and do stuff guys just shake their heads at.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was something they were all in on, hell if it were true I'd be overjoyed to see the fury of all the butthurt both sides of this little man-baby crusade would generate.
I could die a happy man.
@BeansnBread I actually agree. Both sides of this flame war act like morons and that is why you'll find me here poking both sides to get reactions. I'm in this purely for my own amusement.
Not that I am advocating online harrassment, but I have never cared for Sandi Gardiner.
- I don't believe she has done a good job of marketing Star Citizen at all, and I don't believe she is qualified for the role. ( I thought this before the wife thing came out ). This has nothing to do with being a woman.
- I feel the being married to CR and hiding it from everyone was extremely dishonest, and I truly believe without that piece of nepotism she'd NEVER have held that role. Chris and Sandi being married and the way it was revealed was the single biggest nail in the coffin for me regarding SC, it made me lose trust for any words CR or Sandi speak. I don't believe this has anything to do with being a woman either, I'd think the same if she was CR's gay partner.
Does either of these reasons make me a bad person? I don't think so, you are allowed to hold opinions of people male or female.
The whole online harassment thing is unfortunate though, I am sure people are taking it all way too far and the lines are getting super blurred in regards to people targeting her. So people should probably knock that shit off and leave her alone. But it doesn't mean people have to like her or can't level harsh opnions her way.
Last I checked they pulled in more money since he started his crusade in comparison to the years preceding in the same time frame. The fact is if Smart is having an impact, the numbers would support that it is a positive one.
Err I don't think that's the case. I also don't think CIG's official numbers count refunds.
Personally I think this whole refund drive might have some slight negative impact but there's plenty of whales that keep on buying so income is steadily coming in for CIG.
Okay if all of you people say Smart is the harasser then why not file it in court and go after him? If everything you guys are saying is true, why aren't they taking him to court? When I read that Escapist article and the response back from Roberts I thought then why haven't you taken him to court?
Unless SG takes him to court or files a report with officials then I would love to hear the reasons why her or Roberts haven't? The least she can do is file against Smart and state the reasons for it. Sue his ass off and clear your name. If she doesn't do that then there is nothing here to see and it is being done for other reasons.
Because not every nutjob on the internet needs to be taken seriously or "responded to". Some are best simply ignored. Giving them a grandstand and the publicity they crave is the worst thing you can do.
DS is one of the more visible harassers, but by no means the only one. He has quite a few disciples, just check the SA forums if you doubt that.
If you read through reddit you will find a lot of posts of them going on vacations during holidays and not holidays. But think you may have already known that.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
Err I don't think that's the case. I also don't think CIG's official numbers count refunds.
Personally I think this whole refund drive might have some slight negative impact but there's plenty of whales that keep on buying so income is steadily coming in for CIG.
Believe whatever helps you carry that torch my friend; I'm simply going by the only numbers available and the fact that CIG has done little to nothing about the good doctor. To me that combo says someone is milking this attention. ;D
No, you made the claim that Derek Smart dedicated every day of his life to SC. I said that you don't know that, you then said you did know that flat out, and I then later asked you to present evidence of it.
So that's simple, it's twitter feed shows it loud and clear. In fact he is the reason i left twitter on the first place, as i said before i used to follow SC content on it and it got to a point it was mostly drama about DS and flame wars.
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And I think you answered your own question about what motivates DS every day - the ongoing (in his view) campaign to legitimize something he sees as illegitimate. Just like you have to try and keep that movement legitimate.
Both parties are obsessed with equal valor in my opinion at least. Pretending that DS is spending his life caring while you apparently are above that is disingenuous at best.
Knowing the history of the projects and Derek's blogs you all know damn well how and why that info was collected and for what purpose.
And he actually already admitted it, he is retired and this is what he chosen to do to spend his retirement.
Unless SG takes him to court or files a report with officials then I would love to hear the reasons why her or Roberts haven't? The least she can do is file against Smart and state the reasons for it. Sue his ass off and clear your name. If she doesn't do that then there is nothing here to see and it is being done for other reasons.
Rob Manuel
It's kinda hard to see his good intentions through all that oddly ill-intention looking action honestly.
Otherwise you don't know i am wrong you're just making shit up for the sake of attacking me.
..Cake..
Rob Manuel
It is kind of hard to see good intentions from both sides, but I personally think good intentions are there (within both criticism and praise). Derek Smart is a particularly obnoxious figure in my opinion that takes things to far, but who am I to question his motivations? Both sides are insulting and over the top. You have to pick through the weeds to find posters that are intellectually honest at this point.
That there are some posters that act like NOTHING is wrong and some posters that act like EVERTHING is wrong is an issue that we apparently have to deal with at this point.
I never even made a claim.
I could die a happy man.
@BeansnBread
I actually agree. Both sides of this flame war act like morons and that is why you'll find me here poking both sides to get reactions. I'm in this purely for my own amusement.
- I don't believe she has done a good job of marketing Star Citizen at all, and I don't believe she is qualified for the role. ( I thought this before the wife thing came out ). This has nothing to do with being a woman.
- I feel the being married to CR and hiding it from everyone was extremely dishonest, and I truly believe without that piece of nepotism she'd NEVER have held that role. Chris and Sandi being married and the way it was revealed was the single biggest nail in the coffin for me regarding SC, it made me lose trust for any words CR or Sandi speak. I don't believe this has anything to do with being a woman either, I'd think the same if she was CR's gay partner.
Does either of these reasons make me a bad person? I don't think so, you are allowed to hold opinions of people male or female.
The whole online harassment thing is unfortunate though, I am sure people are taking it all way too far and the lines are getting super blurred in regards to people targeting her. So people should probably knock that shit off and leave her alone. But it doesn't mean people have to like her or can't level harsh opnions her way.
Personally I think this whole refund drive might have some slight negative impact but there's plenty of whales that keep on buying so income is steadily coming in for CIG.
..Cake..
DS is one of the more visible harassers, but by no means the only one. He has quite a few disciples, just check the SA forums if you doubt that.
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If you read through reddit you will find a lot of posts of them going on vacations during holidays and not holidays. But think you may have already known that.
Rob Manuel
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