If they are "starter ships" that means they are acquired close to the "start" of the game so what is the financial incentive of buying something your going to be "given for free" anyway early in the game?
Starter ships are ships with simplified controller and software packages, making it easier to learn how to fly. Less options that can confuse you.
Starter ships tend to be small, one man affairs. With equipment which is functional, but not top of the line.
Aurora is a multi-role starter ship (transport, exploration, fighting if you are a masochist)
Mustang is a fighter / Racing ship at the starter level.
Yeah and according to the fans they aren't selling ships post launch. So what is it? Can you buy ships after launch or is my statement about buying ships now to get an advantage true?
They will be selling in-game currency post launch. Or at least that is the current plan. So you will be able to spend real life money to get ships (or any other items).
---> According to current knowledge you will NOT be able to buy anything else
than a starter ship (currently Mustang or Aurora) with real-world money
( or real world money converted to in-game money). Because THAT
converted currency is in a special wallet of limited size. Separate from
your in game money wallet. Big enough to buy ship skins, basic ship
modules or tune-up kits. But too small to buy a ship.
--> And the conversion rate 1$ = 1000 UEC is a joke. Its a much better idea to spend a few minutes doing a mission and getting 3000 UEC for a mission (yesterdays example).
--> Have fun
Erillion man you need to get all these other fans together in a chat room and work on all your stories. As it stands your hard work is being undermined by other fellow fans who like to spit out whatever info works for the argument at hand while ignoring the big picture lol
Starter ships can be bought after launch day. Currently thats the Aurora and the Mustang.
Have fun
I'm curious of that statement.
If they are "starter ships" that means they are acquired close to the "start" of the game so what is the financial incentive of buying something your going to be "given for free" anyway early in the game?
Tbh, I don't think anyone can really answer that question definitively, not even CR himself.
The PU is still probably a year away at best, so final decisions around monetization are probably not going to be made at this point.
There's a vast difference between "we are thinking about doing it this way" and what is actually done when the time comes...
---> According to current knowledge you will NOT be able to buy anything else
than a starter ship (currently Mustang or Aurora) with real-world money
( or real world money converted to in-game money). Because THAT
converted currency is in a special wallet of limited size. Separate from
your in game money wallet. Big enough to buy ship skins, basic ship
modules or tune-up kits. But too small to buy a ship.
--> And the conversion rate 1$ = 1000 UEC is a joke. Its a much better idea to spend a few minutes doing a mission and getting 3000 UEC for a mission (yesterdays example).
--> Have fun
Interesting. I never heard of the wallet limit before.
I don't think it's a sensible solution. Imposing a limit on a micro-transaction payment model seems strange. The whole idea of the model is that someone can spend a lot, so others don't have to.
Especially in this game, which is known for people who spend huge amounts of money. When I spoke to others on the CIG forums, most think that the current pricing of ships is at a "discount", compared to what could be charged for them in the future. This was said by Chris Roberts in the past.
It's a difficult predicament. Similar to Shroud of the Avatar, where people spent $150+ for buildings. Now buildings in SOTA are extremely difficult to obtain for most. What will happen in SC is you'll have people who spent 200$ for a medium range ship.
Guess we will have to see what happens.
Do you know how to plan to monetise after release? Is the current knowledge that they will be selling starter packages + in-game currency with a strict cap?
Do you know how to plan to monetise after release? Is the current knowledge that they will be selling starter packages + in-game currency with a strict cap?
Monetization:
Follow on episodes of SQ 42, some non-fight related.
Selling starter ships.
Ship skins
Temporary tune up kits
basic ship modules
Deco items for the hangar
Possible continuation of subscription (continuation of Jump Point Magazine and special decoration items)
Tickets for in house shows
1 $ = 1000 UEC conversion ( IMHO useless after maybe 7 days after launch)
SC/SQ42 Merchandise
That is what has been mentioned.
My speculation: If they use a reputation system, there might be "temporary rep boosters" to reduce grind
Do you know how to plan to monetise after release? Is the current knowledge that they will be selling starter packages + in-game currency with a strict cap?
Monetization:
Follow on episodes of SQ 42, some non-fight related.
Selling starter ships.
Ship skins
Temporary tune up kits
basic ship modules
Deco items for the hangar
Possible continuation of subscription (continuation of Jump Point Magazine and special decoration items)
Tickets for in house shows
1 $ = 1000 UEC conversion ( IMHO useless after maybe 7 days after launch)
SC/SQ42 Merchandise
That is what has been mentioned.
My speculation: If they use a reputation system, there might be "temporary rep boosters" to reduce grind
SC/SQ42 The Movie
SC/SQ42 The Animated series
SC/SQ42 Action Figures
SC/SQ42 Ship models
SC/SQ42 novels
SC/SQ42 grafic novels
Going full Star Warsy Lukas style ...
Have fun
Is Chris going to direct the movie or do they actually want to make money?
Yeah and according to the fans they aren't selling ships post launch. So what is it? Can you buy ships after launch or is my statement about buying ships now to get an advantage true?
They will be selling in-game currency post launch. Or at least that is the current plan. So you will be able to spend real life money to get ships (or any other items).
---> According to current knowledge you will NOT be able to buy anything else
than a starter ship (currently Mustang or Aurora) with real-world money
( or real world money converted to in-game money). Because THAT
converted currency is in a special wallet of limited size. Separate from
your in game money wallet. Big enough to buy ship skins, basic ship
modules or tune-up kits. But too small to buy a ship.
--> And the conversion rate 1$ = 1000 UEC is a joke. Its a much better idea to spend a few minutes doing a mission and getting 3000 UEC for a mission (yesterdays example).
Yeah and according to the fans they aren't selling ships post launch. So what is it? Can you buy ships after launch or is my statement about buying ships now to get an advantage true?
They will be selling in-game currency post launch. Or at least that is the current plan. So you will be able to spend real life money to get ships (or any other items).
---> According to current knowledge you will NOT be able to buy anything else
than a starter ship (currently Mustang or Aurora) with real-world money
( or real world money converted to in-game money). Because THAT
converted currency is in a special wallet of limited size. Separate from
your in game money wallet. Big enough to buy ship skins, basic ship
modules or tune-up kits. But too small to buy a ship.
--> And the conversion rate 1$ = 1000 UEC is a joke. Its a much better idea to spend a few minutes doing a mission and getting 3000 UEC for a mission (yesterdays example).
And as has been discussed (and proven) here in this subforum about two dozen times, CIG has made clear in an official statement (made after this Bar Citizen event) that the only ships sold after launch will be starter ships (currently Mustang and Aurora).
And that also has been discussed and proven for your benefit many times.
That "proof" of yours was in relation to a completely separate discussion between two different people about a comment made by BadNewsBaron, not the comment made by Chris Roberts.
I mean come on, why would an underling make an official statement on behalf of Chris Roberts, especially a statement saying that their boss was wrong.
It was an official CIG communication. As an answer to the recurring question if ships other than starter ships will be sold post launch. Status today that is still the official CIG position. This CIG communication (to be found many times here in this subforum) was many months later than the BarCitizen event.
If they are "starter ships" that means they are acquired close to the "start" of the game so what is the financial incentive of buying something your going to be "given for free" anyway early in the game?
Starter ships are ships with simplified controller and software packages, making it easier to learn how to fly. Less options that can confuse you.
Starter ships tend to be small, one man affairs. With equipment which is functional, but not top of the line.
Aurora is a multi-role starter ship (transport, exploration, fighting if you are a masochist)
Mustang is a fighter / Racing ship at the starter level.
Have fun
So it's pay to win?
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
It was an official CIG communication. As an answer to the recurring question if ships other than starter ships will be sold post launch. Status today that is still the official CIG position. This CIG communication (to be found many times here in this subforum) was many months later than the BarCitizen event.
Have fun
No it was not. It was a statement addressing an inaccurate comment made by a popular streamer. - Streamer says "So and so at CIG said this..." - Addressed on forums by so and so as "What streamer said is not a comment that I made".
None of that has any bearing on the comment Chris Roberts made.
I'm honestly amazed that we need to go over this so many times, I know it doesn't help with your continued claim that nothing will be sold post launch but there is information from the head man that contradicts that claim. Until there is a definitive statement printed on their website (not a random comment in the forums) then things remain uncertain.
It was an official CIG communication. As an answer to the recurring question if ships other than starter ships will be sold post launch. Status today that is still the official CIG position. This CIG communication (to be found many times here in this subforum) was many months later than the BarCitizen event.
Have fun
No it was not. It was a statement addressing an inaccurate comment made by a popular streamer. - Streamer says "So and so at CIG said this..." - Addressed on forums by so and so as "What streamer said is not a comment that I made".
None of that has any bearing on the comment Chris Roberts made.
I'm honestly amazed that we need to go over this so many times, I know it doesn't help with your continued claim that nothing will be sold post launch but there is information from the head man that contradicts that claim. Until there is a definitive statement printed on their website (not a random comment in the forums) then things remain uncertain.
The "Head man" made a small mistake and named the starting fighter ship "Hornet" instead of "Mustang" in a taped bar conversation.
[mod edit]
CIG has officially stated many months later that only starter ships will be sold post launch, because this is a recurring question. As of today that is still the official position of CIG. This position has not changed since 2012.
You may not want to believe this. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. ;-)
I personally don't see what the fuss is about. You can buy ships now. Selling ships post launch would only be good. Stopping ship sales won't suddenly make the game have a level playing field. It would only stop a significant amount of their income.
As it stands now, several people have purchased $2500+ worth of ships. To think these people won't have an advantage is crazy. Of course you will be more powerful with a $500 ship than a $40 starter. If it were not true and spending $2500 was a non factor, the big spenders would be seriously pissed off.
I also think this advantage will last a long time. It's not like everyone will get the $2500 worth of ships in a month and the big spenders will go like "Oh well, at least I supported the game development."
Any crowd funded game that sells ingame items will face this issue. It is especially true for SC, where the 95% of the crowd funding is solely based on ingame items (ships). I think as a low spender, you just have to suck it up. You will be at a significant disadvantage. If it means the game gets 100 million in funding over 15 million, the low spender may benefit from this "pay to win" in the grand scheme of things.
To answer the OP, it is perfectly fine to wait with the purchase. Or if you want to follow the development, it is fine to purchase the most basic package. As it stands now, no one is certain about what the "value" of your pledge will be.
I think it looks like a great game but community and certain design decisions can make it worse or better.
Keep in mind that what you see on MMORPG.com is the same 20 people talking about Star Citizen over and over again.
The official Star Citizen community is huge. It does have some less favourable parts, but overall it's been quite nice. Contrary to popular belief, large majority of players are simply looking forward to the game. They are not die hard fanatics, nor are they completely against the development.
As with any MMO, majority of the players only read news every now and then, never posting on the forums. With the initial buy-in price, you also won't have the downsides of a Free-to-Play community.
I've met one guy who was buying out the cheap limited 20$ starter packages, so that he could give them to actual new players (as opposed to veterans getting a good deal). My sister and two of my good friends got those starters from him. The community is full of people who are happy to help out.
I've also posted a couple threads on the SC forums and got fairly neutral, unbiased discussion on the topics.
What I would suggest is wait until Christmas, see if they delivered what they just showed at Gamescom. If so, it might be worth getting the starter package.
Now the make/break part will be the cost of ships in-game....
Sell em to high and the bulk of the customer base will walk... Sell em to cheap and the backers.. or at least... you know... "those" backers will go apeshit and engage DDoS mode and other shenanigans...
But how the fuck does one hit the right level.... Impossible.
CR didn't say for how long only starter ships would be sold after launch. I'm betting in order to sell ships now that's the right thing to say as people will want to wait til after the concept ships have been actually made flight ready and have been balanced that people will know if the ship is right for them or not. Who wants to buy a ship still going through design updates and balance issues? Plus there will always be major balance issues in an open verse PvP game as players find op builds.
Not to mention being able to buy ships in the gray market after launch.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
It was an official CIG communication. As an answer to the recurring question if ships other than starter ships will be sold post launch. Status today that is still the official CIG position. This CIG communication (to be found many times here in this subforum) was many months later than the BarCitizen event.
Have fun
No it was not. It was a statement addressing an inaccurate comment made by a popular streamer. - Streamer says "So and so at CIG said this..." - Addressed on forums by so and so as "What streamer said is not a comment that I made".
None of that has any bearing on the comment Chris Roberts made.
I'm honestly amazed that we need to go over this so many times, I know it doesn't help with your continued claim that nothing will be sold post launch but there is information from the head man that contradicts that claim. Until there is a definitive statement printed on their website (not a random comment in the forums) then things remain uncertain.
The "Head man" made a small mistake and named the starting fighter ship "Hornet" instead of "Mustang" in a taped bar conversation.
Some retards constructed out of this: "OMG Sky is falling CIG is selling ALL ships post launch".
CIG has officially stated many months later that only starter ships will be sold post launch, because this is a recurring question. As of today that is still the official position of CIG. This position has not changed since 2012.
You may not want to believe this. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. ;-)
Have fun
The beer and a small mistake is what you always fall back on despite there being no proof that is was a mistake.
The implication that I am a retard because I am repeating what the man said is not welcome. I have not seen anybody say that ALL ships will be for sale. Personally I have only said that he talked about a non-starter ship as being part of a game package. Does that open up an avenue for other ships? Sure but he specifically mentioned the Hornet and that is the only example I ever use.
As I said in the post you responded to, that clarification was for a completely unrelated matter, it had no bearing whatsoever on the comment that Chris Roberts made.
I appreciate that you might not want to believe this because it messes around with how you want to portray the game but denying what is clear as day is not the wisest of decisions.
If everyone is allowed their opinion why are you always arguing with me so strongly over this?
I don't have much interest or insight into this one, but let me get this straight. CR once said at a bar that you could buy a hornet, it is the only time it has ever been mentioned. Through more official communication it has been stated a few times that only starter ships will be available to buy? Yet rather than coming to the obvious conclusion that this was a slip of the tongue, @rpmcmurphy wants to cling on to it as official information until CIG come out to officially denounce it, all because you want to use it as your base argument to try and wind up Erillion?
That's a little lame don't ya think? Maybe i am not clear on the details though, I lazily skipped the posts as it seems pretty much all trivial nonsense.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
I personally don't see what the fuss is about. You can buy ships now. Selling ships post launch would only be good. Stopping ship sales won't suddenly make the game have a level playing field. It would only stop a significant amount of their income.
As it stands now, several people have purchased $2500+ worth of ships. To think these people won't have an advantage is crazy. Of course you will be more powerful with a $500 ship than a $40 starter. If it were not true and spending $2500 was a non factor, the big spenders would be seriously pissed off.
I also think this advantage will last a long time. It's not like everyone will get the $2500 worth of ships in a month and the big spenders will go like "Oh well, at least I supported the game development."
Any crowd funded game that sells ingame items will face this issue. It is especially true for SC, where the 95% of the crowd funding is solely based on ingame items (ships). I think as a low spender, you just have to suck it up. You will be at a significant disadvantage. If it means the game gets 100 million in funding over 15 million, the low spender may benefit from this "pay to win" in the grand scheme of things.
To answer the OP, it is perfectly fine to wait with the purchase. Or if you want to follow the development, it is fine to purchase the most basic package. As it stands now, no one is certain about what the "value" of your pledge will be.
Listen, Mr. Kansas Logic Dog. Logic don't go round here. Savvy?
I don't have much interest or insight into this one, but let me get this straight. CR once said at a bar that you could buy a hornet, it is the only time it has ever been mentioned. Through more official communication it has been stated a few times that only starter ships will be available to buy? Yet rather than coming to the obvious conclusion that this was a slip of the tongue, @rpmcmurphy wants to cling on to it as official information until CIG come out to officially denounce it, all because you want to use it as your base argument to try and wind up Erillion?
That's a little lame don't ya think? Maybe i am not clear on the details though, I lazily skipped the posts as it seems pretty much all trivial nonsense.
Because as we all know, alcohol actually makes you less prone to talk and let the truth slip out.
I don't have much interest or insight into this one, but let me get this straight. CR once said at a bar that you could buy a hornet, it is the only time it has ever been mentioned. Through more official communication it has been stated a few times that only starter ships will be available to buy? Yet rather than coming to the obvious conclusion that this was a slip of the tongue, @rpmcmurphy wants to cling on to it as official information until CIG come out to officially denounce it, all because you want to use it as your base argument to try and wind up Erillion?
That's a little lame don't ya think? Maybe i am not clear on the details though, I lazily skipped the posts as it seems pretty much all trivial nonsense.
You don't think that the boss man would know what the plans are for his game? Remember this is a guy that is well known for micromanaging.. It is the only comment directly regarding the matter since the earlier 'no ship sales post launch' made back in 2012 or whenever.
The so-called official communication you want to allude to is not official communication at all. I addressed this in one of my previous posts but just for you I'll address it again, here's the timeline
Streamer says "Lesnick said that ships will be sold post release" Lesnick writes on the forums "I did not say that. CIG have not put out an official comment about our plans." Chris Roberts makes his comment, nobody from CIG corrects him in an official or unofficial capacity.
You know what's really lame? Commenting and judging on things you can't even be bothered to educate yourself about.
You know what's really lame? Commenting and judging on things you can't even be bothered to educate yourself about.
Meh, I reckon it depends on the subject matter. I have always felt SC was P2W to a small degree, you are just left with trying to weigh up how much it will impact your experience and for me it will be..OK... but it's not quite cricket. Would prefer if things were different. Then all this beings me back to your comment, either way it seems pretty irrelevant in the large scheme of things, the damage is all ready done.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
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Starter ships tend to be small, one man affairs. With equipment which is functional, but not top of the line.
Aurora is a multi-role starter ship (transport, exploration, fighting if you are a masochist)
Mustang is a fighter / Racing ship at the starter level.
Have fun
The PU is still probably a year away at best, so final decisions around monetization are probably not going to be made at this point.
There's a vast difference between "we are thinking about doing it this way" and what is actually done when the time comes...
I don't think it's a sensible solution. Imposing a limit on a micro-transaction payment model seems strange. The whole idea of the model is that someone can spend a lot, so others don't have to.
Especially in this game, which is known for people who spend huge amounts of money. When I spoke to others on the CIG forums, most think that the current pricing of ships is at a "discount", compared to what could be charged for them in the future. This was said by Chris Roberts in the past.
It's a difficult predicament. Similar to Shroud of the Avatar, where people spent $150+ for buildings. Now buildings in SOTA are extremely difficult to obtain for most. What will happen in SC is you'll have people who spent 200$ for a medium range ship.
Guess we will have to see what happens.
Do you know how to plan to monetise after release? Is the current knowledge that they will be selling starter packages + in-game currency with a strict cap?
Follow on episodes of SQ 42, some non-fight related.
Selling starter ships.
Ship skins
Temporary tune up kits
basic ship modules
Deco items for the hangar
Possible continuation of subscription (continuation of Jump Point Magazine and special decoration items)
Tickets for in house shows
1 $ = 1000 UEC conversion ( IMHO useless after maybe 7 days after launch)
SC/SQ42 Merchandise
That is what has been mentioned.
My speculation:
If they use a reputation system, there might be "temporary rep boosters" to reduce grind
SC/SQ42 The Movie
SC/SQ42 The Animated series
SC/SQ42 Action Figures
SC/SQ42 Ship models
SC/SQ42 novels
SC/SQ42 grafic novels
Going full Star Warsy Lukas style ...
Have fun
This has been disproven many, many times.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3wuopo/chris_roberts_says_ships_will_be_sold_post/
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That "proof" of yours was in relation to a completely separate discussion between two different people about a comment made by BadNewsBaron, not the comment made by Chris Roberts.
I mean come on, why would an underling make an official statement on behalf of Chris Roberts, especially a statement saying that their boss was wrong.
Have fun
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
No it was not. It was a statement addressing an inaccurate comment made by a popular streamer.
- Streamer says "So and so at CIG said this..."
- Addressed on forums by so and so as "What streamer said is not a comment that I made".
None of that has any bearing on the comment Chris Roberts made.
I'm honestly amazed that we need to go over this so many times, I know it doesn't help with your continued claim that nothing will be sold post launch but there is information from the head man that contradicts that claim.
Until there is a definitive statement printed on their website (not a random comment in the forums) then things remain uncertain.
[mod edit]
CIG has officially stated many months later that only starter ships will be sold post launch, because this is a recurring question. As of today that is still the official position of CIG. This position has not changed since 2012.
You may not want to believe this. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. ;-)
Have fun
As it stands now, several people have purchased $2500+ worth of ships. To think these people won't have an advantage is crazy. Of course you will be more powerful with a $500 ship than a $40 starter. If it were not true and spending $2500 was a non factor, the big spenders would be seriously pissed off.
I also think this advantage will last a long time. It's not like everyone will get the $2500 worth of ships in a month and the big spenders will go like "Oh well, at least I supported the game development."
Any crowd funded game that sells ingame items will face this issue. It is especially true for SC, where the 95% of the crowd funding is solely based on ingame items (ships). I think as a low spender, you just have to suck it up. You will be at a significant disadvantage. If it means the game gets 100 million in funding over 15 million, the low spender may benefit from this "pay to win" in the grand scheme of things.
To answer the OP, it is perfectly fine to wait with the purchase. Or if you want to follow the development, it is fine to purchase the most basic package.
As it stands now, no one is certain about what the "value" of your pledge will be.
Problably i will wait two or three months after the release to see how it is working.
I think it looks like a great game but community and certain design decisions can make it worse or better.
The official Star Citizen community is huge. It does have some less favourable parts, but overall it's been quite nice. Contrary to popular belief, large majority of players are simply looking forward to the game. They are not die hard fanatics, nor are they completely against the development.
As with any MMO, majority of the players only read news every now and then, never posting on the forums. With the initial buy-in price, you also won't have the downsides of a Free-to-Play community.
I've met one guy who was buying out the cheap limited 20$ starter packages, so that he could give them to actual new players (as opposed to veterans getting a good deal). My sister and two of my good friends got those starters from him. The community is full of people who are happy to help out.
I've also posted a couple threads on the SC forums and got fairly neutral, unbiased discussion on the topics.
What I would suggest is wait until Christmas, see if they delivered what they just showed at Gamescom. If so, it might be worth getting the starter package.
Sell em to high and the bulk of the customer base will walk... Sell em to cheap and the backers.. or at least... you know... "those" backers will go apeshit and engage DDoS mode and other shenanigans...
But how the fuck does one hit the right level.... Impossible.
This have been a good conversation
Not to mention being able to buy ships in the gray market after launch.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
The beer and a small mistake is what you always fall back on despite there being no proof that is was a mistake.
The implication that I am a retard because I am repeating what the man said is not welcome. I have not seen anybody say that ALL ships will be for sale. Personally I have only said that he talked about a non-starter ship as being part of a game package. Does that open up an avenue for other ships? Sure but he specifically mentioned the Hornet and that is the only example I ever use.
As I said in the post you responded to, that clarification was for a completely unrelated matter, it had no bearing whatsoever on the comment that Chris Roberts made.
I appreciate that you might not want to believe this because it messes around with how you want to portray the game but denying what is clear as day is not the wisest of decisions.
If everyone is allowed their opinion why are you always arguing with me so strongly over this?
That's a little lame don't ya think? Maybe i am not clear on the details though, I lazily skipped the posts as it seems pretty much all trivial nonsense.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
Because as we all know, alcohol actually makes you less prone to talk and let the truth slip out.
You don't think that the boss man would know what the plans are for his game? Remember this is a guy that is well known for micromanaging..
It is the only comment directly regarding the matter since the earlier 'no ship sales post launch' made back in 2012 or whenever.
The so-called official communication you want to allude to is not official communication at all. I addressed this in one of my previous posts but just for you I'll address it again, here's the timeline
Streamer says "Lesnick said that ships will be sold post release"
Lesnick writes on the forums "I did not say that. CIG have not put out an official comment about our plans."
Chris Roberts makes his comment, nobody from CIG corrects him in an official or unofficial capacity.
You know what's really lame? Commenting and judging on things you can't even be bothered to educate yourself about.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root