And with the fans SC doesn't really need the "haters" you guys cant even get your stories straight. One person is saying the code was a mess and youre trying to tell me they just decided to work on something else because reasons!
Seriously!
You know the fans of SC does not need to combine stories. People have their own views and opinions, and they are free to share them. Independent of being a fan or not.
That comment is just sad... just sad. I don't know if you guys as to put it as you just said, "haters" do meetings to combine your stories and narratives, i know i don't.
Why is it views and opinions when the fans bring it up but when someone is criticizing it it is just a sad sad person or vitriol?
So they hyped SC to astronomical levels and promised it was just around the corner for the longest time and then at the last minute they decided "oh lets focus on the PU and not whats being hyped". Sounds like something logical to do.
And with the fans SC doesn't really need the "haters" you guys cant even get your stories straight. One person is saying the code was a mess and youre trying to tell me they just decided to work on something else because reasons!
There was no astronomical levels of hype for Star Marine lol. There was a lot of hype for the 64 bit mini PU though.
And for the last time my 'story' was SPECULATION just like YOUR PoV [mod edit]
I don't need to speculate when you can just go back and see all the hype they did for SM? At least we can agree your story was speculation.
I called sad to the comment and i shall call it again, the comment towards the SC fans unable to get their stories straight... when quoting someone who shared his own opinion of the discussion at hand. And then twisting it to make it about something else.
Meh it's just yet another thread that filmoret derailed to talk about Star Marine.
No, I was talking about how this game will be p2w and the reasons I believed such a thing. Chris's ability to lie right to your face and make you believe it even when it obviously isn't true is astounding.
First, the code they got from the sub-contractor was a mess to merge into their own (I'm pretty sure the first release date estimate was before they realized this), to the point they ended up scrapping it and restarting internally.
Thank you sir for that link. Now let me analyze it. July 2015 Chris says that Star Marine will launch within 3-5 weeks. This article is written August 31, 2015. So we are looking at around the time Star Marine should have launched when the article was written. Now lets look at some quotes.
"The module was delayed and is now slated to arrive some time in the next few weeks." -So when this article was written they were still saying that SM would arrive within the next few weeks. Totally nullifying the reason you used the article link in your post.
I called sad to the comment and i shall call it again, the comment towards the SC fans unable to get their stories straight... when quoting someone who shared his own opinion of the discussion at hand. And then twisting it to make it about something else.
I fail to see how my comment was ad hominem but the irony in your post is rather hilarious
No, I was talking about how this game will be p2w and the reasons I believed such a thing. Chris's ability to lie right to your face and make you believe it even when it obviously isn't true is astounding.
Your statement stands on your claim that delays past the release estimates are something you claim were lies, witch others don't. And with that you can speculate anything and claim anything and you want and just justify it with "CR lies", fun.
I fail to see how my comment was ad hominem but the irony in your post is rather hilarious
I just found the behavior interesting that's all, how that comment was un-called and un-necessary and was still made it just for the baits of it and then after quoted on it spins to villanize others with a bit of twisting on quoted words as well. Yeah...
I for one am looking forward to NOT starting with a higher level ship. In fact, I have never purchased a ship as the one I have was given to me as a birthday a couple of years back. I am looking forward to EARNING whatever ship I can get. Games are more fun when you can earn something rather then buy them outright for real money....hence why I am against cash shops in games but I digress.
Also, at this point, everything is speculation. Therefore it is not really worth the sweat getting to involved in this discussion right now. Maybe once the game is closer to launch...not now.
First, the code they got from the sub-contractor was a mess to merge into their own (I'm pretty sure the first release date estimate was before they realized this), to the point they ended up scrapping it and restarting internally.
"It wouldn't be very fair to say one thing or another," says Roberts.
"I think they did a good job. I think they had experience with
CryEngine, which was a plus. But I do think that we are better served
having less disparate groups work on the code base...."
"....."You work on things, you see how it works out, you see that it's not good enough so you have to change it a bit," he says.
Denver-based studio Illfonic was hired to work on first-person-shooter element Star Citizen, mainly based on its experience working with CryEngine. But Illfonic is a small company with little experience making big budget games.
Cloud Imperium is now in the process of transitioning final
development of the two FPS levels to its newest internal studio in
Germany. "In the very early days we didn't have a big staff," says
Roberts. "It takes time to staff up and hire. Our plan was always to
transition into internal staff. We've now got people that have the
knowledge and the experience with the engine that they can help finish
and close things out in a way that would be more difficult with people
who don't have the same familiarity."...."
OK, so no actual source that says:
" the code they got from the sub-contractor was a mess to merge into their own"
Thanks for clearing that up.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I fail to see how my comment was ad hominem but the irony in your post is rather hilarious
I just found the behavior interesting that's all, how that comment was un-called and un-necessary and was still made it just for the baits of it and then after quoted on it spins to villanize others with a bit of twisting on quoted words as well. Yeah...
Your opinion that it was just made to bait people but I honestly want to know. Try and deflect all you want but there are people on this board who will see things as opinions and views unless one of us critics are saying it then it's just us spreading false info, vitriol, what have you.
im not even sure though if you realize your comment was made to bait since you seem to think in one little sentence I am villanizing and twisting words somehow when it was my own opinion.
1- free replacement ships forever 2- you still need to buy insurance but it will last as long as the ship, whereby when you get a replacement you need to buy insurance on it again (or lose it)
I don't need to speculate when you can just go back and see all the hype they did for SM? At least we can agree your story was speculation.
Hype yes, "astronomical levels of hype" no. But let us be clear, the hype was more focused on the fps mechanics at the time, these were delivered in the mini PU. As I have said, most people were pretty fine with that. I didn't see many people who were genuinely outraged by it or something, I only saw the point being picked up by folks who wanted to use the issue to be divisive and negative towards SC.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
And do you have any proof that Illfonic's code was a mess or is it just the usual 'CIG can do no wrong' viewpoint?
If the code was a mess then it's on CIG as much as it's on Illfonic, it was Roberts who decided to farm out Star Marine while having an engine undergoing a huge amount of changes, what did he expect exactly, plug and play?
All I know is that they hyped the hell out of it and took a load of money on the back of that hype, they said it would be available and it wasn't. It was handled very poorly.
Nobody has proof of the opposite accusation either! This is all speculation as the background of the situation was not given.
For me, for some reason they are replacing ALL the code Illfonic did that reached the game, EVA, Armors, Assets up to even the Map where Star Marine was played (Gold Horizon!) was refactored (as claimed during GC).
Where am I stating my opinion as fact?
I am running through the possibilities of the situation and simply highlighting that if there's blame to dish out then it's on more than one head.
It's strange that you call out "Nobody has proof..." and then go and make a definitive statement like "for some reason they are replacing ALL the code Illfonic did that reached the game" when you cannot be 100% certain that they actually replacing all of the code.
It was argued on these forums for the longest time that the code and assets from Illfonic's Star Marine were not wasted because they were going to be used in the main game, but you're saying otherwise.
That's the thing, to me it's just an observation. I never judged it as right or wrong good or bad.
OFC! Why not say that 'hey did you notice that guns made by Behring have the word Behring written on the side!' also another really cool observation!
After all that would be just the same as saying -
"It is interesting that of all their features the cash shop works the most flawlessly. Which means they put the most time and energy into it, then I see games like CoE who do updates about new creatures being made and hasn't stopped everything to get their cash shop up and running."
yep, no message in that 'observation!'.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
First, the code they got from the sub-contractor was a mess to merge into their own (I'm pretty sure the first release date estimate was before they realized this), to the point they ended up scrapping it and restarting internally.
Do you have a source for this information?
Read this Letter from the Chairman from June 26th 2015 (Star Marine was 2 months late by that point). It highlight some of the issues they got with Star Marine and what they were going to have to rewrite to make it work. IllFonic's contract was terminated in August 2015 (or at least August is when they terminated people after the contract was terminated).
The majority of that focuses on problems at CIG's end, ie Networking, instancing and matchmaking. But something I did find funny was 'the biggest issue is the networking backend' (June 2015) - this is still the biggest issue with the game, 13 months later.
That's the thing, to me it's just an observation. I never judged it as right or wrong good or bad.
OFC! Why not say that 'hey did you notice that guns made by Behring have the word Behring written on the side!' also another really cool observation!
After all that would be just the same as saying -
"It is interesting that of all their features the cash shop works the most flawlessly. Which means they put the most time and energy into it, then I see games like CoE who do updates about new creatures being made and hasn't stopped everything to get their cash shop up and running."
yep, no message in that 'observation!'.
I thought this thread was about ships not guns.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
LTI (or any insurance) only covers basic modules and weapons. No custom/advanced/expensive/unique modules or weapons you had installed.
Have fun
It's kinda hard to rate the value of LTI not knowing the prices of short term insurance. So weapons and modules will have to have their own insurance. Wonder how much.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
The majority of that focuses on problems at CIG's end, ie Networking, instancing and matchmaking. But something I did find funny was 'the biggest issue is the networking backend' (June 2015) - this is still the biggest issue with the game, 13 months later.
True and depressing. I think these things can only be done by a few people at most though right?
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
I don't need to speculate when you can just go back and see all the hype they did for SM? At least we can agree your story was speculation.
Hype yes, "astronomical levels of hype" no. But let us be clear, the hype was more focused on the fps mechanics at the time, these were delivered in the mini PU. As I have said, most people were pretty fine with that. I didn't see many people who were genuinely outraged by it or something, I only saw the point being picked up by folks who wanted to use the issue to be divisive and negative towards SC.
Well it's a bad example for you then. If you wanted to use 'very poor management' I could understand the angle and the accusation, even if I would ultimately disagree with trying to brandish him with the label without being privy to all of the facts surrounding the issue.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
Well it's a bad example for you then. If you wanted to use 'very poor management' I could understand the angle and the accusation, even if I would ultimately disagree with trying to brandish him with the label without being privy to all of the facts surrounding the issue.
There are plenty of other instances where he's been called out. If they would give us the facts surrounding the issue(s) then maybe there wouldn't be so much skepticism and nit picking but I suppose that's an issue with the most open development ever.
It's kinda hard to rate the value of LTI not knowing the prices of short term insurance. So weapons and modules will have to have their own insurance. Wonder how much.
To my knowledge modules and equipment cannot be insured.
Have that super rare advanced military weapons you got from the navy for many successful deniable-assets missions ? Good for you! Do not let them be destroyed together with your ship. Do not charge into combat like a headless chicken on dope.
CIG has stated often that insurance will be cheap. And one can set it to auto-renew if one wants. So LTI is nice, but no game-breaking advantage.
im not even sure though if you realize your comment was made to bait since you seem to think in one little sentence I am villanizing and twisting words somehow when it was my own opinion.
Play it as you want but what i saw here was the comment you made, i quoted you on it as the part of fans supposedly having to share the same story and narrative (on discussions based on speculation), witch i claimed of a sad comment.
The villanizing and twisting part comes on your next post when take the "sad comment" part and spinned it as the critics who are the sad persons by doing it. Because this "opinion" of yours has one snarky side.
It was argued on these forums for the longest time that the code and assets from Illfonic's Star Marine were not wasted because they were going to be used in the main game, but you're saying otherwise.
I didn't say you were? I claimed that the discussion at hand is based on speculation because it is, it's not factual because the background has not been disclosed, it's simple.
As for the rest, i said based on what i see on the development reports, while i don't believe all the code it's clearly several things they developed that were indeed added to the game were and are being replaced. I found it odd Gold Horizon being refactored because that map was added to the game files (and you could even load it) last year.
I didn't say you were? I claimed that the discussion at hand is based on speculation because it is, it's not factual because the background has not been disclosed, it's simple.
In that case I'm not sure why you were quoting me. I was saying that it was speculative to claim Illfonic's code was a mess and that it was the sole reason for Star Marine not being delivered and you singled that out to tell me that the opposite argument is also speculative....
I can't take any credit for anyone making this opposite argument, that's totally on them.
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I don't need to speculate when you can just go back and see all the hype they did for SM? At least we can agree your story was speculation.
I called sad to the comment and i shall call it again, the comment towards the SC fans unable to get their stories straight... when quoting someone who shared his own opinion of the discussion at hand. And then twisting it to make it about something else.
Thank you sir for that link. Now let me analyze it. July 2015 Chris says that Star Marine will launch within 3-5 weeks. This article is written August 31, 2015. So we are looking at around the time Star Marine should have launched when the article was written. Now lets look at some quotes.
"The module was delayed and is now slated to arrive some time in the next few weeks."
-So when this article was written they were still saying that SM would arrive within the next few weeks. Totally nullifying the reason you used the article link in your post.
I just found the behavior interesting that's all, how that comment was un-called and un-necessary and was still made it just for the baits of it and then after quoted on it spins to villanize others with a bit of twisting on quoted words as well. Yeah...
Also, at this point, everything is speculation. Therefore it is not really worth the sweat getting to involved in this discussion right now. Maybe once the game is closer to launch...not now.
Let's party like it is 1863!
" the code they got from the sub-contractor was a mess to merge into their own"
Thanks for clearing that up.
im not even sure though if you realize your comment was made to bait since you seem to think in one little sentence I am villanizing and twisting words somehow when it was my own opinion.
1- free replacement ships forever
2- you still need to buy insurance but it will last as long as the ship, whereby when you get a replacement you need to buy insurance on it again (or lose it)
as far as i know i dont think this has changed also not sure if insurance covers custom modular's or weapons
See you space cowboys
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
Have fun
Where am I stating my opinion as fact?
I am running through the possibilities of the situation and simply highlighting that if there's blame to dish out then it's on more than one head.
It's strange that you call out "Nobody has proof..." and then go and make a definitive statement like "for some reason they are replacing ALL the code Illfonic did that reached the game" when you cannot be 100% certain that they actually replacing all of the code.
It was argued on these forums for the longest time that the code and assets from Illfonic's Star Marine were not wasted because they were going to be used in the main game, but you're saying otherwise.
After all that would be just the same as saying -
"It is interesting that of all their features the cash shop works the most flawlessly. Which means they put the most time and energy into it, then I see games like CoE who do updates about new creatures being made and hasn't stopped everything to get their cash shop up and running."
yep, no message in that 'observation!'.
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
The majority of that focuses on problems at CIG's end, ie Networking, instancing and matchmaking. But something I did find funny was 'the biggest issue is the networking backend' (June 2015) - this is still the biggest issue with the game, 13 months later.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
"Trump is a blunt force, all-American, laser-guided middle finger to everything and everyone in Washington, D.C." - Wayne Allyn Root
Have that super rare advanced military weapons you got from the navy for many successful deniable-assets missions ? Good for you! Do not let them be destroyed together with your ship.
Do not charge into combat like a headless chicken on dope.
CIG has stated often that insurance will be cheap. And one can set it to auto-renew if one wants. So LTI is nice, but no game-breaking advantage.
Have fun
The villanizing and twisting part comes on your next post when take the "sad comment" part and spinned it as the critics who are the sad persons by doing it. Because this "opinion" of yours has one snarky side.
I didn't say you were? I claimed that the discussion at hand is based on speculation because it is, it's not factual because the background has not been disclosed, it's simple.
As for the rest, i said based on what i see on the development reports, while i don't believe all the code it's clearly several things they developed that were indeed added to the game were and are being replaced. I found it odd Gold Horizon being refactored because that map was added to the game files (and you could even load it) last year.
In that case I'm not sure why you were quoting me.
I was saying that it was speculative to claim Illfonic's code was a mess and that it was the sole reason for Star Marine not being delivered and you singled that out to tell me that the opposite argument is also speculative....
I can't take any credit for anyone making this opposite argument, that's totally on them.
It makes no sense at all.