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Is Hello Games guilty of Illegal False Marketing?

FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,057
edited August 2016 in No Man's Sky

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Oh yay!! Another video game lawsuit thread. These seem to be getting super common in North America. Oh well! Time to move all our development to Korea!!!! I can't wait for the first Elder Scrolls game developed out of Bethesda Korea. Should be so animeish.

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    CrazKanuk said:
    Oh yay!! Another video game lawsuit thread. These seem to be getting super common in North America. Oh well! Time to move all our development to Korea!!!! I can't wait for the first Elder Scrolls game developed out of Bethesda Korea. Should be so animeish.
    Could be worse.  I remember when

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    for about a year I kept telling people 'these NMS videos and interviews are not telling us what the game features are'

    I think this whole 'they lied' is getting out of hand because on inspection they basically didnt comit to anything that ever made sense as a solid feature in the first place

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    MisterZebub said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    for about a year I kept telling people 'these NMS videos and interviews are not telling us what the game features are'

    I think this whole 'they lied' is getting out of hand because on inspection they basically didnt comit to anything that ever made sense as a solid feature in the first place
    I wholeheartedly agree but good luck getting people to take any personal responsibility for their own impulses. What I saw of the game looked like another Spore, big ideas, small game, so I chose to avoid it. Which looks like the smart choice.
    exact.

    In addition to that I have a tinfoil hat theory that some people where paid to post to get all the fantasies rolling. Only reason I think that is because I havent seen this phenomena happen before but maybe I am out of the loop

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    MisterZebub said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    for about a year I kept telling people 'these NMS videos and interviews are not telling us what the game features are'

    I think this whole 'they lied' is getting out of hand because on inspection they basically didnt comit to anything that ever made sense as a solid feature in the first place
    I wholeheartedly agree but good luck getting people to take any personal responsibility for their own impulses. What I saw of the game looked like another Spore, big ideas, small game, so I chose to avoid it. Which looks like the smart choice.

    That's EXACTLY what I've been saying. I was stoked for Spore, but as great as Spore was, it was never as big as they made it out to be. Still a super fun game, though. It was inevitable that people would be let down by NMS. 

    Funny, though, my son bought it and thinks it's great. Granted, he didn't follow the hype train from station to station, so he probably had lowered expectations. 

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  • Kane72Kane72 Member UncommonPosts: 211
    edited August 2016
    Many people have already played beyond 40+ hours so their cost of entertainment so far has been $1/£1 per hour more or less. Not easy to beat that in this day and age, but people will still moan and then pay the same to go to the movies and get 2 hours of questionable entertainment.
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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    MisterZebub said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    for about a year I kept telling people 'these NMS videos and interviews are not telling us what the game features are'

    I think this whole 'they lied' is getting out of hand because on inspection they basically didnt comit to anything that ever made sense as a solid feature in the first place
    I wholeheartedly agree but good luck getting people to take any personal responsibility for their own impulses. What I saw of the game looked like another Spore, big ideas, small game, so I chose to avoid it. Which looks like the smart choice.
    Sure, people need to take responsibility for their own hype-mongering, but there's another side to that as well.

    Many of those wild fantasies were based on glimpses of things seen in demo's or heard in interviews.

    Any developer that puts out tantalizing tidbits is playing with fire. You can stoke the flames, but you also have to rein-in the fans when things get too wild. And not in some ambivalent way that leaves the door open to a wide range of interpretations.

    For instance, most of the buildings on planet surfaces that were shown in demo's have not been seen in the actual game at all. So, while attaching "special meaning" to those structures would have been a flight of fantasy, not having the structures in game at all is a bit of a glaring omission...
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    All these doom and gloom threads are having the opposite effect on me than what the author seems to want.  Not enough to put $60 on the table though.
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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    MisterZebub said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    for about a year I kept telling people 'these NMS videos and interviews are not telling us what the game features are'

    I think this whole 'they lied' is getting out of hand because on inspection they basically didnt comit to anything that ever made sense as a solid feature in the first place
    I wholeheartedly agree but good luck getting people to take any personal responsibility for their own impulses. What I saw of the game looked like another Spore, big ideas, small game, so I chose to avoid it. Which looks like the smart choice.

    Love it!  Imagine what would happen if gamers took any personal responsibility?  *begins dream sequence*...
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    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Grunty said:
    All these doom and gloom threads are having the opposite effect on me than what the author seems to want.  Not enough to put $60 on the table though.
    *uses the force and waves hand*  You will not buy this game.
    http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/QBlog190810A.html  

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    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

    LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"




  • renstarensta Member RarePosts: 728
    blueturtle13 said:
    Some of the features that some people say are not in the game I have seen in the game or have seen player screens of those features.
    I agree this has gotten way out of hand. Just because you did not see it does not mean it is not in the game.
    There were things not featured in the game that we all thought or were told were going to be in it. I think Sony pressured the studio to push it out the door as is and those things will be patched in later. As it is I have over 60 hours in game and love it. I am exploring a forest planet now. (a feature some said was not in game)
    The planet is teaming with life and I have landed at two outposts with moving machinery (another feature some people said was not in game)
    I love it. I plan on exploring as much of the planet as I can. I found an alien ruin that featured a puzzle that gave me 4 alien words and a point of interest which gave me a massive upgrade to my ship's weapon. On my way to the planet I was attacked by 4 pirates and as I was fighting them off two ships from the space station came out and started blasting them! It was awesome!
    Hmmmmmm interesting,,,, totally different from what most people say.  

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    Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Selling torches and pitchforks...PM me.
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    waynejr2 said:
    Grunty said:
    All these doom and gloom threads are having the opposite effect on me than what the author seems to want.  Not enough to put $60 on the table though.
    *uses the force and waves hand*  You will not buy this game.
    When I get my stubborn up I've done things worse for myself than buying a game.  Don't make me get my stubborn out!
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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Grunty said:
    waynejr2 said:
    Grunty said:
    All these doom and gloom threads are having the opposite effect on me than what the author seems to want.  Not enough to put $60 on the table though.
    *uses the force and waves hand*  You will not buy this game.
    When I get my stubborn up I've done things worse for myself than buying a game.  Don't make me get my stubborn out!

    You will get your stubborn out and not buy the game.
    http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/QBlog190810A.html  

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    https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1

    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

    LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"




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  • GenieWinsletGenieWinslet Member UncommonPosts: 8
    Ive been playing NMS for around 20 hours total and I still haven't even left the first planet and I have seen animals roaming around, some of which even attacked me. Numerous little bases and campsites, several aliens, one of which replaced my tool with an upgrade for free and 2 others that i could get a new ship from. Also a monolith with options and a ruin that I am heading for.

    Bottom-line is I am enjoying the game, very stress free for the most part, i just run around exploring, harvesting, trading, finding new locations and completing milestones. I really think the gamer community needs to collectively pull their heads out and quit whining over stupid stuff. The game is massive in scale, and just because you haven't see something, doesn't mean it is not actually there.
  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    The gaming industry as a whole really needs a big lawsuit to happen (I'm not saying over this) in order to straighten up.  Over the last decade game developers have gotten away with so much false advertising that at this point no one can believe what one says until the game comes out.  How many of us no longer pre-order games?  How many of us dont buy on launch day but wait for actual reviews to see what is actually in a game rather than listen to the hype trains?

    Again, I am not directing this at Hello games but it sure would be nice if software was held to the same standard as other products when it comes to listing features before and after the launch.
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  • psiicpsiic Member RarePosts: 1,642
    edited August 2016
    Ive been playing NMS for around 20 hours total and I still haven't even left the first planet and I have seen animals roaming around, some of which even attacked me. Numerous little bases and campsites, several aliens, one of which replaced my tool with an upgrade for free and 2 others that i could get a new ship from. Also a monolith with options and a ruin that I am heading for.

    Bottom-line is I am enjoying the game, very stress free for the most part, i just run around exploring, harvesting, trading, finding new locations and completing milestones. I really think the gamer community needs to collectively pull their heads out and quit whining over stupid stuff. The game is massive in scale, and just because you haven't see something, doesn't mean it is not actually there.
    read some of my posts on here I have been avidly defending NMS up to around 200 + hours in game and now I have come to realize they the whiners and complainers are right, the content is not in the game. This is not a matter of it just not working because of server loads are what not, this is intentionally not in game for whatever reason. Sean has flat out lied and needs to be held criminally and financially responsible. 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    psiic said:
    Ive been playing NMS for around 20 hours total and I still haven't even left the first planet and I have seen animals roaming around, some of which even attacked me. Numerous little bases and campsites, several aliens, one of which replaced my tool with an upgrade for free and 2 others that i could get a new ship from. Also a monolith with options and a ruin that I am heading for.

    Bottom-line is I am enjoying the game, very stress free for the most part, i just run around exploring, harvesting, trading, finding new locations and completing milestones. I really think the gamer community needs to collectively pull their heads out and quit whining over stupid stuff. The game is massive in scale, and just because you haven't see something, doesn't mean it is not actually there.
    read some of my posts on here I have been avidly defending NMS up to around 200 + hours in game and now I have come to realize they the whiners and complainers are right, the content is not in the game. This is not a matter of it just not working because of server loads are what not, this is intentionally not in game for whatever reason. Sean has flat out lied and needs to be held criminally and financially responsible. 
    specifically what features

    I ask because most of the interviews and videos I have seen its been extremely vague and noncommittal.

    so can we have a concrete example (other than multiplayer)

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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    I dunno he seemed pretty honest in this interview:


  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    Let's say 'Yes!'  Now what?  Nothing.  Grouse, complain, and the gnashing of teeth will begin.  That's all, period.  So, does that help if someone says 'yes?'  No, but maybe it will make some of us feel all tingly inside with righteous indignation.  Let's spend thousands of dollars on lawyers to get my 24.99 back (or whatever the game of your choice charges).

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  • Kane72Kane72 Member UncommonPosts: 211
    psiic said:
    Ive been playing NMS for around 20 hours total and I still haven't even left the first planet and I have seen animals roaming around, some of which even attacked me. Numerous little bases and campsites, several aliens, one of which replaced my tool with an upgrade for free and 2 others that i could get a new ship from. Also a monolith with options and a ruin that I am heading for.

    Bottom-line is I am enjoying the game, very stress free for the most part, i just run around exploring, harvesting, trading, finding new locations and completing milestones. I really think the gamer community needs to collectively pull their heads out and quit whining over stupid stuff. The game is massive in scale, and just because you haven't see something, doesn't mean it is not actually there.
    read some of my posts on here I have been avidly defending NMS up to around 200 + hours in game and now I have come to realize they the whiners and complainers are right, the content is not in the game. This is not a matter of it just not working because of server loads are what not, this is intentionally not in game for whatever reason. Sean has flat out lied and needs to be held criminally and financially responsible. 
    So you paid $60 for 200 hours of entertainment. So, having paid .30 per hour for your entertainment, tell me, where can you get better value?
  • winghaven1winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 745
    edited August 2016
    mgilbrtsn said:
    Let's say 'Yes!'  Now what?  Nothing.  Grouse, complain, and the gnashing of teeth will begin.  That's all, period.  So, does that help if someone says 'yes?'  No, but maybe it will make some of us feel all tingly inside with righteous indignation.  Let's spend thousands of dollars on lawyers to get my 24.99 back (or whatever the game of your choice charges).

    It's actually 60 euros they schemed out of consumer's pockets with confusing marketing strategies (maybe not on purpose) and they should be held accountable. I can't speak for you but I for one do not want to see this sort of false information and wrong implications thrown into a game's advertisement.

    Seriously it's not a bad game but it's a good game built upon a large numbers of  lies. Someone has to point out the big elephant in the room in every discussion. You're not doing anyone, including yourself, any service by trying not to notice it. In fact you're just harming yourself and maybe even the game industry if they try and pick up on Hello Game's money grabbing antics. 
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