I think some people equate tedious to hard and by that measure, yes WoW on a whole is "easier" than it was in vanilla. In reality tedious ! = hard. I can walk at a slow pace for 5 hours and burn 700 calories or I can try to bust my butt and burn 700 cals in 45 mins, which is actually harder?
In vanilla it wasn't so much that things were "harder", they were just more tedious.
To get the best PvP gear and titles in Vanilla you didn't need to good at PvP, you just needed to spend 12 hours a day in BGs.
The highest level PvE gear still came from raids but those raids needed 40 people and it took hours to farm for raid supplies (i.e. warlock shards, mage food, etc) and because the logistics of getting 40 people together at the same time was hard people raided less frequently for longer periods of time so the raids took longer to progress through.
Also, lets not forget about the horrible imbalances of vanilla... Warriors were the only viable tanks, paladins could only heal as the other specs were just awful, etc. So there were less people available to do the jobs needed.
Also, no flying, and flight paths took 30 mins in some cases. Flying from darnasses to gadgetson was never fun, ever!
P.S. - If epeen is your thing you can still stroke that bad boy by going for gladiator in PvP or raiding mythic raid content.
But yes long gone are the days of sitting for an hour or two spamming city chat for a tank or healer for deadmines or not being able to finish a specific quest at level 8 because you need a 5 man party to kill hogger.
If anyone of you played WoD and hated it you should be playing Legion. WoD was terrible and don't judge Legion on that half-baked never meant to be an expansion, it was "filler" for Legion that Blizzard couldn't get finished in time. They realized we couldn't wait 4 yrs without an expansion and gave us WoD, that is why it sucked. I really wish people would quit blaming WoW for Mists of Pandaria and even Cataclysm, every expansion has changes and Legion looks like it will finally fix things.
As far as reviews go, you can't review an mmorpg until you play enough hours or the review is meaningless. It wouldn't make sense to give Legion a score for 3 months IMHO. It takes a lot of time to do anything, leveling to 110, getting the artifact weapon, waiting on lfr to release or getting raids done with your guild, doing pvp bgs, crafting, etc. What is the point of a review if you don't even wait and experience the content?
Now, Pandaria got so much hate, was it the removal of the talent trees? The skills removed? Every single expansion removes abilities, that is just how blizzard operates. We all hate it, but Legion offers a lot of fun things as well.
Never loved a character class as much as the Demon Hunter. Everything about how this class moves and fights is amazing to me. I ran all the way through Azsura and Val'Sharah already and I can't wait till my shift is over today so I can dive back in. I also play a lot more I Illidan in HotS now as well 'cause Demon Hunters are just so badass.
WoD had a great leveling experience, and Legion definitely is sticking with its progression, with a bit more polish. Graphics feel so much better, the zones aesthetics are gorgeous, the best they have ever done. The atmosphere of the different zones just suck you in. In Val'sharah, you start with this beautiful grove, but the more you dive into the zone the more this red/black corruption color starts to seep in, turning the lush green into a vibrant red. Just breathtaking. The combat animations and sound have weight to them, it feels like your 'cutting' your enemies apart.
The story so far is brilliant, and I am really anxious to see how it builds. I am also interested to see how alt leveling through Legion will be with the emphasis on class orders and the flexible zone experience.
Dungeons are much more involved in the story, and I just love running the DH through them, so much engage/disengage available is just fun as hell. Please give this Xpac a chance, I have been blown away so far and I can't wait to keep going.
I think some people equate tedious to hard and by that measure, yes WoW on a whole is "easier" than it was in vanilla. In reality tedious ! = hard. I can walk at a slow pace for 5 hours and burn 700 calories or I can try to bust my butt and burn 700 cals in 45 mins, which is actually harder?
In vanilla it wasn't so much that things were "harder", they were just more tedious.
To get the best PvP gear and titles in Vanilla you didn't need to good at PvP, you just needed to spend 12 hours a day in BGs.
The highest level PvE gear still came from raids but those raids needed 40 people and it took hours to farm for raid supplies (i.e. warlock shards, mage food, etc) and because the logistics of getting 40 people together at the same time was hard people raided less frequently for longer periods of time so the raids took longer to progress through.
Also, lets not forget about the horrible imbalances of vanilla... Warriors were the only viable tanks, paladins could only heal as the other specs were just awful, etc. So there were less people available to do the jobs needed.
Also, no flying, and flight paths took 30 mins in some cases. Flying from darnasses to gadgetson was never fun, ever!
P.S. - If epeen is your thing you can still stroke that bad boy by going for gladiator in PvP or raiding mythic raid content.
But yes long gone are the days of sitting for an hour or two spamming city chat for a tank or healer for deadmines or not being able to finish a specific quest at level 8 because you need a 5 man party to kill hogger.
When I think about difficulty. My thoughts aren't about tedium or grinding. My thoughts are about survive-ability. It's about being challenged in the regular everyday leveling game. I really enjoyed places sprinkled into regular zones like that castle hold up by Orcs in Red Ridge that were quite difficult even for a party. It just added some spice. Why do they have to nerf places like that? Not like you cant just move on if your soloing.
I find the difficulty level in the leveling game to be OK when it's current, but then they always end up nerfing it. Usually because people complain that it takes too long and they want to let them get to cap so they can do "End Game" why fuck up the previous content? Why nerf it? Why speed it up from how it was originally designed? Why not just let people skip it if they feel so inclined with no extra fee?
It seems that every Xpack is a game changer from the previous one. When you get to one you leave the previous ones behind. Are you going to revisit Draenor and previous content to enjoy it? or are you going to revisit it just to rush through as fast as you can so you can get to Legion?
IMHO this is the really sad thing about the game. Fucking up all the old content for a real shitty reason when you could just give them a skip or fast forward button.
"and we’ll revisit it again a couple of months down the line to assign the final score"
EXCUSE ME??? IT IS RELEASED AND THEY ARE CHARGING MONEY FOR IT. REVIEW AND SCORE IT NOW AS YOU CLAIM IS YOUR POLICY. OTHERWISE YOU LOOK TWO FACED.
We honestly can't just longevity in a few days time. It's similar to how we take 3-6 weeks to review other MMOs. But instead of doing a multi week Review in Progress - Suzie's doing an initial "play it or wait" review of the expansion, and then a few weeks down the line will assign a score. Same process, less articles.
You were more than somewhat unreasonable in your original statement, why you are confused, i have no idea, the expac is only just out, it makes changes to the game, it takes time to assess those changes, and as it is really not possible to put in 100 hrs in a 24hr period, maybe give people time to actually find out more about the game as it is today, otherwise any review is likely to be based on the games state before Legion, rather than after it, don't you think?
No.
Product reviews are intended to help a consumer make an educated purchase or not. How does it serve anyone to wait until the money has either been spent or the time has passed?
If you want to write an article about your time spent in a game after a month or two, go right ahead. But it's not serving anyone any purpose as a product review at that point.
It really frustrates me to see how stupid people have gotten. Learn to make sentences while we're on the topic of stupid.
Product reviews are intended to help a consumer make an educated purchase or not. How does it serve anyone to wait until the money has either been spent or the time has passed?
If you want to write an article about your time spent in a game after a month or two, go right ahead. But it's not serving anyone any purpose as a product review at that point.
It really frustrates me to see how stupid people have gotten. Learn to make sentences while we're on the topic of stupid.
How does one review something before one experiences it? I mean if he has leveled in 1 zone and rates a game based on a single zones experience isn't that kind of inaccurate? That's like reviewing a movie after the 3D don't forget to buy your Coke intro.... lol
Here is the buyers review... it's $49.99 buy it and try it. You might like it, you might hate it... judge for yourself, it's not a $60k BMW we're talking about here. If you get at least one month out of it, it's $49 well spent, if not oh well, it was the price of 2 movie tickets, popcorn and sodas.
Product reviews are intended to help a consumer make an educated purchase or not. How does it serve anyone to wait until the money has either been spent or the time has passed?
If you want to write an article about your time spent in a game after a month or two, go right ahead. But it's not serving anyone any purpose as a product review at that point.
It really frustrates me to see how stupid people have gotten. Learn to make sentences while we're on the topic of stupid.
How does one review something before one experiences it? I mean if he has leveled in 1 zone and rates a game based on a single zones experience isn't that kind of inaccurate? That's like reviewing a movie after the 3D don't forget to buy your Coke intro.... lol
Here is the buyers review... it's $49.99 buy it and try it. You might like it, you might hate it... judge for yourself, it's not a $60k BMW we're talking about here. If you get at least one month out of it, it's $49 well spent, if not oh well, it was the price of 2 movie tickets, popcorn and sodas.
Go back and read what I'm speaking to. Bill said it would be a few weeks until Suzie gives a review and a score.
We all know the expansion pack only has a few weeks of content. Therefor the masses will have already and consumed and moved on by the time they give a score.
I also gave a counter example where they are reviewing and scoring immediately.
What is so hard for you to understand? Or did you simply jump in late to the convo and not even read what was said? Just spewed your crap in there.
Also, you're a very stupid consumer and should not be giving advice to others if you think people should spend $50 to try and buy anything and everything that catches their interest instead of doing consumer research.
I bought it at the last minute and am level 109. I'm not very impressed with the leveling story to be honest.
Every zone is something we've seen before. I would have taken this expansion off of Azeroth. Maybe to attack the Legion closer to their turf before they attacked us. that would have opened things creatively.
This is a VERY conservative expansion outside of some major character deaths, which is long overdue.
I think some people equate tedious to hard and by that measure, yes WoW on a whole is "easier" than it was in vanilla. In reality tedious ! = hard. I can walk at a slow pace for 5 hours and burn 700 calories or I can try to bust my butt and burn 700 cals in 45 mins, which is actually harder?
In vanilla it wasn't so much that things were "harder", they were just more tedious.
To get the best PvP gear and titles in Vanilla you didn't need to good at PvP, you just needed to spend 12 hours a day in BGs.
The highest level PvE gear still came from raids but those raids needed 40 people and it took hours to farm for raid supplies (i.e. warlock shards, mage food, etc) and because the logistics of getting 40 people together at the same time was hard people raided less frequently for longer periods of time so the raids took longer to progress through.
Also, lets not forget about the horrible imbalances of vanilla... Warriors were the only viable tanks, paladins could only heal as the other specs were just awful, etc. So there were less people available to do the jobs needed.
Also, no flying, and flight paths took 30 mins in some cases. Flying from darnasses to gadgetson was never fun, ever!
P.S. - If epeen is your thing you can still stroke that bad boy by going for gladiator in PvP or raiding mythic raid content.
But yes long gone are the days of sitting for an hour or two spamming city chat for a tank or healer for deadmines or not being able to finish a specific quest at level 8 because you need a 5 man party to kill hogger.
I think people call it tedious and they don't want to have that because they are lazy and want everything handed to them. And if you call them out on it they come up with excuses.
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I bought it at the last minute and am level 109. I'm not very impressed with the leveling story to be honest.
Every zone is something we've seen before. I would have taken this expansion off of Azeroth. Maybe to attack the Legion closer to their turf before they attacked us. that would have opened things creatively.
This is a VERY conservative expansion outside of some major character deaths, which is long overdue.
I've been noticing the zones feel very similar to everything we have seen before. The graphics from WoD and this expansion are considerably better than previously.
Everyone now rips on WoD but the reviews were insanely good on this website when it was released. Go back and look at them, much better than what I'm seeing for this expansion thus far.
I bought it at the last minute and am level 109. I'm not very impressed with the leveling story to be honest.
Every zone is something we've seen before. I would have taken this expansion off of Azeroth. Maybe to attack the Legion closer to their turf before they attacked us. that would have opened things creatively.
This is a VERY conservative expansion outside of some major character deaths, which is long overdue.
I've been noticing the zones feel very similar to everything we have seen before. The graphics from WoD and this expansion are considerably better than previously.
Everyone now rips on WoD but the reviews were insanely good on this website when it was released. Go back and look at them, much better than what I'm seeing for this expansion thus far.
I thought the leveling experience was pretty good through WoD
I think it's post leveling experience that gets ripped
Go back and read what I'm speaking to. Bill said it would be a few weeks until Suzie gives a review and a score.
We all know the expansion pack only has a few weeks of content. Therefor the masses will have already and consumed and moved on by the time they give a score.
I also gave a counter example where they are reviewing and scoring immediately.
What is so hard for you to understand? Or did you simply jump in late to the convo and not even read what was said? Just spewed your crap in there.
Also, you're a very stupid consumer and should not be giving advice to others if you think people should spend $50 to try and buy anything and everything that catches their interest instead of doing consumer research.
Well, considering that mythic dungeons don't release until next week, the first raid won't be released for 3 weeks and the PvP season hasn't started yet, and he has only played a few hours, I don't know what you're asking for?? Not to mention that generally speaking for the first year of an expansion new content is released every few months.
What you are asking for is, Bill's opinion on whether or not the game is worth your $50 to you, based on his extremely limited knowledge... It just sounds asinine to me!
It may be worth $1000 to one person and not even a penny to another. Not to mention it's a pretty silly concept that you would base whether or not you see a movie or buy a game off of someone else's review, as reviews are totally subjective.
If you are looking for a new game to play or wondering if you should revisit WoW the only way to know the answer is to try it. No one can give you an answer to that question and it's silly to argue with someone who say's we can't review as we haven't experienced enough yet to do so.
I think what you are really looking for is to have him confirm what you already know which is you hate WoW for the stinky, dirty, been there done that, evil theme park MMO that it is or it's amazing WoW has been reborn and you should run out and buy it right away!
Go back and read what I'm speaking to. Bill said it would be a few weeks until Suzie gives a review and a score.
We all know the expansion pack only has a few weeks of content. Therefor the masses will have already and consumed and moved on by the time they give a score.
I also gave a counter example where they are reviewing and scoring immediately.
What is so hard for you to understand? Or did you simply jump in late to the convo and not even read what was said? Just spewed your crap in there.
Also, you're a very stupid consumer and should not be giving advice to others if you think people should spend $50 to try and buy anything and everything that catches their interest instead of doing consumer research.
Well, considering that mythic dungeons don't release until next week, the first raid won't be released for 3 weeks and the PvP season hasn't started yet, and he has only played a few hours, I don't know what you're asking for?? Not to mention that generally speaking for the first year of an expansion new content is released every few months.
What you are asking for is, Bill's opinion on whether or not the game is worth your $50 to you, based on his extremely limited knowledge... It just sounds asinine to me!
It may be worth $1000 to one person and not even a penny to another. Not to mention it's a pretty silly concept that you would base whether or not you see a movie or buy a game off of someone else's review, as reviews are totally subjective.
If you are looking for a new game to play or wondering if you should revisit WoW the only way to know the answer is to try it. No one can give you an answer to that question and it's silly to argue with someone who say's we can't review as we haven't experienced enough yet to do so.
I think what you are really looking for is to have him confirm what you already know which is you hate WoW for the stinky, dirty, been there done that, evil theme park MMO that it is or it's amazing WoW has been reborn and you should run out and buy it right away!
I am simply amazed at the idiots that speak out as if they never understood product reviews or consumer research. I am speaking to the way things have always been. You are asking me to accept things changing and blindly throw money at anything that catches my eye. Absolutely ridiculous.
How many days has it been since the release of Shroud of the Avatar???
...that's right, X amount of negative days unknown. Product doesn't even have a release dat and has been scored.
I agree that the leveling wasn't bad in WoD. For me, it was when the reality of Garrisons really sunk in after a few months that I realized the underlying problem with the expansion. Up until that point I was having a blast.
I couldn't agree more with this! The leveling in WoD was good the first time or two through. The raids in WoD were pretty good too. The concept of Ashran was pretty cool but horribly implemented.
Ultimately what ruined WoD was the implementation of the Garrisons and their effect on overall game play. They promoted an anti-social environment where everything from gold to profession mats to gear could be acquired without leaving your solo safe place. At the same time they pretty much forced you to level your garrison, level your followers, gear out your followers, level your shipyard, level your ships, farm oil for your ships, etc as your legendary ring was gated behind this FB style mini game.
I am simply amazed at the idiots that speak out as if they never understood product reviews or consumer research. I am speaking to the way things have always been. You are asking me to accept things changing and blindly throw money at anything that catches my eye. Absolutely ridiculous.
How many days has it been since the release of Shroud of the Avatar???
...that's right, X amount of negative days unknown. Product doesn't even have a release dat and has been scored.
So you would rather an erroneous number be thrown out there based off of nothing really so you can decide if you buy it or not?
Fine since we all know the MMORPG rating system really goes from 6 - 10 not 1 - 10 as I have never seen a score lower than 6. something... I am going to rate it an 8.
Now what?
P.S. - I understand consumer research but it's not a vacuum. You can't run it for 5 mins and say, "Yep works awesome picked up all the filthy animal hair on my scummy rug!".
P.P.S. - Name calling is not necessary... Use your grown up words!
No. I haven't played WoW in more than a decade and nothing I've seen in that time has been a reason to give the game another chance. Too many fundamental game design decisions that I dislike.
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the streamlining policy killed the game for me, played vanilla religiously, after that it has lost all charm for me...
Yeah waiting till the weekend to get it, I got the best group of friends that are always there willing to help, only reason why I haven't abandoned the game completely.
I am simply amazed at the idiots that speak out as if they never understood product reviews or consumer research. I am speaking to the way things have always been. You are asking me to accept things changing and blindly throw money at anything that catches my eye. Absolutely ridiculous.
How many days has it been since the release of Shroud of the Avatar???
...that's right, X amount of negative days unknown. Product doesn't even have a release dat and has been scored.
So you would rather an erroneous number be thrown out there based off of nothing really so you can decide if you buy it or not?
Fine since we all know the MMORPG rating system really goes from 6 - 10 not 1 - 10 as I have never seen a score lower than 6. something... I am going to rate it an 8.
Now what?
P.S. - I understand consumer research but it's not a vacuum. You can't run it for 5 mins and say, "Yep works awesome picked up all the filthy animal hair on my scummy rug!".
P.P.S. - Name calling is not necessary... Use your grown up words!
You just displayed your lack of understanding of consumer research. Consumer research is something you do BEFORE purchasing the vacuum, not afterwards.
Awesome for anyone that still loves the game. Games are always about entertainment for me. This is not about talking smack about WoW. Just my personal experience
After BC, there were many other games that I wanted to try that at least pushed a bit more (new games) vs. just making another expansion. Some failed, some didn't. I could never get back into WoW though. It always seemed...dated or behind the times. I haven't bought back into the game, so I don't have a hands on experience. Take that as you will.
Bottom line, I really do like that people are loving the game still.
I Returned after a long hiatus from the game. But really enjoyed the invasions before the release and been having some fun doing quests and such and dungeons which I have not even done in any other mmo besides this and GW2 all other games nope. But yeah having a lot of fun with it for now.
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I bought it yesterday and i played a couple of hours. Got my legendary weapon and did some quests in Aszuna. After that i got bored. I don't say its WoW's fault, maybe its mine because of too many years and too many mmo's, but the point is a already got bored. Anyway i ll play a bit every day to reach max lvl and who knows...
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I bought it yesterday and i played a couple of hours. Got my legendary weapon and did some quests in Aszuna. After that i got bored. I don't say its WoW's fault, maybe its mine because of too many years and too many mmo's, but the point is a already got bored. Anyway i ll play a bit every day to reach max lvl and who knows...
People quickly take it upon themselves whenever a game bores them. We also have to realize that WOW is a very old game that in it's core has never really changed. Not everyone who finds this boring is burnt out.
I'd go so far to say that WoW in 2016 is a boring game. Looking at what other games (no only mmorpgs) did in the last 12 years and then looking at WoW, we see a game that is mostly still working on 2004 mechanics and systems which even got dumped down more and more. Level, quest, go from A to B, get your skills, kill those mobs, professions etc. None of the many revamps changed how the game basicly works since forever, plus we've had alot of steps back.
Every other game that got released in the last 10 years and came up with nothing more than this WoW-formula was said to be boring. WoW more or less delivered this formula at highest quality standards, but the overall mmorpg template is just so worn out today. Despite all improvements it is horribly old and it shows. Blizzard have mastered the art of selling more of the same in a different wrapping every time, but that doesn't work for everyone and not over 12 years.
If WoW would be released today in it's current state, that is after i.e. Rift's invasions and it's souls, BDO's various systems/graphics, TERAs combat, GW2's dynamics, Wildstar's housing and what else you can name, people would probably say "ok, this game has alof of leveling content, but other than that not much else going for it". And that leveling content and lore as one the game's strongest aspects is what Blizzard rushes you through at lightspeed and barely allows you to have a glimpse at.
I wrote it in another thread that my standards are higher than they were in 2005. They have changed over a decade, but WoW has not. At least not enough to keep up. People use sub to it for 3 month and leave again. Which is a perfectly fine asnwer to the state of the game, but in the end it's because for many the game has nothing more to offer.
I'm happy for those who are having fun, especially when i look at the genre in generell. But artefact weapons and class order halls won't do for long and what we got with WoW today is not enough as an answer for 10mio subs lost.
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In vanilla it wasn't so much that things were "harder", they were just more tedious.
To get the best PvP gear and titles in Vanilla you didn't need to good at PvP, you just needed to spend 12 hours a day in BGs.
The highest level PvE gear still came from raids but those raids needed 40 people and it took hours to farm for raid supplies (i.e. warlock shards, mage food, etc) and because the logistics of getting 40 people together at the same time was hard people raided less frequently for longer periods of time so the raids took longer to progress through.
Also, lets not forget about the horrible imbalances of vanilla... Warriors were the only viable tanks, paladins could only heal as the other specs were just awful, etc. So there were less people available to do the jobs needed.
Also, no flying, and flight paths took 30 mins in some cases. Flying from darnasses to gadgetson was never fun, ever!
P.S. - If epeen is your thing you can still stroke that bad boy by going for gladiator in PvP or raiding mythic raid content.
But yes long gone are the days of sitting for an hour or two spamming city chat for a tank or healer for deadmines or not being able to finish a specific quest at level 8 because you need a 5 man party to kill hogger.
As far as reviews go, you can't review an mmorpg until you play enough hours or the review is meaningless. It wouldn't make sense to give Legion a score for 3 months IMHO. It takes a lot of time to do anything, leveling to 110, getting the artifact weapon, waiting on lfr to release or getting raids done with your guild, doing pvp bgs, crafting, etc. What is the point of a review if you don't even wait and experience the content?
Now, Pandaria got so much hate, was it the removal of the talent trees? The skills removed? Every single expansion removes abilities, that is just how blizzard operates. We all hate it, but Legion offers a lot of fun things as well.
WoD had a great leveling experience, and Legion definitely is sticking with its progression, with a bit more polish. Graphics feel so much better, the zones aesthetics are gorgeous, the best they have ever done. The atmosphere of the different zones just suck you in. In Val'sharah, you start with this beautiful grove, but the more you dive into the zone the more this red/black corruption color starts to seep in, turning the lush green into a vibrant red. Just breathtaking. The combat animations and sound have weight to them, it feels like your 'cutting' your enemies apart.
The story so far is brilliant, and I am really anxious to see how it builds. I am also interested to see how alt leveling through Legion will be with the emphasis on class orders and the flexible zone experience.
Dungeons are much more involved in the story, and I just love running the DH through them, so much engage/disengage available is just fun as hell. Please give this Xpac a chance, I have been blown away so far and I can't wait to keep going.
I find the difficulty level in the leveling game to be OK when it's current, but then they always end up nerfing it. Usually because people complain that it takes too long and they want to let them get to cap so they can do "End Game" why fuck up the previous content? Why nerf it? Why speed it up from how it was originally designed? Why not just let people skip it if they feel so inclined with no extra fee?
It seems that every Xpack is a game changer from the previous one. When you get to one you leave the previous ones behind. Are you going to revisit Draenor and previous content to enjoy it? or are you going to revisit it just to rush through as fast as you can so you can get to Legion?
IMHO this is the really sad thing about the game. Fucking up all the old content for a real shitty reason when you could just give them a skip or fast forward button.
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Product reviews are intended to help a consumer make an educated purchase or not. How does it serve anyone to wait until the money has either been spent or the time has passed?
If you want to write an article about your time spent in a game after a month or two, go right ahead. But it's not serving anyone any purpose as a product review at that point.
It really frustrates me to see how stupid people have gotten. Learn to make sentences while we're on the topic of stupid.
Here is the buyers review... it's $49.99 buy it and try it. You might like it, you might hate it... judge for yourself, it's not a $60k BMW we're talking about here. If you get at least one month out of it, it's $49 well spent, if not oh well, it was the price of 2 movie tickets, popcorn and sodas.
We all know the expansion pack only has a few weeks of content. Therefor the masses will have already and consumed and moved on by the time they give a score.
I also gave a counter example where they are reviewing and scoring immediately.
What is so hard for you to understand? Or did you simply jump in late to the convo and not even read what was said? Just spewed your crap in there.
Also, you're a very stupid consumer and should not be giving advice to others if you think people should spend $50 to try and buy anything and everything that catches their interest instead of doing consumer research.
Every zone is something we've seen before. I would have taken this expansion off of Azeroth. Maybe to attack the Legion closer to their turf before they attacked us. that would have opened things creatively.
This is a VERY conservative expansion outside of some major character deaths, which is long overdue.
I think people call it tedious and they don't want to have that because they are lazy and want everything handed to them. And if you call them out on it they come up with excuses.
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John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Everyone now rips on WoD but the reviews were insanely good on this website when it was released. Go back and look at them, much better than what I'm seeing for this expansion thus far.
I think it's post leveling experience that gets ripped
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What you are asking for is, Bill's opinion on whether or not the game is worth your $50 to you, based on his extremely limited knowledge... It just sounds asinine to me!
It may be worth $1000 to one person and not even a penny to another. Not to mention it's a pretty silly concept that you would base whether or not you see a movie or buy a game off of someone else's review, as reviews are totally subjective.
If you are looking for a new game to play or wondering if you should revisit WoW the only way to know the answer is to try it. No one can give you an answer to that question and it's silly to argue with someone who say's we can't review as we haven't experienced enough yet to do so.
I think what you are really looking for is to have him confirm what you already know which is you hate WoW for the stinky, dirty, been there done that, evil theme park MMO that it is or it's amazing WoW has been reborn and you should run out and buy it right away!
How many days has it been since the release of Shroud of the Avatar???
...that's right, X amount of negative days unknown. Product doesn't even have a release dat and has been scored.
Ultimately what ruined WoD was the implementation of the Garrisons and their effect on overall game play. They promoted an anti-social environment where everything from gold to profession mats to gear could be acquired without leaving your solo safe place. At the same time they pretty much forced you to level your garrison, level your followers, gear out your followers, level your shipyard, level your ships, farm oil for your ships, etc as your legendary ring was gated behind this FB style mini game.
Fine since we all know the MMORPG rating system really goes from 6 - 10 not 1 - 10 as I have never seen a score lower than 6. something... I am going to rate it an 8.
Now what?
P.S. - I understand consumer research but it's not a vacuum. You can't run it for 5 mins and say, "Yep works awesome picked up all the filthy animal hair on my scummy rug!".
P.P.S. - Name calling is not necessary... Use your grown up words!
+1 the streamlining policy killed the game for me, played vanilla religiously, after that it has lost all charm for me...
You just displayed your lack of understanding of consumer research. Consumer research is something you do BEFORE purchasing the vacuum, not afterwards.
After BC, there were many other games that I wanted to try that at least pushed a bit more (new games) vs. just making another expansion. Some failed, some didn't. I could never get back into WoW though. It always seemed...dated or behind the times. I haven't bought back into the game, so I don't have a hands on experience. Take that as you will.
Bottom line, I really do like that people are loving the game still.
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We also have to realize that WOW is a very old game that in it's core has never really changed. Not everyone who finds this boring is burnt out.
I'd go so far to say that WoW in 2016 is a boring game.
Looking at what other games (no only mmorpgs) did in the last 12 years and then looking at WoW, we see a game that is mostly still working on 2004 mechanics and systems which even got dumped down more and more. Level, quest, go from A to B, get your skills, kill those mobs, professions etc.
None of the many revamps changed how the game basicly works since forever, plus we've had alot of steps back.
Every other game that got released in the last 10 years and came up with nothing more than this WoW-formula was said to be boring.
WoW more or less delivered this formula at highest quality standards, but the overall mmorpg template is just so worn out today. Despite all improvements it is horribly old and it shows. Blizzard have mastered the art of selling more of the same in a different wrapping every time, but that doesn't work for everyone and not over 12 years.
If WoW would be released today in it's current state, that is after i.e. Rift's invasions and it's souls, BDO's various systems/graphics, TERAs combat, GW2's dynamics, Wildstar's housing and what else you can name, people would probably say "ok, this game has alof of leveling content, but other than that not much else going for it". And that leveling content and lore as one the game's strongest aspects is what Blizzard rushes you through at lightspeed and barely allows you to have a glimpse at.
I wrote it in another thread that my standards are higher than they were in 2005. They have changed over a decade, but WoW has not. At least not enough to keep up. People use sub to it for 3 month and leave again. Which is a perfectly fine asnwer to the state of the game, but in the end it's because for many the game has nothing more to offer.
I'm happy for those who are having fun, especially when i look at the genre in generell. But artefact weapons and class order halls won't do for long and what we got with WoW today is not enough as an answer for 10mio subs lost.