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The Creator of 'Magic the Gathering' on Abusive Games and Business Models
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The steak house next door serves a bad steak. Should I prefer that because I am not being skinnerboxed?
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aren't Card games Pay to win also ???
you can spend a million dollars on magic cards and still be missing the rares you need
I'm sure people have spent all there money on trying to find that special 1 card they ~NEEEEEED~
doesn't this card game Prey on peoples addictive Personalities ? got to keep spending all my money until I have the Master deck to beat everyone hahah
It is wrong. "Imagine a world where bars don’t charge for the first two drinks a day but charge crazy fees for subsequent drinks. This would be using a sickness, alcoholism, to subsidize moderate drinking for everyone else."
If a person has a drinking problem or can't stop spending in video games they need to deal with that on their own terms as I imagine that type of behavior affects other parts of their lives.
If a person wants to spend thousands of dollars in a game, assuming in this example that they just do so because they have a lot of money and enjoy it, then that's their business.
Just like it's our business not to patronize games that monetize in ways we don't agree with.
Otherwise where is the line drawn?
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the article describes taking advantage of people who can't help but overspend. Sure there's overlap but you missed the main point.
But as others have said, CCG's are predatory to consumers by their nature.
The open ended MMO model doesn't let you buy a steak. It gives you a box which includes something edible (arguably). There's the possibility that it's that awesome steak but chances are that it's a piece of okra.
But that's ok! because the boxes only cost $1 where the awesome steak lists for $30. The predatory nature of these boxes isn't apparent until you realize that it takes on average $100 worth of boxes to get that one awesome steak.
so Every card pack could potentially have the 1 card you need,
so you buy 4000 card packs and still don't get the 1 card you need,
so you buy 4000 more packs of cards and still missing that 1 card hahah
MaGIC definitely takes advantage of the people who cant help but Overspend ^__^
it is the exact same as buying chests for Real money in online games...Hopeing you get that 1 rare of Masterfull beauty
Still kind of rich to sneer at fee2pay games when you pretty much invented the fucking genre.
This have been a good conversation
With a CCG, if you buy 20 packs of cards and don't get the one that you want, then you can trade the ones you have, sell the ones you have or simply go on eBay and buy the ones you are missing. They are collectibles and real world tangible assets belonging to you.
During the Overwatch seasonal events, for a counterpoint, the only way in which to get the skins you wanted was to spend more money. Not only that, but some skins were absolutely much more rare than others. There's no market to buy, sell or trade them either. You just have what you pulled out of the box, like it or not.
Lastly, when it comes to magic, the way that tournaments are organized these days, you do not at all need the cards worth hundreds of dollars from the Unlimited set. In fact, most MtG tournaments limit the card selecting to the last 3-4 sets of cards released meaning they should all be easily attainable with minimal expenditure.
The correct version would be that you know that the steak house makes a good stake, but you cannot just buy the steak. You have to buy items that will help you do a fixed work rutine faster which will reward you with a random item from the menu, which MIGHT be the steak, but more likely will not be.
Now some people will like steak SO much that the mere chance that they will get it and the thrill rush of working towards the reward, not knowing if THIS time it will be the GOOD steak, they will keep paying and working for the bad stuff while waiting for the few times they actually get the good stuff.
The fact that they actually sometimes DO get the good stuff will make lul them into thinking that this is totally OK way of offering steaks. This is a known and documented psycological flaw in all of us, some can control it some cannot. Either way, exploiting that flaw is a doubious endeavor.
The problem with you example is that you KNOW you get the good steak each time, so that is NOT skinner mechanics. That is just dining at a great steak house.
its very often that symptoms become mistaken for the cause. Reality is those that have this issue are going to find addictive behaviors in places you or me might never even think of. The solution is to address the real cause, not the symptoms.
Having said that I would agree that this does not give one permission to exploit but it merely suggests the mass of us are looking at addiction incorrectly.
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if you want a specific card in mtg, you buy/trade it from a shop or a player. you don't open 4000 boosters ...
here is what you can also do with your 'rng mtg boxes' :
you buy 3 booster packs at your local shop, play a draft game with other customers.
you then keep the cards you need and sell/trade those you don't want/need. you might even make a profit off of those 3 booster packs.
and here is the biggest difference between all those games with rng boxes in them and mtg (csgo being one of the very few exceptions) :
cards in magic (both online and paper) have a real monetary value.
you can even speculate in mtg, i've done it and it paid off multiple times : i bought my $2k computer 2 months ago by selling some of my magic online cards.
you really picked the worst exemple possible there.
so please don't be ignorant and blurt out stupidity like that just for the sake of arguing.
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Hopefully gamers will eventually see this link as well and avoid games designed to trick/coerce you into paying.
Instead of the steakhouse focusing on the quality of their steaks to bring in repeat customers, they focus on manipulating them and save money.
The original post recognizes that manipulation occurs any time money changes hands, but the difference between normal purchases and what's happening nowadays is paying for quality and paying to win.
@topic Anyway i feel i should also add that i do not think he is wrong and that lootboxes in games like Neverwinter and every god damm mobile game ever is kind of getting old... especially on the mobile side where developers.. or more specific publishers are known to close the games the second they are nt as profitable as they want or in the case of licenced games, pick up to cheapest timeframe for the license and then be forced to close it down.
This have been a good conversation
MTG, when TCG's are about chuck out the old and bring in the new, all the time, i have a problem with that, because half the time it looks like they are just reskinning old cards artwork and names etc. not that old cards are OP or anything.