GPU Upgrade

immodium

Hey.

This is my current setup:

i5-4670 (non k)
XFX 750W PSU
8 GB ram
GTX 770

I was just wondering would upgrading to a 1070 (or AMD equivalent) require a CPU upgrade? And would my new setup be able to game at 1440p?

I won't be going 1440 until some time middle of next year. At the moment I just want to game at 60 fps at at max settings and the 770 isn't cutting it anymore.

Ridelynn

Nope, no CPU upgrade required.

laxie

I had the same CPU with gtx970, easily running max on 1080p. I could also run most MMOs 4K. Anything that isn't cutting edge will run 4K, the rest will run 1440p.

You are asking about gtx 1070, which is a lot more powerful. My guess is you'll be able to run anything at 1440p with max details. Most games should also run at 4K.

The reason why I upgraded the CPU was because of VR. Some games struggled there, mainly due to poor optimisation.

immodium

laxie said:

The reason why I upgraded the CPU was because of VR. Some games struggled there, mainly due to poor optimisation.

I've not been bit by the VR bug just yet. Maybe a few years from now. I'll see how it pans out, I'm not one for 'moving' whilst gaming.

Thanks for the information. I've got info from else where suggesting that the bottleneck would be minimal so a full system upgrade wouldn't be necessary.

Just like to get more opinions.

Malabooga

I guess you could ick up cheap RX470 and look at 1440p GPUs next year when form what was said both AMD and NVidia wil have refreshes and you will probably be able to pick up much better 1440p card for same money next year (along with chosen monitor theres also Freesync and GSync and all that)

1070 may be 1440p card now (although not 60 FPS all max) but its already showing lack of juice. 1060/470/480 re not that much behind.

CPU is fine for whatever card really.

Malabooga

And yeah, 1070 will get you 60 FPS in 1080p no qustions asked, but for that price over 1060/480 and especially 470 its really questionable value at 400+$

470 will get you 60 FPS in vast majority of games with some games needing lowering some settings for 169+$

i guess its for you to decide if its worth it.

Vrika

Malabooga said:

I guess you could ick up cheap RX470 and look at 1440p GPUs next year when form what was said both AMD and NVidia wil have refreshes and you will probably be able to pick up much better 1440p card for same money next year (along with chosen monitor theres also Freesync and GSync and all that)

1070 may be 1440p card now (although not 60 FPS all max) but its already showing lack of juice. 1060/470/480 re not that much behind.

That's not very wise. If you upgrade in small steps, you'll just have to upgrade twice as often. Buying more graphic cards won't save you any money, it'll only delay expenses to the future.

Either keep the GTX 770, or upgrade to a graphic card that you think is good now. But spending nearly $200 to a solution you plan to be temporary is a waste of money.

I'd recommend upgrading now. NVidia and AMD both launched new graphic cards earlier this year, and they've only been a widely available for a couple of months. If you start waiting for next graphic card generation you'll likely end up waiting till summer 2017.


EDIT: I'd recommend GTX 1070. GTX 1080 is good, but it's a bit too expensive. While GTX 1060 or RX 480 offer good performance for their price, but they're not that large upgrades compared to GTX 770.

I think GTX 1070 is now at the sweet spot for gaming GPUs, as long as you don't want to use 4K graphics of VR. For 4K graphics of VR GTX 1080 would be better.

Malabooga

Thats backwards logic as he said he doesnt plan on going 1440p until next year but would like something faster than 770.

Pick up 1070 and youll have to replace it next year for 1440p anyway - is also "upgrading in small steps" just for a much higher loss of value.

Both 1070/1080 are hugely overpriced for what they offer with terrible performance/price and their prices will crash very soon. 1070 is not sweet spot in any known or unknown universe, its price would have to come down >100$ to tie 470, 470 is sweet spot lol

470 is 60+% faster than 770, based on 26 tested games of which 22 are DX11 so basically best case scenario for NVidia.



Thats MUCH more than 970-1070 difference of 30-40% and yet you NVidia shills claim THAT is worthy upgrade for 450$ while 60% for 170$ IS NOT lol

And then you wonder when people call you out because of your crap lol

immodium

When I do plan on going 1440p (middle of next year, 8/9 months at least) and a single card doesn't cut the mustard, I could put the money I didn't spend on the cheaper alternative and get a second 1070. When the prices have fallen.

Vrika

Malabooga said:

Thats backwards logic as he said he doesnt plan on going 1440p until next year but would like something faster than 770.

Pick up 1070 and youll have to replace it next year for 1440p anyway - is also "upgrading in small steps" just for a much higher loss of value.

Both 1070/1080 are hugely overpriced for what they offer with terrible performance/price and their prices will crash very soon. 1070 is not sweet spot in any known or unknown universe, its price would have to come down >100$ to tie 470, 470 is sweet spot lol

470 is 60+% faster than 770, based on 26 tested games of which 22 are DX11 so basically best case scenario for NVidia.



Thats MUCH more than 970-1070 difference of 30-40% and yet you NVidia shills claim THAT is worthy upgrade for 450$ while 60% for 170$ IS NOT lol

And then you wonder when people call you out because of your crap lol

RX 470 will give you 55% higher performance than GTX 770.
 Source: http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-rx-470-vs-geforce-gtx-770

The price is currently $175 if you order one shipped from Newegg.

That's $3.18 for every 1% increase in performance


GTX 1070 will give you 187% higher performance.
  Source: http://hwbench.com/vgas/geforce-gtx-1070-vs-geforce-gtx-770

The price is currently $380 if you order one shipped from Newegg.

That's $2.03 for every 1% increase in performance.


That is the math I use when I suggest upgrading to GTX 1070 if you have GTX 770.

Malabooga

"hwbench" rofl. no wonder you have no clue what youre talking about lol

again 26 games tested



380/137= 277 $/1%

170/65= 2,61$/1%

but that "math" is skewed, lets see how much you REALLY pay for performance



for 1st 65% you pay: 170/65= 2,62 $/1%

for every 1% over 470 you pay additional: (380-170)/44= 4,77$/1%

That nicely shows that you pay 80% MORE (4,77/2,62) for same relative performance by buying 1070 over 470

yeah, performance/price for 1070 is THAT bad even at 380$ lol

just to make it clear, for 1070 to have SAME performance/price as 470 it would have to cost:

170*1,44= 245$ rofl

400$ 1070 is "sweet spot" only for someone working for NVidia that cashes in on naive customers lol

Phry

Malabooga said:

"hwbench" rofl. no wonder you have no clue what youre talking about lol

Noticeably, you didn't put up the stat for the 1070 on the comparisons in your post, i know you don't like Nvidia, but that doesn't mean they don't make good GPU's, and for gaming, a 1070 is a very good GPU.

Malabooga

immodium said:

When I do plan on going 1440p (middle of next year, 8/9 months at least) and a single card doesn't cut the mustard, I could put the money I didn't spend on the cheaper alternative and get a second 1070. When the prices have fallen.

As much as i would like them to not sit on their thumbs, m(ulti)GPU support is not good.

What you say here was the initial idea of mGPU, but NVidia doesnt even support SLI on cards lower than 1070 for instance, that should tell you much more than anything else.

Phry

Malabooga said:

immodium said:

When I do plan on going 1440p (middle of next year, 8/9 months at least) and a single card doesn't cut the mustard, I could put the money I didn't spend on the cheaper alternative and get a second 1070. When the prices have fallen.

As much as i would like them to not sit on their thumbs, m(ulti)GPU support is not good.

I am not a big fan of having multiple GPU's either tbh, i have a single 980ti, i game all the time at 1440, and 60fps isn't a problem, sure, if i want to game at 4k, i'd have to settle for less fps, which is why i generally don't, but i do have a 4k monitor, i wouldn't go back to 1080 gaming now for anything, the 1070 in those charts performed better than the 980ti, which means that for 1440 gaming it should run games at a fairly high fps rate, certainly 60fps shouldn't be a problem, likely it games well at 4k too.

PC gaming, you always get the best GPU you can afford, and honestly, if the guy can afford a 1070 then go for it, that was the basis of my decision to get a 980ti last year, at the time, it was the best GPU i could afford, i am hoping it will be another year or two before it starts to struggle with anything.

The other thing is, buying a GPU today, that next year won't be good enough based on his proposed move from 1080 to 1440, would make absolutely no sense at all, which means the 470 and the 480 that while they do well at 1080 they struggle at the higher resolutions, particularly compared to the 1070 which blasts through it, there a R9 Fury X would make more sense than either the 470 or the 480 for 1440 gaming if you were determined to stick with AMD, but if you aren't determined to stick with AMD, then 1070 for sure.

Vrika

@Malabooga

For some reason, the values on your charts and on computerbase.de are different.

Are you sure you didn't accidentally push that button which allows to select which game results are displayed, and then by some unfortunate accident unselect a couple of games where AMD didn't do so well against NVidia?

It looks like you also forgot to post your source so that no-one would notice your accidents.

Source: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/radeon-rx-470-test/3/



EDIT: Here's a comparison image so that it's easier to see. Computerbase.de's results are on the left, the image Malabooga posted is on the right. Notice how performance numbers for NVidia cards are about the same, but AMD's numbers have jumped a bit. Also the Bearbeiten -button on top right corner has become highlighted to indicate that the viewer has made a custom selection of which games' results are displayed

Malabooga

1. There are no "my charts" there are screenshot od computerbase.de charts rofl

2. i used screens from a forum, i dont have a habit to waste too much time on likes of you

3. there are no accidents and computerbase.de links were posted quite a bit by now

laserit

The best advice you can get is unbiased advice