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Upgrade PC / or new one

ZethapetaZethapeta Member UncommonPosts: 28
Hello,
I wanted to upgrade some parts of my PC, a SSD hard drive and a graphic card.
However, I am not sure if it is worth, or I should buy I new computer.

These are my specs:
- Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
- Memory: 16384MB RAM
- Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
        Dedicated Memory: 979 MB
- Monitor Model: DELL U2715H
         Monitor Id: DELD067
         Native Mode: 2560 x 1440(p) (59.951Hz)
 


Thanks!







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  • ZethapetaZethapeta Member UncommonPosts: 28
    edited October 2016
    PC is around 5 years old.
    I am having problems with some games. I think it is because of the graphic card. 



  • Trident9259Trident9259 Member UncommonPosts: 860
    i say just upgrade the GPU and add an SSD card.



  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,150
    Your CPU is better than mine and you have double the memory and I don't have any issues.  I do have an SSD and a slightly better GPU though so I would say go that route.  Curious what you are having trouble with.

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  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    Troneas said:
    i say just upgrade the GPU and add an SSD card.



    Yeah, this. Unless there's something else wrong with the PC. Or if you just want to spend your money.
    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    go for an OC'd 1060 or get a 1070, the SSD is always  a good idea.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,207
    As @Trones said, GPU and SSD card will do the trick , but .. you kinda really need to upgrade sooner then later!

    I also have a question for you :) I am in a big "WTF to choose" in terms on monitors. So, you have that dell , which I like the design a lot ( like most dell's ) , but I also see it has an 8 to 6ms which, in games , as far as I know, it's kinda high. How it's ...gaming on that monitor? Any tearing? Input lag?  I want an IPS monitor, because I can't really stand a TN one!

    Thanks!

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  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    edited October 2016
    IceAge said:
    As @Trones said, GPU and SSD card will do the trick , but .. you kinda really need to upgrade sooner then later!

    I also have a question for you :) I am in a big "WTF to choose" in terms on monitors. So, you have that dell , which I like the design a lot ( like most dell's ) , but I also see it has an 8 to 6ms which, in games , as far as I know, it's kinda high. How it's ...gaming on that monitor? Any tearing? Input lag?  I want an IPS monitor, because I can't really stand a TN one!

    Thanks!
    I used to play a lot of CoD and going from a 1ms BenQ to a friends house or something on their big slow TV was definitely noticeable. But I don't think you'll really notice a big difference unless you play a lot of FPS games.

    So yeah, generally most people won't notice a couple MS difference. I have an old crappy walmart monitor as my second screen, and BenQ as my main screen, the biggest difference is the colors really.
    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,524
    As others have said, the video card is the problem.  I'd argue that you need to at least double your GPU performance to justify an upgrade, but anything in the latest Radeon RX 400 or GeForce GTX 1000 series would do that.  There's no requirement that you should only double your performance, but depending on what you're willing to spend, you could justify any of these:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131695
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125916
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125910
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202224
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA65C4Z97980
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500409
  • ZethapetaZethapeta Member UncommonPosts: 28
    The monitor is really good. I use the PC for everything, not just gaming, so I didn´t want a TN.
    Problems i have are when i try to play at 2560 resolution. I have to play many games at low specs even at 1920.


  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    edited October 2016
    The GFX card is ancient and wasn't that good when it was new even. Just get a GTX 1070 and it will feel like a new machine.

    An SSD as some said is also nice, particularly if you reinstall windows on it instead of just cloning it over.

    This will easily allow you to max out any game, upgrading the CPU is not worth it and getting something that is an true upgrade for CPU and ram will be rather expensive and even if you do you will still need to upgrade the GFX to something pretty expensive, it is way better to just fix the GFX card which is your real problem.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487265&cm_re=1070-_-14-487-265-_-Product  This in itself will solve all your problems.

    http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228143

    I recommend this as well ($109 but just for the next 19 hours).

    That will truly make your computer as good as new, better in fact since the GFX card was so so even when it was new which was in 2009. 
    Post edited by Loke666 on
  • ZethapetaZethapeta Member UncommonPosts: 28
    Loke666 said:
    The GFX card is ancient and wasn't that good when it was new even. Just get a GTX 1070 and it will feel like a new machine.

    An SSD as some said is also nice, particularly if you reinstall windows on it instead of just cloning it over.

    This will easily allow you to max out any game, upgrading the CPU is not worth it and getting something that is an true upgrade for CPU and ram will be rather expensive and even if you do you will still need to upgrade the GFX to something pretty expensive, it is way better to just fix the GFX card which is your real problem.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487265&cm_re=1070-_-14-487-265-_-Product  This in itself will solve all your problems.

    http://http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228143

    I recommend this as well ($109 but just for the next 19 hours).

    That will truly make your computer as good as new, better in fact since the GFX card was so so even when it was new which was in 2009. 
    What was in the second link? It is not working anymore
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,993
    Zethapeta said:
    Loke666 said:
    The GFX card is ancient and wasn't that good when it was new even. Just get a GTX 1070 and it will feel like a new machine.

    An SSD as some said is also nice, particularly if you reinstall windows on it instead of just cloning it over.

    This will easily allow you to max out any game, upgrading the CPU is not worth it and getting something that is an true upgrade for CPU and ram will be rather expensive and even if you do you will still need to upgrade the GFX to something pretty expensive, it is way better to just fix the GFX card which is your real problem.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487265&cm_re=1070-_-14-487-265-_-Product  This in itself will solve all your problems.

    http://http//www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228143

    I recommend this as well ($109 but just for the next 19 hours).

    That will truly make your computer as good as new, better in fact since the GFX card was so so even when it was new which was in 2009. 
    What was in the second link? It is not working anymore
    Fixed it for you: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228143
     
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Vrika said:
    Zethapeta said:
    What was in the second link? It is not working anymore
    Fixed it for you: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228143
    Sorry, thanks. Yeah, just an acceptable SSD to decrease all loading times with a lot.
  • spankybusspankybus Member UncommonPosts: 1,367
    Really, it comes down to your budget.

    Assuming money is no object:

    GPU: 1080 (I always get one more tier beyond my current needs in the interest of future-proofing).

    I would link one, but there are so many third-party models now and I do not own one personally (x2 Titan X). Would difer to the judgement of someone who owns one.

    SSD:  Would strive for 1TB at least.  SSD's are great but the small ones fill up fast. If you want it for more than just your operating systems and a few key programs, get more space. I have a 1TB C: SSD and a 6TB three-drive spindle array for storage (RAID 5). Again, my PC is for work, like you.

    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E1T0B-AM/dp/B00OBRFFAS/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1477922310&sr=1-1&keywords=SSD+1TB

    Then, reduce spec as your budget demands. If this is your work PC, its a business expense and the upgrades should be tax-deductible (or write-off, whatever the term is). Again, if you are a U.S. Citizen. Don't know the tax laws of other countries.

    Your Proc and Ram look fine to me.

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  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    edited October 2016
    Think about what you want to do with your PC in the near future.  For gamers, there are really 3 categories to consider;

    1) I like the games I am playing and don't plan to get anything new in the next year or so
    2) I am really looking forward to a couple of upcoming games with awesome graphics that are using next gen engines like Unreal 4
    3) I am very much considering VR on my PC in a year or two

    Category 1 is just the video card and SSD.  A Nvidia card will be the easiest if you do not plan to redo your operating system.  If you do plan on starting with a fresh OS (I would suggest this, as there is nothing like that new OS smell), then there are ATI cards to consider as well.  Get whichever one is the best deal.  Ignore all fan boys, and do a little research.  The ATI RX-470 and RX-480 are very good cards, and really good values.  The GTX1060 and GTX 1070 are also very good, although the 1070 is out of my price range.  I vowed 15 years ago to never spend more than $300 on a video card, and other than a horrid experiment in SLI I have kept that vow.  One thing to consider is according to most testing being done, ATI cards do much better with DX12 games (the immediate future for computer gaming) that the Nvidia cards.  That will probably change in the next generation of cards, but you are looking at the current generation.

    Category 2 would probably be OK with the video card and SSD update for a year or so, but as games get better (when we have Xbox Scorpio and PS4 Neo in full swing games will move forth strongly as far as looks and tech) even that 2nd gen i7 is going to start being long in the tooth.  This category MAY be a good one to consider an upgrade.  To upgrade to a 6th gen i7 will require a new motherboard and new memory, and since you are already looking at a new video card and an SSD, at that point you might as well just replace the whole thing.

    Category 3 would require a complete upgrade, as none of your current components other that the HDD as a 2nd drive are VR ready.

    So figure out which category or blend of categories you are in, and have fun!


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  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Another thing to consider is that if you are upgrading and staying with it for a couple of years, look at last gen video cards.  The GTX970, GTX 980, R9-390X and ATI Fury X cards are all bargain basement priced, and would do very well with current and immediate next gen games.


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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    spankybus said:
    Really, it comes down to your budget.

    Assuming money is no object:

    GPU: 1080 (I always get one more tier beyond my current needs in the interest of future-proofing).

    I would link one, but there are so many third-party models now and I do not own one personally (x2 Titan X). Would difer to the judgement of someone who owns one.

    SSD:  Would strive for 1TB at least.  SSD's are great but the small ones fill up fast. If you want it for more than just your operating systems and a few key programs, get more space. I have a 1TB C: SSD and a 6TB three-drive spindle array for storage (RAID 5). Again, my PC is for work, like you.

    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E1T0B-AM/dp/B00OBRFFAS/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1477922310&sr=1-1&keywords=SSD+1TB

    Then, reduce spec as your budget demands. If this is your work PC, its a business expense and the upgrades should be tax-deductible (or write-off, whatever the term is). Again, if you are a U.S. Citizen. Don't know the tax laws of other countries.

    Your Proc and Ram look fine to me.
    You don't really need an SSD that large, if you keep the old drive for media and games you rarely play half a TB is more then enough for almost anyone. You can always move huge games on and off the SSD as well.

    The really important thing is to have the OS and your favorite demanding games on the SSD, stuff you constantly use in other words. I am pretty sure a lot of what you have on your SSD easily could be on the mediadrive as well.

    The price difference just ain't worth $300. If you must have 1TB SSD it is smarter to use 2 0,5 instead  (you could merge them if you for some matter feel that you must have all that on a single drive but it is better to use 2 if you need to uninstall or something).
    GladDog said:
    Think about what you want to do with your PC in the near future.  For gamers, there are really 3 categories to consider;

    1) I like the games I am playing and don't plan to get anything new in the next year or so
    2) I am really looking forward to a couple of upcoming games with awesome graphics that are using next gen engines like Unreal 4
    3) I am very much considering VR on my PC in a year or two

    Category 1 is just the video card and SSD.  A Nvidia card will be the easiest if you do not plan to redo your operating system.  If you do plan on starting with a fresh OS (I would suggest this, as there is nothing like that new OS smell), then there are ATI cards to consider as well.  Get whichever one is the best deal.  Ignore all fan boys, and do a little research.  The ATI RX-470 and RX-480 are very good cards, and really good values.  The GTX1060 and GTX 1070 are also very good, although the 1070 is out of my price range.  I vowed 15 years ago to never spend more than $300 on a video card, and other than a horrid experiment in SLI I have kept that vow.  One thing to consider is according to most testing being done, ATI cards do much better with DX12 games (the immediate future for computer gaming) that the Nvidia cards.  That will probably change in the next generation of cards, but you are looking at the current generation.

    Category 2 would probably be OK with the video card and SSD update for a year or so, but as games get better (when we have Xbox Scorpio and PS4 Neo in full swing games will move forth strongly as far as looks and tech) even that 2nd gen i7 is going to start being long in the tooth.  This category MAY be a good one to consider an upgrade.  To upgrade to a 6th gen i7 will require a new motherboard and new memory, and since you are already looking at a new video card and an SSD, at that point you might as well just replace the whole thing.

    Category 3 would require a complete upgrade, as none of your current components other that the HDD as a 2nd drive are VR ready.

    So figure out which category or blend of categories you are in, and have fun!
    There is no point to upgrade for category 2 yet. With a good GFX card he will last 1-2 years even for them and it is better to wait for the rest unless OP really have loads of money burning holes in his pockets. Once he feels the upgraded computer is slow it would be time to get a new but I bet it would be 2 years more then one for that.

    VR is really the only reason to get a new computer but I think with a truly high end card that would work as upgraded as well (like a Titan or 1080 hydro copper card). 
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    GladDog said:
    Another thing to consider is that if you are upgrading and staying with it for a couple of years, look at last gen video cards.  The GTX970, GTX 980, R9-390X and ATI Fury X cards are all bargain basement priced, and would do very well with current and immediate next gen games.
    That is only worth it if OP get a real bargain on them and it isn' t often you can find those good enough to be worth it. But sure, if he can find a 980 for below $300 it might be worth it instead.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Well, given that the 1060 performs pretty much identical to the 980, and has 2G more RAM, for around $250 US, I wouldn't call a 980 for $300 a deal. Maybe a 980Ti for $300, which performs pretty much like a 1070, since the 1070's are running closer to $400.
  • ZethapetaZethapeta Member UncommonPosts: 28
    Thanks a lot for your ideas.
    I am gonna get a SSD drive (500gb) now, and  I will think about the card.
    I have the feeling that proccessors are gonna make a big change soon, looking at the new i7. So I will have to change the full PC in no more than 2 years.

    In the other hand, I can buy a graphic card now, and use for the next PC as well.




  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,993
    Zethapeta said:

    I have the feeling that proccessors are gonna make a big change soon, looking at the new i7. So I will have to change the full PC in no more than 2 years.
    ???

    Intel has already confirmed that it's next processors are another maybe 10% performance improvement compared to previous processors.

    There's small constant improvement, but I don't think there are any large processor performance leaps expected in the future.
     
  • ZethapetaZethapeta Member UncommonPosts: 28
    Vrika said:
    Zethapeta said:

    I have the feeling that proccessors are gonna make a big change soon, looking at the new i7. So I will have to change the full PC in no more than 2 years.
    ???

    Intel has already confirmed that it's next processors are another maybe 10% performance improvement compared to previous processors.

    There's small constant improvement, but I don't think there are any large processor performance leaps expected in the future.
    My predictions can be wrong :)

    But, Intel i7-6900K 3.2Ghz Box is a 8 core with 16 threads proccesor. Maybe it is not important for videogames, but it is a huge difference for 3D rendering.

  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    It took about 6 years for the 2nd gen i7 to be 'too slow' for a current process (VR), I would think a 6th gen should be fine for at least 5 years.  Intel is in no hurry to push the performance envelope, since they don't have much competition on the mid-range, much less the high end of CPU power.  Until AMD gets another Athlon style breakthrough, I would not expect Intel to be raising performance very quickly, or dropping the prices on the mid to high end CPUs very much.

    So even though I am an Intel guy (best friend works for them) I am rooting for a big surprise from AMD, the sooner the better!


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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited October 2016
    Zethapeta said:
    Vrika said:
    Zethapeta said:

    I have the feeling that proccessors are gonna make a big change soon, looking at the new i7. So I will have to change the full PC in no more than 2 years.
    ???

    Intel has already confirmed that it's next processors are another maybe 10% performance improvement compared to previous processors.

    There's small constant improvement, but I don't think there are any large processor performance leaps expected in the future.
    My predictions can be wrong :)

    But, Intel i7-6900K 3.2Ghz Box is a 8 core with 16 threads proccesor. Maybe it is not important for videogames, but it is a huge difference for 3D rendering.

    You can buy CPUs with much larger core counts than even that, if you want to - that isn't an advancement over anything that currently exists. The E7-8900 is a 24 core / 48 thread count chip that's shipping now, if that's all you care about.

    CPUs haven't changed a lot on the Intel side since Sandy Bridge (the Core 2xxx line) - all their R&D has gone into integrated graphics and power management.

    The only reason consumer core counts haven't gone up, is because nothing really takes advantage of them. Most consumers won't notice the difference between a dual core and a 4C/8T i7, let alone your 8C/16T that you talk about - simply because nothing really requires that much CPU muscle that a typical consumer does on a day to day basis. Even gaming is relatively light on CPU use, as it tends to skew much more toward GPU performance than CPU performance.

    Sure, 3D rendering might stress out a CPU, but a lot of that is GPU accelerated now, and if your a professional doing that for a living, your either going to have a large GPU farm or a large blade data center sitting behind you to do your rendering for you, it won't be done on the computer your playing MMOs and other games on.
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,993
    edited November 2016
    Zethapeta said:
    Vrika said:
    Zethapeta said:

    I have the feeling that proccessors are gonna make a big change soon, looking at the new i7. So I will have to change the full PC in no more than 2 years.
    ???

    Intel has already confirmed that it's next processors are another maybe 10% performance improvement compared to previous processors.

    There's small constant improvement, but I don't think there are any large processor performance leaps expected in the future.
    My predictions can be wrong :)

    But, Intel i7-6900K 3.2Ghz Box is a 8 core with 16 threads proccesor. Maybe it is not important for videogames, but it is a huge difference for 3D rendering.

    But if you think about that processor, shouldn't you compare it to similarly priced I7 5960X, which has also 8 cores and 16 threads?

    Also I7-6900K is out now, so I don't know how that qualifies as "big change soon". Any change to new computers it's going to make, it's already made.
     
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