Mmos are doing good.

Furh79

You hear a lot of doom and gloom on sites like this how mmo are in trouble and on the decline.  Sure a lot of people drink the kool-aid and want to jump on the bandwagon in an effort to appear part of the kool kids by complaining how bad everything this is.  

Unfortunately facts just are not on their side.  PC gaming is on a rise which includes mmos.  Mmos are moving to the consoles.  We have more choices then ever before.  It's all equals mmos are more accessible to more people and this is why we have so many mmos that are doing just fine contrary to what the kool kids want to tell us.  

There is one aspect that is a lot worse in mmos and that's the "players" that spam the game forums and sites like this with non stop crying about games they don't play or don't like.  Now if the industry could find away to get rid of these cancers it would be doing so much better. 

http://massivelyop.com/2016/10/19/trions-scott-hartsman-the-mmo-market-is-in-very-good-health/

SEANMCAD

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Furh79

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

SEANMCAD

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Furh79

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Let's clarify something here facts point to your "micro-universe" is not reality. 

Loke666

There are no western AAA in the making that we know of (unless Undead lab isn't still working on Class 4 but I doubt that). Wow, GW2, ESO, TOR and FFXIV are all dropping in profit.

Things are not really bad with MMOs right now, there are plenty of them and together they have many players and huge income but it is worrying that only South Korea, China and Japan seems to make AAA games, here we only get small indie and crowdfunded games.

Unless something happen and we get a few new AAA games the players will slowly drop of as the games get older and that isn't good at all.

It isn't time to say that the genre is dying or anything but neither are things as good as a few years back.

SEANMCAD

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Let's clarify something here facts point to your "micro-universe" is not reality. 

and exactly how would you know that exactly?

keep in mind I am not suggesting (like you) that I KNOW it reflects reality or not, I just THINK that it MIGHT
you however seem to KNOW that it doesnt, so I am going to have to ask you for evidence at this point

Furh79

Loke666 said:

There are no western AAA in the making that we know of (unless Undead lab isn't still working on Class 4 but I doubt that). Wow, GW2, ESO, TOR and FFXIV are all dropping in profit.

Things are not really bad with MMOs right now, there are plenty of them and together they have many players and huge income but it is worrying that only South Korea, China and Japan seems to make AAA games, here we only get small indie and crowdfunded games.

Unless something happen and we get a few new AAA games the players will slowly drop of as the games get older and that isn't good at all.

It isn't time to say that the genre is dying or anything but neither are things as good as a few years back.

Not sure where you got your info but since ESO went to consoles their player base and revenue has gone up.  There are reports WoW was over 10 million subs again, last year swtor stated their subs were up 39% when KOTFE released.  So again where did you get your info?  

anjealous82

I'd rather pay a subscription, than to get nickel and dime for every piece of content and fluff content a mmo has. Bad enough the age of DLC came along for regular games. But some people said they don't mind the bend over and cough method.

Furh79

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Let's clarify something here facts point to your "micro-universe" is not reality. 

and exactly how would you know that exactly?

keep in mind I am not suggesting (like you) that I KNOW it reflects reality or not, I just THINK that it MIGHT
you however seem to KNOW that it doesnt, so I am going to have to ask you for evidence at this point

I posted a link from a CEO that states mmos are doing good.  I posted FACTS to back up his comments and you in returned said my points were useless.  Based on the facts I posted and a CEO backing up what my facts point to I concluded your "micro-universe" is NOT reality.  It wasn't a personal shot don't get all offended if you want to disagree by all means bring some facts. 

SEANMCAD

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Let's clarify something here facts point to your "micro-universe" is not reality. 

and exactly how would you know that exactly?

keep in mind I am not suggesting (like you) that I KNOW it reflects reality or not, I just THINK that it MIGHT
you however seem to KNOW that it doesnt, so I am going to have to ask you for evidence at this point

I posted a link from a CEO that states mmos are doing good.  I posted FACTS to back up his comments and you in returned said my points were useless.  Based on the facts I posted and a CEO backing up what my facts point to I concluded your "micro-universe" is NOT reality.  It wasn't a personal shot don't get all offended if you want to disagree by all means bring some facts. 

1. 'MMOS doing good' is abstract. does that mean increase? does that means remaining steady? what does the CEO consider 'good'
2. your post is about PC games increasing and I have told you my story regarding that, EVERYONE i know that played MMOs have left MMOs to play private server games. I am not suggesting that I KNOW for a fact that this model is repeated but I am saying it clearlly illustrates how its possible to have PC gaming increase in users and sales while at the same time MMOs decline.

now, what the fuck does he mean EXACTLY by 'doing good'?

Furh79

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Let's clarify something here facts point to your "micro-universe" is not reality. 

and exactly how would you know that exactly?

keep in mind I am not suggesting (like you) that I KNOW it reflects reality or not, I just THINK that it MIGHT
you however seem to KNOW that it doesnt, so I am going to have to ask you for evidence at this point

I posted a link from a CEO that states mmos are doing good.  I posted FACTS to back up his comments and you in returned said my points were useless.  Based on the facts I posted and a CEO backing up what my facts point to I concluded your "micro-universe" is NOT reality.  It wasn't a personal shot don't get all offended if you want to disagree by all means bring some facts. 

1. 'MMOS doing good' is abstract. does that mean increase? does that means remaining steady? what does the CEO consider 'good'
2. your post is about PC games increasing and I have told you my story regarding that, EVERYONE i know that played MMOs have left MMOs to play private server games. I am not suggesting that I KNOW for a fact that this model is repeated but I am saying it clearlly illustrates how its possible to have PC gaming increase in users and sales while at the same time MMOs decline.

now, what the fuck does he mean EXACTLY by 'doing good'?

Umm did you stop reading after my first point?  My post was not about "PC games are increasing" yes it's part of it but you clearly missed two other points that are just as equally important to the discussion.  

Aside: Everyone I know likes Hockey therefore nobody likes basketball (using your logic here)

SEANMCAD

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Let's clarify something here facts point to your "micro-universe" is not reality. 

and exactly how would you know that exactly?

keep in mind I am not suggesting (like you) that I KNOW it reflects reality or not, I just THINK that it MIGHT
you however seem to KNOW that it doesnt, so I am going to have to ask you for evidence at this point

I posted a link from a CEO that states mmos are doing good.  I posted FACTS to back up his comments and you in returned said my points were useless.  Based on the facts I posted and a CEO backing up what my facts point to I concluded your "micro-universe" is NOT reality.  It wasn't a personal shot don't get all offended if you want to disagree by all means bring some facts. 

1. 'MMOS doing good' is abstract. does that mean increase? does that means remaining steady? what does the CEO consider 'good'
2. your post is about PC games increasing and I have told you my story regarding that, EVERYONE i know that played MMOs have left MMOs to play private server games. I am not suggesting that I KNOW for a fact that this model is repeated but I am saying it clearlly illustrates how its possible to have PC gaming increase in users and sales while at the same time MMOs decline.

now, what the fuck does he mean EXACTLY by 'doing good'?

Umm did you stop reading after my first point?  My post was not about "PC games are increasing" yes it's part of it but you clearly missed two other points that are just as equally important to the discussion.  

Aside: Everyone I know likes Hockey therefore nobody likes basketball (using your logic here)

1. I read the article you linked and it read to me like the CEO was bullshiting people. If there was an increase in players he would have given numbers he didnt. instead he gave an abstract statement 'doing well' which in the context of what we are talking about could mean a lot of different things not even related to population increase.

2. I am simply telling you point blank that PC sales going up is not going to translate to more MMO players peroid, end of story just accept it. change the OP if you dont want to be hassled on that point but I am not changing my point on that for reasons not even related to that point I just made!

Furh79

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

PC games are absolutly on the rise and last year I believe they had more players AND more net income then both mobile and consoles.

However, it doesnt mean MMOs are not in decline. I dont have the numbers on this only my micro-universe and in my micro-universe all the peeps I know that used to play MMOs are now playing private server games.

aka Wurm Unlimited as one example

Well in my "micro-universe" most people I played mmos with back in the day are now playing the with their kids.  Granted like the article said we don't do the marothon sessions anymore but we haven't stopped playing just added another generation. 

my micro-experience illustrates this.

its completely possible for PC gaming to increase even dramatically and have MMO player base decline dramatically at the same time (and incidently I think it is exactly what is going on)

So your datapoint is useless

Let's clarify something here facts point to your "micro-universe" is not reality. 

and exactly how would you know that exactly?

keep in mind I am not suggesting (like you) that I KNOW it reflects reality or not, I just THINK that it MIGHT
you however seem to KNOW that it doesnt, so I am going to have to ask you for evidence at this point

I posted a link from a CEO that states mmos are doing good.  I posted FACTS to back up his comments and you in returned said my points were useless.  Based on the facts I posted and a CEO backing up what my facts point to I concluded your "micro-universe" is NOT reality.  It wasn't a personal shot don't get all offended if you want to disagree by all means bring some facts. 

1. 'MMOS doing good' is abstract. does that mean increase? does that means remaining steady? what does the CEO consider 'good'
2. your post is about PC games increasing and I have told you my story regarding that, EVERYONE i know that played MMOs have left MMOs to play private server games. I am not suggesting that I KNOW for a fact that this model is repeated but I am saying it clearlly illustrates how its possible to have PC gaming increase in users and sales while at the same time MMOs decline.

now, what the fuck does he mean EXACTLY by 'doing good'?

Umm did you stop reading after my first point?  My post was not about "PC games are increasing" yes it's part of it but you clearly missed two other points that are just as equally important to the discussion.  

Aside: Everyone I know likes Hockey therefore nobody likes basketball (using your logic here)

1. I read the article you linked and it read to me like the CEO was bullshiting people. If there was an increase in players he would have given numbers he didnt. instead he gave an abstract statement 'doing well' which in the context of what we are talking about could mean a lot of different things not even related to population increase.

2. I am simply telling you point blank that PC sales going up is not going to translate to more MMO players peroid, end of story just accept it. change the OP if you dont want to be hassled on that point but I am not changing my point on that for reasons not even related to that point I just made!

Haha such hostility.  No I'm not going to change the OP because you disagree with it.  Like I said your "micro-universe" is not reality.  See In reality where we are right now just because you disagree with something based on your own sheltered world doesn't mean it's accurate and any information that doesn't agree with your alternative universe should be removed.  Now if this post is hard for you then don't read it, it's that simple. 

Burntvet

The OP should tell that to all the companies that have gone under, been sold, or no longer make MMOs any more.

I am sure that would be comforting to all of those fired devs.

"Nevermind your company getting sold, and you getting laid off because the company is downsizing due to low revenue, the MMO business is great! Don't you feel better?"

SEANMCAD

Furh79 said:

1. I read the article you linked and it read to me like the CEO was bullshiting people. If there was an increase in players he would have given numbers he didnt. instead he gave an abstract statement 'doing well' which in the context of what we are talking about could mean a lot of different things not even related to population increase.

2. I am simply telling you point blank that PC sales going up is not going to translate to more MMO players peroid, end of story just accept it. change the OP if you dont want to be hassled on that point but I am not changing my point on that for reasons not even related to that point I just made!

Haha such hostility.  No I'm not going to change the OP because you disagree with it.  Like I said your "micro-universe" is not reality.  See In reality where we are right now just because you disagree with something based on your own sheltered world doesn't mean it's accurate and any information that doesn't agree with your alternative universe should be removed.  Now if this post is hard for you then don't read it, it's that simple. 

I state again.

1. I stated that it appears that it MIGHT
2. YOU stated that it isnt.

You are stating a fact
I am stating a possibllity

because you are stating a fact, I need you to provide evidence on your stated claim.

I am not addressing your overall conclusion, I am not addressing other itesm, I am not addressing the weather, or any other random unrelated datapoints I am ONLY addressing ONE data point here. That its possible (possible does not mean factual it means possible) that PC sales can be up while MMOs subs down. So on that ONE DATAPOINT you are providing I am confronting you on.

Furh79

Burntvet said:

The OP should tell that to all the companies that have gone under, been sold, or no longer make MMOs any more.

I am sure that would be comforting to all of those fired devs.

Like SOE and swg?  Yep when you aren't a good company and make bad games you fail.  What other mmos and companies are you referring to?

Furh79

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

1. I read the article you linked and it read to me like the CEO was bullshiting people. If there was an increase in players he would have given numbers he didnt. instead he gave an abstract statement 'doing well' which in the context of what we are talking about could mean a lot of different things not even related to population increase.

2. I am simply telling you point blank that PC sales going up is not going to translate to more MMO players peroid, end of story just accept it. change the OP if you dont want to be hassled on that point but I am not changing my point on that for reasons not even related to that point I just made!

Haha such hostility.  No I'm not going to change the OP because you disagree with it.  Like I said your "micro-universe" is not reality.  See In reality where we are right now just because you disagree with something based on your own sheltered world doesn't mean it's accurate and any information that doesn't agree with your alternative universe should be removed.  Now if this post is hard for you then don't read it, it's that simple. 

I state again.

1. I stated that it appears that it MIGHT
2. YOU stated that it isnt.

You are stating a fact
I am stating a possibllity

because you are stating a fact, I need you to provide evidence on your stated claim.

I am not addressing your overall conclusion, I am not addressing other itesm, I am not addressing the weather, or any other random unrelated datapoints I am ONLY addressing ONE data point here. That its possible (possible does not mean factual it means possible) that PC sales can be up while MMOs subs down. So on that ONE DATAPOINT you are providing I am confronting you on.

Why are you stuck on one datapoint when there are multiple points.  Alone you are correct that one datapoint doesn't stand alone but it's does when you combine it with my other points which you continue to avoid.  

And no you didnt say MIGHT you said they are useless which they are not. 

Its a pretty simple concept to follow.  IF PC gaming is up THEN its fair to say ALL gaming genres are up that use PC gaming.  Unless besides your "micro-universe " you have facts to say otherwise.

Kyleran

MMOs might be on the rise but we could thrash for days on end what the proper definition of what that term means.

AAA virtual world MMORPGs are clearly in decline which Trion, Blizzard and other devs have clearly acknowledged by the types of games they focus on delivering these days.

I can't argue there's not more MMOs than ever to play, but I don't want any part of them.

I'm not interested in the "short play time" design, which is why I and others are supporting the many indie titles which promise to bring back a more...engaging experience.

So at the end of the day neither camp is wrong in their assertions, they just aren't talking about the same style of games 

Furh79

Kyleran said:

MMOs might be on the rise but we could thrash for days on end what the proper definition of what that term means.

AAA virtual world MMORPGs are clearly in decline which Trion, Blizzard and other devs have clearly acknowledged by the types of games they focus on delivering these days.

I can't argue there's not more MMOs than ever to play, but I don't want any part of them.

I'm not interested in the "short play time" design, which is why I and others are supporting the many indie titles which promise to bring back a more...engaging experience.

So at the end of the day neither camp is wrong in their assertions, they just aren't talking about the same style of games 

This is a very fair comment. 

SEANMCAD

Furh79 said:

Why are you stuck on one datapoint when there are multiple points.  Alone you are correct that one datapoint doesn't stand alone but it's does when you combine it with my other points which you continue to avoid.  

And no you didnt say MIGHT you said they are useless which they are not. 

Its a pretty simple concept to follow.  IF PC gaming is up THEN its fair to say ALL gaming genres are up that use PC gaming.  Unless besides your "micro-universe " you have facts to say otherwise.

let me provide you an example:

Poster 1: 'the car goes super fast and is likely the best car out there based on these links and the color of the car is green'
Poster 2: 'umm the color of the car is not green'
Poster 1: 'why are you arguing with me clearly the color is green becuase of everything else I have said'

I am just letting you know that you made a comment with an incorrect conclusion to that part of the comment (the color is green) that I am addressing. I am sorry but I am not lettting that go, if you focus on my example you will see how unreasonable you are being

increase in PC sales does not mean an increase in MMO players...FULL STOP, no hidden agenda, no other meaning, just that statement FULL FUCKING STOP.

Furh79

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

Why are you stuck on one datapoint when there are multiple points.  Alone you are correct that one datapoint doesn't stand alone but it's does when you combine it with my other points which you continue to avoid.  

And no you didnt say MIGHT you said they are useless which they are not. 

Its a pretty simple concept to follow.  IF PC gaming is up THEN its fair to say ALL gaming genres are up that use PC gaming.  Unless besides your "micro-universe " you have facts to say otherwise.

increase in PC sales does not mean an increase in MMO players...FULL STOP, no hidden agenda, no other meaning, just that statement FULL FUCKING STOP.

Wait so now you are saying it doesn't mean that even though you have no proof.  Your last post said you said MIGHT NOT but now the more you obviously get worked up over this you are changing your tune. 

The only FULL FUCKING STOP is having a conversation with a person who thinks his "micro-universe" is the one and only opinion that matters and demands others change their opinion if it doesn't fit in their alternate  universe.  It's sad a video game forum needs to teach you how the real world works maybe someday when to grow up and don't let a conversation about video games get you so worked up you will put this life lesson to use...good luck 

Jessilly

Furh79 said:

Loke666 said:

There are no western AAA in the making that we know of (unless Undead lab isn't still working on Class 4 but I doubt that). Wow, GW2, ESO, TOR and FFXIV are all dropping in profit.

Things are not really bad with MMOs right now, there are plenty of them and together they have many players and huge income but it is worrying that only South Korea, China and Japan seems to make AAA games, here we only get small indie and crowdfunded games.

Unless something happen and we get a few new AAA games the players will slowly drop of as the games get older and that isn't good at all.

It isn't time to say that the genre is dying or anything but neither are things as good as a few years back.

Not sure where you got your info but since ESO went to consoles their player base and revenue has gone up.  There are reports WoW was over 10 million subs again, last year swtor stated their subs were up 39% when KOTFE released.  So again where did you get your info?  

Please stop repeating this nonsense about WoW having 10 millions subs, Blizz themselves said it was a misquote. And yeah, swtor subs probably went up when they released an expansion, that happens with very MMO. You get a bump when an expansion is released then the numbers fall back down again.

SEANMCAD

Furh79 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Furh79 said:

Why are you stuck on one datapoint when there are multiple points.  Alone you are correct that one datapoint doesn't stand alone but it's does when you combine it with my other points which you continue to avoid.  

And no you didnt say MIGHT you said they are useless which they are not. 

Its a pretty simple concept to follow.  IF PC gaming is up THEN its fair to say ALL gaming genres are up that use PC gaming.  Unless besides your "micro-universe " you have facts to say otherwise.

increase in PC sales does not mean an increase in MMO players...FULL STOP, no hidden agenda, no other meaning, just that statement FULL FUCKING STOP.

Wait so now you are saying it doesn't mean that even though you have no proof.  Your last post said you said MIGHT NOT but now the more you obviously get worked up over this you are changing your tune. 

The only FULL FUCKING STOP is having a conversation with a person who thinks his "micro-universe" is the one and only opinion that matters and demands others change their opinion if it doesn't fit in their alternate  universe.  It's sad a video game very needs to teach you how the real world works maybe someday when to grow up and don't let a conversation about video games get you so worked up you will put this life lesson to use...good luck 

again.

1. YOU (not me) are the one who is making a claim of a fact. I am making a claim of POSSIBLE...possible does not mean fact.
2. I am stating that it is possible for PC sales to increase while MMO users fall. I am NOT saying its a fact I am saying its POSSIBLE. I am also not linking that statement into other conclusions or suggestions, just that statement in of itself peroid full stop.

This is the last time I explain this to you.

do not interject other meanings ,remove and add other words to this phrase exactly word for word.


'it is possible for PC sales to increase while MMO users fall.'

anything that falls outside of those words exactly in bold are not in reference here. key word is POSSIBLE

This is the last time I explain this to you, goodbye

Furh79

Jessilly said:

Furh79 said:

Loke666 said:

There are no western AAA in the making that we know of (unless Undead lab isn't still working on Class 4 but I doubt that). Wow, GW2, ESO, TOR and FFXIV are all dropping in profit.

Things are not really bad with MMOs right now, there are plenty of them and together they have many players and huge income but it is worrying that only South Korea, China and Japan seems to make AAA games, here we only get small indie and crowdfunded games.

Unless something happen and we get a few new AAA games the players will slowly drop of as the games get older and that isn't good at all.

It isn't time to say that the genre is dying or anything but neither are things as good as a few years back.

Not sure where you got your info but since ESO went to consoles their player base and revenue has gone up.  There are reports WoW was over 10 million subs again, last year swtor stated their subs were up 39% when KOTFE released.  So again where did you get your info?  

Please stop repeating this nonsense about WoW having 10 millions subs, Blizz themselves said it was a misquote. And yeah, swtor subs probably went up when they released an expansion, that happens with very MMO. You get a bump when an expansion is released then the numbers fall back down again.

Please stop stalking me it's rather weird.  Listen you don't like facts we get it.  Incase you have reading comprehension problems let me help you out.  I didn't  say WoW was over 10m I said there were reports which said they  were. Yes they came out and clarified but they also never stated what they were
.  They clarified because it's policy to not report anymore.  

Burntvet

Furh79 said:

Burntvet said:

The OP should tell that to all the companies that have gone under, been sold, or no longer make MMOs any more.

I am sure that would be comforting to all of those fired devs.

Like SOE and swg?  Yep when you aren't a good company and make bad games you fail.  What other mmos and companies are you referring to?

"Like" the list is long, here are a very few examples off the top of my head...

Funcom is not making any more MMOs, is looking for a buyer and will be bankrupt if it does not get more financing in the next 6 months...

Turbine has had 3 large rounds of layoffs, is not making MMOs any more and is "transitioning to become a mobile games studio" accord to press reports.

Cryptic sold to the Chinese after Atari went bankrupt ish.

A russian VC firm buying SOE, firing 2/3 of the company and putting most of their games on limited development...

Big layoffs in NCwest/Carbine games, saying they are moving into mobile gaming....


(And that is not counting the canceled games from Blizzard, CCP, and others.)

And all of that in the last couple years.....

You can think what you want, but you can't have your own facts.....