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  • mentinmentin Member UncommonPosts: 35
    I don´t know how to explain myself better. I am handicaped not being an english spoken native.

    Anyway my point was and is that you shouldn´t spoke to people like that and people shouldn´t either be treated that way.

    Even if it´s a private server. 

    This is the cancer of social media nowadays: lack of respect and dignity.

    If some of you refuse to see such behaviors as a bad thing be ready to meet real life soon, you will be amaze.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    mentin said:
    This is the definition of bullying.
    No, that is unprofessionalism.

    Their server, their rules(attitude).
  • mentinmentin Member UncommonPosts: 35
    Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuseintimidate, or aggressively dominate others.

    They are intimidating also threating.

    It´s not their first time nor will be the last.

    I remenber when they called the playerbase "pussies" for not playing the way they think rvr should be played.







  • vonryan123vonryan123 Member UncommonPosts: 516
    Thanks I never knew this emu was running I am now playing WAR again and I miss it.....as to your op.....I can see where they are sick of being bad mouthed....I'm not saying they handled it the way I would have but hey I get to play WAR again.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    mentin said:
    Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuseintimidate, or aggressively dominate others.

    They are intimidating also threating.

    It´s not their first time nor will be the last.

    I remenber when they called the playerbase "pussies" for not playing the way they think rvr should be played.
    Sure, none of that applies tho. No one forces or threatens you to play on their server...
  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605
    Honestly I wish all MMOs were handled like this. There'd be less room for angry self entitled little gits clogging up the forums with their nonsense.
    I've been playing on this server for a year now and I've never been bullied, manipulated or lied to.
    Players who get shit from the devs must deserve it.
  • mentinmentin Member UncommonPosts: 35
    edited November 2016
    Scambug said:
    Honestly I wish all MMOs were handled like this. There'd be less room for angry self entitled little gits clogging up the forums with their nonsense.
    I've been playing on this server for a year now and I've never been bullied, manipulated or lied to.
    Players who get shit from the devs must deserve it.
    So.... All players deserve shit? cos that news was addressed to ALL PLAYERBASE
    Gdemami said:
    mentin said:
    Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuseintimidate, or aggressively dominate others.

    They are intimidating also threating.

    It´s not their first time nor will be the last.

    I remenber when they called the playerbase "pussies" for not playing the way they think rvr should be played.
    Sure, none of that applies tho. No one forces or threatens you to play on their server...
    It applies ofc you obviously have no Idea what you are saying.


  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605
    mentin said:
    So.... All players deserve shit? cos that news was addressed to ALL PLAYERBASE


    He writes:
    "I would appreciate it if certain people who don't have the slightest clue of the intent of the team would stop spreading their assumptions"
    How is "certain people" the entire player base? I don't feel targeted by this message at all.

  • mentinmentin Member UncommonPosts: 35
    edited November 2016
    Scambug said:
    mentin said:
    So.... All players deserve shit? cos that news was addressed to ALL PLAYERBASE


    He writes:
    "I would appreciate it if certain people who don't have the slightest clue of the intent of the team would stop spreading their assumptions"
    How is "certain people" the entire player base? I don't feel targeted by this message at all.

    You have a point.

    But it´s a case of "read between the lines" Typical bully behaviour. Don´t you dare to give me problems kid.

    If you followed last days their forum, you didn´t see any big issues or discrepancies.

    It´s a clarion call. I wish to know who "certain people" are. 

    "The staff don't care what you think general development priorities should be. The staff don't care whether you think new features are being introduced before old ones are fixed."

    They are changing lately so much things, mechanics, classes etc that players are expressing their doubts, but again:

    "Do you have the right to complain that we experiment with such changes?

    No."

    There are plenty of examples. 

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,053
    edited November 2016
    mentin said:
    "I would appreciate it if certain people who don't have the slightest clue of the intent of the team would stop spreading their assumptions in order to cause community problems and negativity. You're not in the team - you don't know what's going to be done - so don't act as if you do, and don't even think about causing problems for me based on your own assumptions and nothing more. As you can probably tell from me mentioning this yet again, I find your behaviour absolutely appalling, and it will not be forgiven in future."

    This is the definition of bullying.


    As you stated, English is not your primary language and you are not quite understanding some of the subtleties of this message.

    It's addressed to "certain people," not everyone.

    It states a fact, these certain people do not know the intent of the dev team as they are not part of it.  

    Said team is under no obligation to share their intent, whether or not you pay them for it.

    Apparently these certain people are spreading their assumptions based on ignorance (or outright lying) of the real situation and its causing upset with the greater community.

    More so, it is implied these certain people have threatened to cause trouble for the owners (which is where the real cyber bullying is happening) and he is cautioning them not to try.

    Finally it appears this has come up before, making him once again repeat the same message which he is a bit taken aback that he should have to do so once again. 

    They have their reasons for making the decisions they do.  They don't have to explain themselves, listen to endless criticism on issues they've put to bed and the great thing about being King is....you make all the rules and can say "off with their heads"

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  • Abuz0rAbuz0r Member UncommonPosts: 550
    The fact that the person is running an illegal server establishes them as a criminal.  I don't know what you expect.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,803
    mentin said:
    "I would appreciate it if certain people who don't have the slightest clue of the intent of the team would stop spreading their assumptions in order to cause community problems and negativity. You're not in the team - you don't know what's going to be done - so don't act as if you do, and don't even think about causing problems for me based on your own assumptions and nothing more. As you can probably tell from me mentioning this yet again, I find your behaviour absolutely appalling, and it will not be forgiven in future."

    This is the definition of bullying.


    I think you have no idea what bullying even means.

    I have been a GM on another game for years and the amount of bullshit I got for doing my job was insane.
    So I did the same as the owner of this server: I told people to keep their speculations and bullshit to themselves or else they will get a ban.

    You know - no one is forcing you to play on a server which is run by fans for free.
    If you don't feel valued for your "input" then just leave.
    Harbinger of Fools
  • donger56donger56 Member RarePosts: 443
    Private servers are generally garbage. The idea that you can just take someone elses game and run it on your own server with your own rules is nonsense. I guess some people have such an amazing sense of entitlement that they think this is ok, but they usually get a wake up call when it gets shut down. There are a few private servers running games that no longer exist, but if you are playing a private server version of a live game, then you really have nothing to complain about. This is like complaining that the heroine you bought on the street corner is not strong enough or that the stolen TV you bought was broken, or that the pirated dvd you bought had bad sound quality. If you had any sense, you wouldn't be on a private server to start with or at least understand that it is not a legit service so you have nothing to complain about. 
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited November 2016
    mentin said:
    It applies ofc you obviously have no Idea what you are saying.
      Have I? You are the one who thinks he deserves anything...
  • Angier2758Angier2758 Member UncommonPosts: 1,026
    OP... it's their server that you play on for free.  You are basically arguing that "it's unfair that someone said something mean to me on their property while I eat their food".

    If you don't like it... tough.  There's no argument... because it doesn't matter that it's unfair.  It's like whining that your mom made you go to bed at 8PM when you were little.  She was such a dictator! 

    That's how completely silly this post sounds.


  • BarbieBoyBarbieBoy Member UncommonPosts: 85
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
  • BarbieBoyBarbieBoy Member UncommonPosts: 85
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    As I said, it is not their IP. That alone makes it an illegal operation.

    Then we can add all the other reasons I already mentioned, like reverse engineering proprietary codes, using the assets that is owned by EA and Warhammer, and so on and so forth.

    It does not matter whether the servers are long dead (which I already said too), if you don't own the IP, the assets, the rights, the proprietary code, you are operating illegally.

    Unless EA released the code under the public domain or some FOSS license, which, I have not heard, otherwise, it would have been a news bomb in the FOSS gaming community (like how iDsoftware did for their codes and other similar companies).

    And EA? I highly doubt they will release their proprietary code. EA is Evil Arts. Who doesn't know about them and their history? Yes, the code is owned by Mythic Entertainment, but EA bought Mythic, so EA owns the code. It is proprietary.

    Last if not the least, EA being silent does not mean private servers are not violating laws. They just don't see making money off them at the moment. So unless there's an official statement from EA and Warhammer that private servers can operate their IP as long as they don't charge or ask for donations, then they're illegal.

  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Nope .. Wayyy to many legal loopholes for them to shut it down , without opening a server ,People do have right to access and use the product they bought ... And i will also gaurantee you that EA has no interest in War at all .. And at this time EA are the only ones that can say it is illegal ,(and they dont) they are aware of it and have no interest in shutting it down ...
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    Nope.

    Copyright protection stays in effect whether you use copyrighted work or not. I think going by USA law, copyright for Warhammer Online is 120 years after publication, which means until end of 2128.

    Trademark protection for Warhammer may end if it's not actively used, but as long as Warhammer trademark is still used that's not going to happen.


    You may be able to run Warhammer Online server because the copyright and trademark holders do not care, but that's still illegal.
     
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Vrika said:
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    Nope.

    Copyright protection stays in effect whether you use copyrighted work or not. I think going by USA law, copyright for Warhammer Online is 120 years after publication, which means until end of 2128.

    Trademark protection for Warhammer may end if it's not actively used, but as long as Warhammer trademark is still used that's not going to happen.


    You may be able to run Warhammer Online server because the copyright and trademark holders do not care, but that's still illegal.
    again , its only illegal if they say so ... Noone else.. They are aware of it , And Dont care and dont say its Illegal , Matter a fact this site doesnt recognize(nor any other site) it as illegal either , Or you would not be able to discuss it openly .... Its not for you or any other forum monkey to claim something you have no ownership to as illegal ......Its like some random guy parking in your neighbors driveway , and you saying Hey thats illegal , But if the neighbor doesnt care or claim it illegal Its not .. Its his driveway afterall
  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,150
    I think the fact that it is a private server and the guy is asking them to stop rather than already having banned them just shows a level of composure and professionalism that isn't required.

    If people are commenting on things they don't know about. . repeatedly to stir crap up then I don't see the issue with the wording.  It was a little stronger than it needed to be but if they get the boot after reading that. . it is their own problem.  If your not paying and enjoying something for free that someone else is working hard on leave sensible feedback. . or don't.  Keep playing or don't.  I don't think any player is owed anything in this situation.

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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    edited November 2016
    Scorchien said:
    Vrika said:
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    Nope.

    Copyright protection stays in effect whether you use copyrighted work or not. I think going by USA law, copyright for Warhammer Online is 120 years after publication, which means until end of 2128.

    Trademark protection for Warhammer may end if it's not actively used, but as long as Warhammer trademark is still used that's not going to happen.


    You may be able to run Warhammer Online server because the copyright and trademark holders do not care, but that's still illegal.
    again , its only illegal if they say so ... Noone else.. They are aware of it , And Dont care and dont say its Illegal , Matter a fact this site doesnt recognize(nor any other site) it as illegal either , Or you would not be able to discuss it openly .... Its not for you or any other forum monkey to claim something you have no ownership to as illegal ......Its like some random guy parking in your neighbors driveway , and you saying Hey thats illegal , But if the neighbor doesnt care or claim it illegal Its not .. Its his driveway afterall
    No. You don't know the difference between law, and enforcement of law.

    Using someone's copyrighted material, or parking on someone else's property, is usually illegal.

    A person asking you to stop, a person taking you to court over it, even a court giving judgement do not normally make something illegal. They are only enforcing laws and legal rights, and acting because the action you took was illegal in the first place.

    Think of it like speeding: If you speed with a car, it's illegal. Sometimes the cops will stop you and fine you, most of the times no-one will notice and act against you, but in no case is speeding with a car legal. And you're able to have things like illegal private servers much for the same reason you're able to speed in some nearly deserted roads: Often your actions are so inconsequential that no-one gives a fuck even if you're breaking a law.

    That doesn't make it legal. It just shows that no-one cares enough to stop you.
     
  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 566
    If I ran my own private server, I would do what I want.  Scorchien said:
    Vrika said:
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    Nope.

    Copyright protection stays in effect whether you use copyrighted work or not. I think going by USA law, copyright for Warhammer Online is 120 years after publication, which means until end of 2128.

    Trademark protection for Warhammer may end if it's not actively used, but as long as Warhammer trademark is still used that's not going to happen.


    You may be able to run Warhammer Online server because the copyright and trademark holders do not care, but that's still illegal.
    again , its only illegal if they say so ... Noone else.. They are aware of it , And Dont care and dont say its Illegal , Matter a fact this site doesnt recognize(nor any other site) it as illegal either , Or you would not be able to discuss it openly .... Its not for you or any other forum monkey to claim something you have no ownership to as illegal ......Its like some random guy parking in your neighbors driveway , and you saying Hey thats illegal , But if the neighbor doesnt care or claim it illegal Its not .. Its his driveway afterall
    I don't think that's really how law works...  What you're referencing is an entities choice on pursuing litigation.  The loophole here being that the entity itself may not be in a position to make a choice.  

    As you say, just because some forum monkey claims something isn't illegal doesn't make it so.  It's too complicated for laymen like us to know for certain.  It's why we have law degrees and legal departments.
  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 566
    If I ran my own private server I'd do what I want.  I'm not providing a professional service and I'm not a charity.  Anyone that expects more, takes advantage, or causes me a remote amount of grief would be silenced.

    Tyranny... You're a guest in someone else's home and nothing more.
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