[Albion Online] You know it's gone be shit when:

Ceironx

Scorchien

A Supreme Intellect will be arriving to set you back on the path infidel..

Ceironx

Scorchien said:

A Supreme Intellect will be arriving to set you back on the path infidel..

Too bad these supreme intellectuel people tend to fall prey to these money grab games. Their IQ must have surpassed the level of humanity which made them ignorant of how greedy humans are.

Nasa

déjà vu

Blackboa

@Ceironx , the supreme intellect has arrived.  @Scorchien was correct for once.

Premium status is not a money grab.  If you actually knew what you were talking about you would know this.  

Albion is a buy to play game.  When you buy the game, you start out with at a minimum a month worth of premium service.  At the end of the month, you can choose to either renew your premium service or not.  Either way, you can continue to play the game.

The great part about Albion is however that it is very easy to renew your premium service.  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY GOLD from their shop in order to renew the premium service.  You can renew the premium service with in game silver which is very easy to accumulate and make [mod edit]

So in conclusion, premium service is easy to get with in game currency and once you buy Albion once, you will never have to purchase gold from a cash shop ever again.

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

Tiamat64

Blackboa said:

@Ceironx , the supreme intellect has arrived.  @Scorchien was correct for once.

Premium status is not a money grab.  If you actually knew what you were talking about you would know this.  

Albion is a buy to play game.  When you buy the game, you start out with at a minimum a month worth of premium service.  At the end of the month, you can choose to either renew your premium service or not.  Either way, you can continue to play the game.

The great part about Albion is however that it is very easy to renew your premium service.  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY GOLD from their shop in order to renew the premium service.  You can renew the premium service with in game silver which is very easy to accumulate and make [mod edit]

So in conclusion, premium service is easy to get with in game currency and once you buy Albion once, you will never have to purchase gold from a cash shop ever again.

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

Let's say Albion is not a pay-to-win game, hypothetically (whether it actually is or not doesn't matter for the sake of what I'm posting here)

Assuming Albion is NOT a pay-to-win game, it makes that page in the topic starter post really funny.  The developers are basically claiming it's a pay-to-win ("pay-to-win" being "pay-to-advantage" in this context) game by saying "Get an edge over your competition", even though it (assumedly hypothetically) is not.

That's a cute way for them to attempt to get whales to spend money on the game if that's the case.  Also kind of self-sabotaging too in that they're basically saying their game is pay-to-win even though it isn't, which could turn off some of their primary prospective playerbase.  I wonder if whoever wrote that Albion webpage blurb took into consideration and weighed the advantages vs disadvantages of attempting to attract players with "Pay us to get an edge over your competition!" vs "This website says the game is pay-to-win. I'll pass."

Blackboa

@Tiamat64 if we are talking about semantics, then you might be on to something.  But if you look at the game and you know anything about it, you should know that everything in game is crafted by the players. If you look at their cash shop, you cannot purchase any over powered items that are only available on the cash shop.

My definition of pay to win is that you can purchase something that is not accessible by simply playing the game.  With this definition, Albion Online is not pay to win.

But perhaps you should or I should send Albion an email to point out that some people who read that portion of their premium service assume that the game is Pay to Win, which is good feedback.

Knowing the truth now, I think we can all agree though that Albion Online is not a Pay to Win game.

Ceironx

Blackboa said:

@Ceironx , the supreme intellect has arrived.  @Scorchien was correct for once.

Premium status is not a money grab.  If you actually knew what you were talking about you would know this.  

Albion is a buy to play game.  When you buy the game, you start out with at a minimum a month worth of premium service.  At the end of the month, you can choose to either renew your premium service or not.  Either way, you can continue to play the game.

The great part about Albion is however that it is very easy to renew your premium service.  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY GOLD from their shop in order to renew the premium service.  You can renew the premium service with in game silver which is very easy to accumulate and make [mod edit]

So in conclusion, premium service is easy to get with in game currency and once you buy Albion once, you will never have to purchase gold from a cash shop ever again.

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

[mod edit] Such features will cause a heavy inflation. Just look at WoW with their WoW tokens and garrisons. Gold loses its value and these tokens become more and more pricy. And because the economy of AO is player-driven, it will surely lead to opening your wallet more and more. Because the more people sell these premium status points the more its price will increase and the less the silver you have will be worth. 

[mod edit]

Blackboa

@Ceironx that is simply not true.  Guess what happens when items are too overpriced...people begin to craft them themselves.  The economy will remain balanced because ultimately individuals can simply train their characters to gather or craft the required items and materials if they find that people are taking advantage of a particular market.  So you as well are completely neglecting the supply and demand curve.  Everything eventually comes to equilibrium my friend.  So don't tell me I don't know economics.

In a game like WOW where Mobs drop the majority of the items, your statement might be true, but in a FULL LOOT PVP game like Albion Online, it just won't work that way.  Re-gearing in Albion is inherently easier than if WOW was a full loot pvp game and you lost everything each time you died.

So again, I challenge you to actually play the game for a while instead of copying and pasting a screenshot when it is clear you do not know enough about the game [mod edit]

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

Quizzical

So basically, you're not a fan of game subscriptions?  What do you think they should sell, then?

Scorchien

 I wonder how many people you have actually put off of Albion today ... lmfao

Ceironx

Blackboa said:

@Ceironx that is simply not true.  Guess what happens when items are too overpriced...people begin to craft them themselves.  The economy will remain balanced because ultimately individuals can simply train their characters to gather or craft the required items and materials if they find that people are taking advantage of a particular market.  So you as well are completely neglecting the supply and demand curve.  Everything eventually comes to equilibrium my friend.  So don't tell me I don't know economics.

In a game like WOW where Mobs drop the majority of the items, your statement might be true, but in a FULL LOOT PVP game like Albion Online, it just won't work that way.  Re-gearing in Albion is inherently easier than if WOW was a full loot pvp game and you lost everything each time you died.

So again, I challenge you to actually play the game for a while instead of copying and pasting a screenshot when it is clear you do not know enough about the game [mod edit]

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

You are not coming with facts. You have created an utopia for yourself and fanboying for a companies game that you have only played for a couple months during a beta/alpha phase.

You have to look at the situation at hand like this:

Today the Dollar(US) is increasing by value. What does that mean for Europe, what does that mean for mexica lastly what does that mean for Turkey. Especially Turkey in this case is in financial crisis because of the inflation within the country that was created by using Dollar as a currency to buy and trade most supplies. When you look at the present situation of the world, you can see how a currency from the outside world can completely change the economy of a country that HAS to use that currency and trade with it.

The Silver in this case will lose its worth every single day, while the premium points' worth will increase every single day. The gab increased by this will be impossible to fill with trivial things like FULL LOOOTT PPVP LGGI OMG YES SO COOL. Guess what happens when someone decides to fund a guild with real money and reaches a complete roster of max geared characters. What happens to that FULL LOOT PVP, let me tell you: The weak will always be crushed, always.

A simple term will allow me to summarize this and the discussion: Capitalism

deveilblad

As a founder of this game, I have to say subscription is basically essential to play. I had my sub lapse a few betas ago and tried it as a ''free'' player before resubbing with silver and IT IS HORRIBLY SLOW to do ANYTHING. It's just not worth playing without premium imho.

Then again, when you buy the game, you get premium for, I think, a month ? And it is really easy to make enough silver (in game money) to buy multiple months subscription in that month.

So, YES, that premium feature is definitely ''P2W'' as you can't really play without it (it DOUBLES all your yield ffs lol), BUT it really easy to get without spending anything except the initial cost of buying the game.

Blackboa

@Ceironx it sounds like you are having flashbacks of Vietnam by talking about this real world shit.  The real world is not as easily manipulated as a game world is.  I cannot so easily influence my own personal economics in the real world like I can influence them in a game world.  You are looking at macroeconomics in the real world and trying to compare them to a game world.  

Unfortunately this is where your logic falls flat.  You cannot compare the real world to Albion Online or any game for that matter, because the logic simply does not hold true.

Sorry buddy.  Not worth trying to have a conversation when you are bringing real world politics into the equation.  You are talking apples to oranges.

Joseph_Kerr

deveilblad said:

As a founder of this game, I have to say subscription is basically essential to play. I had my sub lapse a few betas ago and tried it as a ''free'' player before resubbing with silver and IT IS HORRIBLY SLOW to do ANYTHING. It's just not worth playing without premium imho.

Then again, when you buy the game, you get premium for, I think, a month ? And it is really easy to make enough silver (in game money) to buy multiple months subscription in that month.

So, YES, that premium feature is definitely ''P2W'' as you can't really play without it (it DOUBLES all your yield ffs lol), BUT it really easy to get without spending anything except the initial cost of buying the game.

You pay a subscription for a game in beta? That's a thing?

deveilblad

Joseph_Kerr said:

deveilblad said:

As a founder of this game, I have to say subscription is basically essential to play. I had my sub lapse a few betas ago and tried it as a ''free'' player before resubbing with silver and IT IS HORRIBLY SLOW to do ANYTHING. It's just not worth playing without premium imho.

Then again, when you buy the game, you get premium for, I think, a month ? And it is really easy to make enough silver (in game money) to buy multiple months subscription in that month.

So, YES, that premium feature is definitely ''P2W'' as you can't really play without it (it DOUBLES all your yield ffs lol), BUT it really easy to get without spending anything except the initial cost of buying the game.

You pay a subscription for a game in beta? That's a thing?

You ''pay'' it with in game currency if you have an ounce of intelligence lol...

But you can buy Gold (the real money currency) in beta and it'll get refunded to you when the game launches.

So if you have 5000 Gold (I think that's what the Founder package I bought gave me???) and you buy 5000 more during one of the betas, when the game comes out officially, you start with 10 000 gold.

Ceironx

Blackboa said:

@Ceironx it sounds like you are having flashbacks of Vietnam by talking about this real world shit.  The real world is not as easily manipulated as a game world is.  I cannot so easily influence my own personal economics in the real world like I can influence them in a game world.  You are looking at macroeconomics in the real world and trying to compare them to a game world.  

Unfortunately this is where your logic falls flat.  You cannot compare the real world to Albion Online or any game for that matter, because the logic simply does not hold true.

Sorry buddy.  Not worth trying to have a conversation when you are bringing real world politics into the equation.  You are talking apples to oranges.

Dude you have asperger or something??? I'm giving you an example of how money from outside can fucking the economy of a game. I gave you an example of WoW and you said " its not full loot pvp", So i gave you and example of real life. 
Btw, did you know that economics is tested virtually. There are Engineers in that sector that have to play out everything in a virtual 'game/word' and find the most suitable approach. I'm mastering in this fucking shit and you are going full apeshit without any facts.

I'm going to be serious here, Runescape has probably a 19852x better economy system than AO.

madazz

Well... the devs started off saying it would be the second coming of uo. They said it would be a huge open world. It's a bunch of instances and nothing like UO now. They try to please everyone and we know it's impossible to do that. 

So you're surprised at p2w? Even though you can pay for your sub with silver, what the defenders fail to mention is that those who don't get to work on progression while you are grinding to pay for your sub. It's really still not that bad if that's all they offer as a p2w feature. It's basically just a sub which is fair, and it allows you to pay it with silver if you choose too.

Regardless, the game is not what they stated it would be. The devs are also liars. They said they never referenced uo or said it would be like that. I showed them proof on their ama on reddit and they didn't come back.

Joseph_Kerr

deveilblad said:

Joseph_Kerr said:

deveilblad said:

As a founder of this game, I have to say subscription is basically essential to play. I had my sub lapse a few betas ago and tried it as a ''free'' player before resubbing with silver and IT IS HORRIBLY SLOW to do ANYTHING. It's just not worth playing without premium imho.

Then again, when you buy the game, you get premium for, I think, a month ? And it is really easy to make enough silver (in game money) to buy multiple months subscription in that month.

So, YES, that premium feature is definitely ''P2W'' as you can't really play without it (it DOUBLES all your yield ffs lol), BUT it really easy to get without spending anything except the initial cost of buying the game.

You pay a subscription for a game in beta? That's a thing?

You ''pay'' it with in game currency if you have an ounce of intelligence lol...

But you can buy Gold (the real money currency) in beta and it'll get refunded to you when the game launches.

So if you have 5000 Gold (I think that's what the Founder package I bought gave me???) and you buy 5000 more during one of the betas, when the game comes out officially, you start with 10 000 gold.

I don't play the game at all, I was just curious. I wasn't trying to cut you down or anything.

Ceironx

deveilblad said:

Joseph_Kerr said:

deveilblad said:

As a founder of this game, I have to say subscription is basically essential to play. I had my sub lapse a few betas ago and tried it as a ''free'' player before resubbing with silver and IT IS HORRIBLY SLOW to do ANYTHING. It's just not worth playing without premium imho.

Then again, when you buy the game, you get premium for, I think, a month ? And it is really easy to make enough silver (in game money) to buy multiple months subscription in that month.

So, YES, that premium feature is definitely ''P2W'' as you can't really play without it (it DOUBLES all your yield ffs lol), BUT it really easy to get without spending anything except the initial cost of buying the game.

You pay a subscription for a game in beta? That's a thing?

You ''pay'' it with in game currency if you have an ounce of intelligence lol...

But you can buy Gold (the real money currency) in beta and it'll get refunded to you when the game launches.

So if you have 5000 Gold (I think that's what the Founder package I bought gave me???) and you buy 5000 more during one of the betas, when the game comes out officially, you start with 10 000 gold.

This game is about being able to control the danger zones right? Where people can die and lose everything right? So what happens when I spent incredible ammount of money to boost myself and my guild to certain point where I can quite literally kill everyone who enters that danger zone in order to get the best materials? 

There's a game which sounds familiar except has a different approach and a different combat system, Crowfall. This game might not be all that good either however it atleast provides us with solutions. They created a world that is not lasting. Everything resets and people will have to restart from the beginning. Thus you give a little bit more chance for people to actually form a strong opposition. If it's not the first time it'll be the next time.

However in Albion Online the game will already be decided within the first 2-4 weeks. The guilds who crush any opposition in the first weeks and spend all their money will be the ones to control the game until it dies. 

Surely it won't take that long tho.

Blackboa

@Ceironx congratulations on mastering in economics, but again, real world does not translate into game world so please keep your economics knowledge to the real world and stop trying to compare apples to oranges...

On a second and serious note, all Runescape players who get wind of Albion Online when it releases (or sooner) will likely leave Runescape for Albion.  Just a prediction...you heard it here first folks!

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

Avanah

It's why when they initially opened the starter packs in Pre-Alpha awhile back, I got it refunded and have not looked back.
Terrible Game that forces grouping and the things you buy can be looted.
I advise people to stay away from Albion Online.

Just my opinion. Do as you wish.

Blackboa

@Scorchien you are becoming my assistant in pointing out the Heretics.

Dear @Avanah if you did not know that Albion Online was a full loot pvp game, then I am glad they refunded your money.  Full Loot PVP is not for the weak at heart.

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

VengeSunsoar

What's the difference between this and  any  other freedom model? 

Theocritus

Blackboa said:

@Ceironx , the supreme intellect has arrived.  @Scorchien was correct for once.

Premium status is not a money grab.  If you actually knew what you were talking about you would know this.  

Albion is a buy to play game.  When you buy the game, you start out with at a minimum a month worth of premium service.  At the end of the month, you can choose to either renew your premium service or not.  Either way, you can continue to play the game.

The great part about Albion is however that it is very easy to renew your premium service.  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY GOLD from their shop in order to renew the premium service.  You can renew the premium service with in game silver which is very easy to accumulate and make [mod edit]

So in conclusion, premium service is easy to get with in game currency and once you buy Albion once, you will never have to purchase gold from a cash shop ever again.

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

B2p and P2p? Isnt that THE formula for failure in this industry?

Avanah

Blackboa said:

@Scorchien you are becoming my assistant in pointing out the Heretics.

Dear @Avanah if you did not know that Albion Online was a full loot pvp game, then I am glad they refunded your money.  Full Loot PVP is not for the weak at heart.

#MakeAlbionGreatAgain

LOL, I was a Dread Lord of "Fires of Heaven" (FoH) Guild back in UO (We'd make people like you cry in the game.) and don't mind Full Loot PvP. You didn't get the point however.

It's about paying real money for items you can and will lose in Albion. Also, the fact that you can spend real money to get an IN Game advantage will be their downfall.

Many People hate Full Loot PvP in the first place, adding in items that real money buys and able to lose only validates that.
No need to be condescending because you are an Albion Fan Boi...you seem to forgot to read the last line in my previous post.
I'm glad that you are glad I got refunded, I'm Happy. You seem not so happy since you ASSume I don't like PvP and need to defend a game you probably spent money on before testing.

Good Luck to you.

#LOL@FanBoiDefenders