AMD Ryzen CPUs (Zen) Show Very Strong Performance

Malabooga

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-zen-cpu-benchmarks-official/

this could finally mean no more retarded 180$ dual core CPUs in 2017. by Intel

definitely worth waiting for as prices are rumored to be much lower than Intels comparable CPUs (hinted by Lisa Su at presentation)

Cleffy

Well it is a cherry picked benchmark. In the benchmark they had earlier with Blender, AMD has always been competitive at CPU based 3D rendering due to the amount of cores it had and the larger cache.
That said, I am definitely getting this since I render in Blender. Might give it a few months post release to see how things pan out.

Malabooga

There are 2 tests, Blender and Handbrake, also thats without any Turbo enabled on AMD chip AND it uses less power to beat it ;P

Blender

	AMD RYZEN ES (3.4 GHz)	Intel Core i7-6900K (3.7 GHz)
Blender Custom Scene	25.57s	26.01s

Handbrake



also you can download file they used and try for yourself in Blender ;P

OCed i7s 4 core get well over a minute

Ridelynn

Waiting for the full bench suite and nonpartisan reviews. But it does look promising.

Reizla

Good thing I didn't upgrade my CPU yet to a FX8x30. With this just around the corner I might just build a new PC somewhere next year and 'donate' my old CPU and RAM to my son.

Malabooga

Some indications that Ryzen will be launched sometime in February

http://videocardz.com/65571/amd-ryzen-to-launch-at-gdc2017

Classicstar

Hope Ryzen delivers i finally can't build a full AMD rig.

sacredfool

Classicstar said:

Hope Ryzen delivers i finally can't build a full AMD rig.

Don't get your hopes up. If the results would be promising we would already see more "leaks" but we heard nothing about Ryzen in the last month.

Vrika

sacredfool said:

Classicstar said:

Hope Ryzen delivers i finally can't build a full AMD rig.

Don't get your hopes up. If the results would be promising we would already see more "leaks" but we heard nothing about Ryzen in the last month.

I agree. If they had something that could compete against Intel's Kaby Lake releasing soon, they would ensure that some info is leaked and gets compared to Kaby Lake.

This lack of info means that either they can't compete, or they've got problems with their schedule.

That's not to say that Ryzen couldn't become the best alternative for budget computers.

MaxBacon

AMD CPU's always scare the hell out of me, it's not even performance is compatibility issues.

filmoret

They were suppose to be in full production already.  Something isn't working out.

13lake

There's 2 reason for the delays :

1. they're building stock for a massive hard launch, which wasn't the original idea.

2. they have multiple revisions, with ~200Mhz stock clock bumb between them, so i'm guessing they want to have more of the 3.4Ghz version (8-core), and who knows how many different revisions of the 4-core there are, they're waiting to see how many they get at each clock speed step, so they can segment their offerings.

botrytis

sacredfool said:

Classicstar said:

Hope Ryzen delivers i finally can't build a full AMD rig.

Don't get your hopes up. If the results would be promising we would already see more "leaks" but we heard nothing about Ryzen in the last month.

Not really, especially IF AMD is trying to make sure there are no leaks in information. he less Intel knows the better.

GladDog

Well, as Jean-Luc stated, this is really, really good news for everyone, no matter which aisle you walk on, Intel or AMD.  Intel has had virtually no competition, which means that their prices have not dropped much, especially on the high end.  I think the best thing that will happen with this is that AMD and Intel will get in a price war, the first one in almost 20 years! 

And this will have an effect on the i7 prices, which is very good news.  Even if these benchmarks were cherry picked, if an 8 core Zen can go faster than a 4 core i7, and especially using less power, then Intel will have to lower their prices.

Also, if the Zen chips are as fast as their equivalent Intel products, then Intel will FINALLY be forced to innovate with their CPUs.  When the Athlon X2's started cutting into Intel's market share, what did we see?

The release of the Core2Duo.

I really can't wait to see what the end result is from all of this!

botrytis

MaxBacon said:

AMD CPU's always scare the hell out of me, it's not even performance is compatibility issues.

Never had issues with ANY AMD CPU especially since Intel has licensed the 64-bit CISC code from AMD.

botrytis

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/amd-ryzen-motherboards-hype/


More information. AMD is looking good and with Intel trying to license the GPU tech from AMD, they will be doing quite well.

filmoret

GladDog said:

Well, as Jean-Luc stated, this is really, really good news for everyone, no matter which aisle you walk on, Intel or AMD.  Intel has had virtually no competition, which means that their prices have not dropped much, especially on the high end.  I think the best thing that will happen with this is that AMD and Intel will get in a price war, the first one in almost 20 years! 

And this will have an effect on the i7 prices, which is very good news.  Even if these benchmarks were cherry picked, if an 8 core Zen can go faster than a 4 core i7, and especially using less power, then Intel will have to lower their prices.

Also, if the Zen chips are as fast as their equivalent Intel products, then Intel will FINALLY be forced to innovate with their CPUs.  When the Athlon X2's started cutting into Intel's market share, what did we see?

The release of the Core2Duo.

I really can't wait to see what the end result is from all of this!

The problem is every time AMD comes up with something good.  Intel, Nvidia bring a counter that you just cannot ignore.

Quizzical

filmoret said:

They were suppose to be in full production already.  Something isn't working out.

It takes several months to go from full production to launch.  For that matter, it takes a couple of months to go from the start of full production to getting the first chips from that production run back from the fabs.

Malabooga

Vrika said:

sacredfool said:

Classicstar said:

Hope Ryzen delivers i finally can't build a full AMD rig.

Don't get your hopes up. If the results would be promising we would already see more "leaks" but we heard nothing about Ryzen in the last month.

I agree. If they had something that could compete against Intel's Kaby Lake releasing soon, they would ensure that some info is leaked and gets compared to Kaby Lake.

This lack of info means that either they can't compete, or they've got problems with their schedule.

That's not to say that Ryzen couldn't become the best alternative for budget computers.

Just a week or two ago tehy said they are not targeting end of Q1.

Kaby Lake is failing on its own, less and less chips fail to live up to "5GHz hype", 190$ i3 that OCed to 5 GHz is slower than stock 180$ i5, 0 IPC improvement improvement over Skylake with 200 MHz better OC, mess called Z270 platform, optane turns out to be "16/32GB of cache to speed up your HDD", prices are exactly same as Skylake... ... ...

The thing is that everything that was said about upgrading back on Skylake launch year and a half ago applies to Kaby Lake as its just rebranded Skylake with few MHz higher clocks, so anyone who hasnt decided to upgrade in last year and a half still has no reason to upgrade now lol

And next Intels gen is slated for Q2 2018.

And one of big strenghts of Ryzen and its platform is upgrade path as from what has been said EVERY Zen chip will use same platform, from APU to 8c/16t (proably even 10-12 cores if they release such chips) in next 4 years, no need to change whole platform if you decide to go from 4c/4t to 8c/16t chip next gen.

Loke666

botrytis said:

Never had issues with ANY AMD CPU especially since Intel has licensed the 64-bit CISC code from AMD.

I had some, it always been heating issues, particularly with the Athlon. I always get custom cooling when I get AMD out of old habit. Right now I use Intel though, but my last build used a Phenomenah II x6. 

I am more interested in performance then price. I can always save more money and wait a couple of months extra to upgrade, that tend to mean that I will use the computer longer so the real cost becomes more or less the same while I initially get a far better computer. 

But it is good if AMD gets back into the game again, competition leads to innovation as some have pointed out already.

Quizzical

Malabooga said:

Vrika said:

sacredfool said:

Classicstar said:

Hope Ryzen delivers i finally can't build a full AMD rig.

Don't get your hopes up. If the results would be promising we would already see more "leaks" but we heard nothing about Ryzen in the last month.

I agree. If they had something that could compete against Intel's Kaby Lake releasing soon, they would ensure that some info is leaked and gets compared to Kaby Lake.

This lack of info means that either they can't compete, or they've got problems with their schedule.

That's not to say that Ryzen couldn't become the best alternative for budget computers.

Just a week or two ago tehy said they are not targeting end of Q1.

Kaby Lake is failing on its own, less and less chips fail to live up to "5GHz hype", 190$ i3 that OCed to 5 GHz is slower than stock 180$ i5, 0 IPC improvement improvement over Skylake with 200 MHz better OC, mess called Z270 platform, optane turns out to be "16/32GB of cache to speed up your HDD", prices are exactly same as Skylake... ... ...

The thing is that everything that was said about upgrading back on Skylake launch year and a half ago applies to Kaby Lake as its just rebranded Skylake with few MHz higher clocks, so anyone who hasnt decided to upgrade in last year and a half still has no reason to upgrade now lol

And next Intels gen is slated for Q2 2018.

And one of big strenghts of Ryzen and its platform is upgrade path as from what has been said EVERY Zen chip will use same platform, from APU to 8c/16t (proably even 10-12 cores if they release such chips) in next 4 years, no need to change whole platform if you decide to go from 4c/4t to 8c/16t chip next gen.

Kaby Lake isn't a bad CPU.  It's better than Sky Lake, albeit not by much.  But let's be serious here:  Kaby Lake's competition today is whatever AMD has available, and it wins that in a landslide.  If people decide to buy Sky Lake instead of Kaby Lake, Intel isn't going to be upset.

We'll have to wait and see how good Ryzen is, and Kaby Lake might look much weaker by comparison then--or much stronger than it does today.  But even if Ryzen is everything that the most ardent of AMD fanboys hope, that still won't mean that Kaby Lake is a bad CPU akin to the Pentium 4 or Bulldozer.  It would only mean that Intel made a nice CPU and AMD simply made a better one.

gervaise1

And then we have Cannonlake in H2 2017.

Reizla

Loke666 said:

botrytis said:

Never had issues with ANY AMD CPU especially since Intel has licensed the 64-bit CISC code from AMD.

I had some, it always been heating issues, particularly with the Athlon. I always get custom cooling when I get AMD out of old habit. Right now I use Intel though, but my last build used a Phenomenah II x6. 

Gotta agree there. AMD's stock coolers are the worst out there (and extremely noisy as well). I had to change my 1090T cooler last year (CoolerMaster EVO cooler series broke down) back to stock and I went nuts from all the noise it gave. not to mention the extra heath in my PC. Back to the old cooler solved both problems immediately.

That aside, running programs/OSs, there's no real difference on the x64 front (aside from AMD not running Mac OSX, but that's written for Intel only).

Quizzical

Reizla said:

Loke666 said:

botrytis said:

Never had issues with ANY AMD CPU especially since Intel has licensed the 64-bit CISC code from AMD.

I had some, it always been heating issues, particularly with the Athlon. I always get custom cooling when I get AMD out of old habit. Right now I use Intel though, but my last build used a Phenomenah II x6. 

Gotta agree there. AMD's stock coolers are the worst out there (and extremely noisy as well). I had to change my 1090T cooler last year (CoolerMaster EVO cooler series broke down) back to stock and I went nuts from all the noise it gave. not to mention the extra heath in my PC. Back to the old cooler solved both problems immediately.

That aside, running programs/OSs, there's no real difference on the x64 front (aside from AMD not running Mac OSX, but that's written for Intel only).

AMD's stock coolers for some of their higher power CPUs are better than Intel's stock coolers.  That's not the same as actually being a good cooler, of course, as Intel's stock coolers are awful.

AMD's Wraith cooler is actually decent, though, and about on par with what you'd expect from a decent $20-$30 aftermarket cooler.

Quizzical

The other thing I hate about Intel coolers is that the push pins are so awkward to secure in place.  Because that extends into motherboard design, it means that any aftermarket coolers for Intel CPU are going to have the same problem.  That's only a pain when installing it, and after you've got it secured, it's fine, of course.  But AMD's mechanism where you flip a latch to lock it in place is so much easier to use.

Ridelynn

AMD has a "premium" stock cooler they call Wraith now, that's bundled with some of their higher end CPUs. That's actually not too bad.

But yeah, the basic stock HSF from both Intel and AMD is horrible. At least Intel's is quiet, even if it will throttle your CPU even on stock settings.