This one was done in past 2 days so its completely fresh benchmark, no recycled results from launch 7 months ago that most sites use.
And there was never ever any "endangering mobos" that thing was overblown by those who dont unerstand how stuff works. NVidia 750ti and 950 have been doing that for couple of years and noone cared....because its a non issue lol. And just for information only reference 480 had that kind of power split so theres 0 "issues" with that as youll have to try hard to find reference 480 nowdays (you shouldnt be buying reference cards from any company, they suck compared to custom cards anyway) lol
GTX1070 31% faster than RX480 in 1080p but costs double? ABBYSMAL performance/price and value lol its one of THE most overhyped and overrated cards in history (thanks corrupted media)
GTX1080 only 53% faster for triple the price lol.
And these are reference cards, to get custom cards numbers add ~10% performance for AMD cards and 3-4% performance to NVidia cards.
You're right that the cost/performance ratio is abysmal for 1070/1080, but they are the only game in town for that performance right now.
Not true Fury cards are still very competitive, Fury X is on 1070 level and could have been found from 320$ while Fury Nitro is between 480/1070 and could be found for as low as 240$/289€.
Heres Fury Nitro for 260(240)$ on Newegg and it has been that price for 4-5 months now lol
The 1070 and 1080 are way overpriced for the performance they provide. There is basically NO difference between the 1060 and the 480, so whichever you can get the better price on.
If you are gamer, there is not much point in overclocking unless the cpu is running under 4ghz, games don't stress the cpu near as much as the gpu. I still don't see much difference between an I5 and an I7 running games either. An SSD though is a must, most games are I/O bound. Unless you are running multiple clients anything over 8GB of memory is overkill.
Personally not going to upgrade any of my systems until I see what the new AMD chip is like. I am tired of getting ripped off by Intel for marginal increases.
The 1070 and 1080 are way overpriced for the performance they provide. There is basically NO difference between the 1060 and the 480, so whichever you can get the better price on.
If you are gamer, there is not much point in overclocking unless the cpu is running under 4ghz, games don't stress the cpu near as much as the gpu. I still don't see much difference between an I5 and an I7 running games either. An SSD though is a must, most games are I/O bound. Unless you are running multiple clients anything over 8GB of memory is overkill.
Personally not going to upgrade any of my systems until I see what the new AMD chip is like. I am tired of getting ripped off by Intel for marginal increases.
As far as 480/1060 go, 480 is better choice going forward (as it was before) as it will just make the margin bigger as time goes by like all AMD cards have done vs NVidia cards, and DX12/Vulkan are NVidias weakness as they clearly fall behind.
The new feature that they revealed for Ryzen that "rewards the cooling you have" might be quite interesting as investing on your cooling can automatically make your CPU faster (probably requires releasing TDP limits in BIOS though and even setting desired temperature target similar to how GPUs operate). But all Ryzen chips are fully unlocked (no more intels -k crap) so...why not lol
Few games now require > 8GB of RAM, namely Forza 3 "all max" and AotS Crazy settings dont work with 8 GB lol
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One thing to keep in mind, is that some game engines can take full advantage of all the cores. It's a royal PITA be full multi-threaded, but that will be the future of game engines as it gives us so much additional power.
It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. The article makes some good points about AMD's failures in the past with motherboards and how it made it easier on Intel. This time it looks to be different, which is good for consumers.
"There is basically NO difference between the 1060 and the 480, so whichever you can get the better price on."
Well, one big difference is the 480 supports freesync, while you need gsync (+200 bucks or so for the same thing) for a 1060. But yeah they are basically the same thing. Another thing is 3gb might not be very good soon. Most places I look at recommend 4gb at least.
Like I mentioned I'm really happy with my 480 8gb and would recommend it- just saying if you can afford to get 1070 performance by picking other parts, there's no reason not to.
That Fury Nitro card linked on this page looks pretty sweet though and would also be worth considering. I don't know anything about those cards, though.
With 1,150 euroes to spend, I think the guy can get a better GPU than a 1060 (or 480) imo, especially if he's going to go with a i5 or AMD cpu.
I spent like $600 on all the parts on my current set up, including the case, minus the GPU, and that was going with a i7 6700k.
Biggest point of contention I had after briefly looking was it appears his motherboard costs $300. I just got a really nice one for around $150. Looking for better deals like that and shifting the money over to the GPU could allow him to get something really nice.
I do not recommend skimping on a motherboard, but you should be able to find everything you need with proper surge protection etc for less than 300.
Video cards are so expensive nowadays- they are like CPUs. You definitely want to get one that you will not be looking to replace for a really long time.
Intersting fact, I checked two sites that tested the RX 480 vs the GTX 1060 (8GB/6GB) and both gave the GTX 1060 better scores/FPS of about 5 - 15% depending on game. O.o That would've made the 1060 the better choice, since it has the same price, whereas this graph shows equal performance. Perhaps they used newer optimized drivers. What happened to the RX 480 endangering mobos, due to power usage spike on the PCIe slot?
In my experience/research:
The 1060 6G version does tend to edge out an RX480. It also tends to cost around $300US, vs the $180-220 US for the RX 480.
The RX480 tends to edge out the 1060 3G version though - that's the 1060 that costs around $200. It's not the same card at all as the 1060 6G (slower clocks and 1 less "core"), despite having the same model number. It's not just a difference of VRAM.
Either I had a typo or prices vary greatly. The mobo I had in mind was about 150€, both RX 480 and GTX 1060 go for about 300€ (cheapest 8GB RX 480 I've seen on Alternate is 250€ from XFX, Sapphire (I hade one once, good ole Radeon 9800 GT) goes for 280€), the CPUs, the I5-7600 248€. You wont find an GTX 1070 below 450€ on Alternate and no R9 at all.
If I see the prices you list I'd like go head -> table... But I did no further research. I will check Amazon, Mindfactory and co if I have decided for a setup. Waiting for RyZen I will check news. AMD usually had better prices and need to deliver, so I am hopefull. They admitted Bulldozer was a fail, so probably they have learned their lessens.
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And there was never ever any "endangering mobos" that thing was overblown by those who dont unerstand how stuff works. NVidia 750ti and 950 have been doing that for couple of years and noone cared....because its a non issue lol. And just for information only reference 480 had that kind of power split so theres 0 "issues" with that as youll have to try hard to find reference 480 nowdays (you shouldnt be buying reference cards from any company, they suck compared to custom cards anyway) lol
Heres Fury Nitro for 260(240)$ on Newegg and it has been that price for 4-5 months now lol
If you are gamer, there is not much point in overclocking unless the cpu is running under 4ghz, games don't stress the cpu near as much as the gpu. I still don't see much difference between an I5 and an I7 running games either. An SSD though is a must, most games are I/O bound. Unless you are running multiple clients anything over 8GB of memory is overkill.
Personally not going to upgrade any of my systems until I see what the new AMD chip is like. I am tired of getting ripped off by Intel for marginal increases.
I would wait to pick one up.
The new feature that they revealed for Ryzen that "rewards the cooling you have" might be quite interesting as investing on your cooling can automatically make your CPU faster (probably requires releasing TDP limits in BIOS though and even setting desired temperature target similar to how GPUs operate). But all Ryzen chips are fully unlocked (no more intels -k crap) so...why not lol
Few games now require > 8GB of RAM, namely Forza 3 "all max" and AotS Crazy settings dont work with 8 GB lol
One thing to keep in mind, is that some game engines can take full advantage of all the cores. It's a royal PITA be full multi-threaded, but that will be the future of game engines as it gives us so much additional power.
It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. The article makes some good points about AMD's failures in the past with motherboards and how it made it easier on Intel. This time it looks to be different, which is good for consumers.
Mark Jacobs
CEO, City State Entertainment
But than again, we keep hearing the same thing since AMD FX CPU launch.
Well, one big difference is the 480 supports freesync, while you need gsync (+200 bucks or so for the same thing) for a 1060. But yeah they are basically the same thing. Another thing is 3gb might not be very good soon. Most places I look at recommend 4gb at least.
Like I mentioned I'm really happy with my 480 8gb and would recommend it- just saying if you can afford to get 1070 performance by picking other parts, there's no reason not to.
That Fury Nitro card linked on this page looks pretty sweet though and would also be worth considering. I don't know anything about those cards, though.
With 1,150 euroes to spend, I think the guy can get a better GPU than a 1060 (or 480) imo, especially if he's going to go with a i5 or AMD cpu.
I spent like $600 on all the parts on my current set up, including the case, minus the GPU, and that was going with a i7 6700k.
Biggest point of contention I had after briefly looking was it appears his motherboard costs $300. I just got a really nice one for around $150. Looking for better deals like that and shifting the money over to the GPU could allow him to get something really nice.
I do not recommend skimping on a motherboard, but you should be able to find everything you need with proper surge protection etc for less than 300.
Video cards are so expensive nowadays- they are like CPUs. You definitely want to get one that you will not be looking to replace for a really long time.
The 1060 6G version does tend to edge out an RX480. It also tends to cost around $300US, vs the $180-220 US for the RX 480.
The RX480 tends to edge out the 1060 3G version though - that's the 1060 that costs around $200. It's not the same card at all as the 1060 6G (slower clocks and 1 less "core"), despite having the same model number. It's not just a difference of VRAM.
If I see the prices you list I'd like go head -> table... But I did no further research. I will check Amazon, Mindfactory and co if I have decided for a setup. Waiting for RyZen I will check news. AMD usually had better prices and need to deliver, so I am hopefull. They admitted Bulldozer was a fail, so probably they have learned their lessens.