While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
While everyone is focusing on what they feel entitled to take for their own because that really is what humans are best at, you are not acknowledging that actions have consequences. What good is a society that abandons justice, law, and principles.
Let them make their own damn game from the ground up. If it's really that good then people will play it anyway.
For someone that has been screwed by the Repop devs out of $500 I see irony in your position.
Funny you should bring up my loss of $500 since that's probably less than what it would take to run 1 of these servers for a year. I'm not promoting anything and I said it is illegal to do what they are doing, but the same could be said about P99, the EQ vanilla servers that were somehow magically approved by SOE / Daybreak Studios to progress with their product.
So, let me reiterate what my point is. Yes, Robin Hood is a bad person, shame on him. Oh wait, no one who ever watched Robin Hood movies thought of him as the villain, even though that's exactly what he was. No no no, we'll praise the people like Blizzard and Martin Shkreli who are in fact an even worse hazard to human rights. If it wasn't a big deal for SOE / DB to approve the P99 emu, why is Blizzard being a bunch of tools about Nost? I'll tell you why, cause they are greedy assholes. Hence my comment that people should boycott them but we all know how sheepish everyone is about standing up against such things.
So since Blizzard is committing the game equivalent of a human rights violation they should have no legal grounds to defend sole rights to their IP...
Yo Fonz, get back on the surfboard, we didn't get the right angle!
I guess you failed to explain how SOE / DB were able to approve P99. Once you explain that without making Blizzard look exactly as I describe them, than feel free to make insulting references.
Do you know the details on the agreement between P99 and SoE/DGC? If you don't then you are just guessing like I would be. Do you know the details about what Blizzard and Nost talked about at the meeting? No? Well then again you would be guessing just like I would be. So before you construct this ridiculous comparison between someone who puts people's lives in danger and an entity that owns the rights to ENTERTAINMENT please make sure it's based on your actual knowledge and not a construct of your own making.
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
Your fairly decent sized community is about .01% of actual PAYING Blizzard customers, Blizzard has no incentive or intention of opening a Legacy server for .01% of thieves , They need to produce content and new games for there 99.9 % of actual PAYING customers, They also already know that if they were to put up a Vanilla server for this miniscule amount of freeloading , bottom feeding minority , and put a price tag on it of 14.99 that 2/3rds of them would bail and imdiatley look for another free sever, On top of that Blizzard has Investors to protect and answer to , Also a responsibility to protect there IP and brands which they are expanding into Movies, Books etc...
The level of ignorance and stupid that this subject breeds everytime it comes up is astounding ..
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
While everyone is focusing on what they feel entitled to take for their own because that really is what humans are best at, you are not acknowledging that actions have consequences. What good is a society that abandons justice, law, and principles.
Let them make their own damn game from the ground up. If it's really that good then people will play it anyway.
For someone that has been screwed by the Repop devs out of $500 I see irony in your position.
Funny you should bring up my loss of $500 since that's probably more than what it would take to run 1 of these servers for a year. I'm not promoting anything and I said it is illegal to do what they are doing, but the same could be said about P99, the EQ vanilla servers that were somehow magically approved by SOE / Daybreak Studios to progress with their product.
So, let me reiterate what my point is. Yes, Robin Hood is a bad person, shame on him. Oh wait, no one who ever watched Robin Hood movies thought of him as the villain, even though that's exactly what he was. No no no, we'll praise the people like Blizzard and Martin Shkreli who are in fact an even worse hazard to human rights. If it wasn't a big deal for SOE / DB to approve the P99 emu, why is Blizzard being a bunch of tools about Nost? I'll tell you why, cause they are greedy assholes. Hence my comment that people should boycott them but we all know how sheepish everyone is about standing up against such things.
EDIT: And let it be known, I don't play WoW anymore. Not since WotLK and I have NEVER even touched a private server. Not even interested. I would love Blizzard to handle this like any rich company should and make their "old customers" happy. Everyone of you knows they would make money off it, so it has nothing to do with, "Is it worth it for Blizzard to provide such a product" because the simple answer would be yes and Nost has proven that already.
Robin Hood? Seriously? Lol. Maybe someone wasn't paying attention to the setting that Robin Hood took place in or doesn't understand "the lesser of two evils." In Robin Hood, EVERYONE was crooked/bad, it just so happened that Robin Hood did less bad stuff.
On to Blizzard, I'm not sure what they are doing is "evil" since they have a right to reform their IP as they see fit. People honestly believe that when they purchase a product that requires official servers to connect to said product, that it makes it their's when it doesn't. Its just like saying that you're buying games on Steam when you honestly are not. You are renting licenses on the Steam platform. If the company or Steam decide to discontinue downloading of said product, well you're SoL. Honestly, there's not way around this either since even hard copy single player games require online downloads to become playable for the most part (see Fallout 4).
The first part of this video gives a bit more thought on the future of gaming as a whole, which people might want to think more about as it becomes an increasing reality:
Well, I'll stop replying to the same argument towards my analogies from 20 different people until one of them actually responds to a comparison of WoW Legacy and Blizzard versus P99 and SOE / DBG. Whether my analogies are over the top or not is once again, besides the point. If a company like SOE / DBG understands how to make customers happy, then what does that make Blizzard look like who obviously has way more financial capital? Also, I'm sure SOE / DBG also have investors interests to look out for but again, that didn't stop them from approving P99 with a green light to move forward with a similar product as a WoW legacy server.
no they dont DGB is a private co. .. Blizz (ATVI) is publicly owned , its hard to take you seriously when you spout out stuff like this ..
They had their chance to walk away cleanly with the cease and desist. Here's hoping Blizzard follows through with legal action.
As for Blizzard and legacy servers, they clearly don't think it worth the trouble. I for one am inclined to believe they know better than a small, rabid group of internet loudmouths whether it would be profitable and efficient or not. They spoke with the Nost team, and no doubt have evaluated all the details -- surely multiple times by now -- and found the results underwhelming. Or, maybe, they just don't want to go backwards, and would rather move forwards with their own production.
Then again, they really didn't have a chance to build Legacy servers of their own, after all this started, before Nost tried to ransom their IP. For all we know, Blizzard could have been actually working on some of their own -- let's all remember how slowly Blizzard actually does things.
Regardless, whatever hopes the Vanilla fans had for an official server have been killed by the terroristic behavior, I'm willing to bet. So, congratulations to the team for accomplishing the opposite of their goals, and hopefully ending up in court.
As I've said countless times, I agree with everything. My point has been and always will be that Blizzard are greedy assholes. If you can't prove me wrong based off the P99 and SOE / DB outcome, than feel free to carry on with an argument that doesn't exist. My analogy was used to make a point, nothing more and my point is accurate.
Well to e fair SOE/DBG was pretty desperate at that point to generate ANY buzz. My guess is that they were bleeding core users and tried to curry some favour by doing it this way... A sort of "spend money to make money" deal...
Blizzard is not really in that seat are they... With a stable moneymaker, two massive hits in recent years and to cap it off some of the best overall reputation (outside of bitter WoW vets) in the biz... They can afford to take their time with this since it is not a market that exactly is going away in the coming 10-30 years
Well to e fair SOE/DBG was pretty desperate at that point to generate ANY buzz. My guess is that they were bleeding core users and tried to curry some favour by doing it this way... A sort of "spend money to make money" deal...
This is exactly right. They didn't support P99 out of generosity or love. They did it because it was to their own benefit.
The real events went something like this:
DBG was preparing to release a new wave of progression servers around the same time P99 was preparing to release Velious. The Velious release on P99 would have undermined their own servers, so they made a quick-and-dirty deal with the P99 team to postpone their Velious release in exchange for "giving them the green light". My guess is DBG probably did approach them and give them an ultimatum. The delay of P99 was likely the equivalent of settling things out of court.
Well, I'll stop replying to the same argument towards my analogies from 20 different people until one of them actually responds to a comparison of WoW Legacy and Blizzard versus P99 and SOE / DBG. Whether my analogies are over the top or not is once again, besides the point. If a company like SOE / DBG understands how to make customers happy, then what does that make Blizzard look like who obviously has way more financial capital? Also, I'm sure SOE / DBG also have investors interests to look out for but again, that didn't stop them from approving P99 with a green light to move forward with a similar product as a WoW legacy server.
How much more of a loss in consumer confidence can a company like SOE/DBG really take at this point? You're talking about a company that has faced failure and drama left and right since around 2005. Blizzard on the other hand is extremely successful... Apples and oranges...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So it seems that Blizzard has threatened the Nost team(since Blizzard doesn't have any other real legal options).
The question here is whether Elysium will help out their fellow human beings(Nost team) or bullshit their way out of this by saying that they refuse to yield to threats or whatever crap they can make up.
To be honest before I was kinda unhappy with the hypocrisy Blizzard was showing. Pretending that they care, inviting the Nost team when they obviously couldn't care less about them and all the Vanilla fans. Now however... stealthy threats... now that's just outright disgusting.
You can't prove anything with regards to this. In addition, they wouldn't of even asked them to come at all if they weren't interested in what they had to say. If people stayed after the circus that was WoD, then nothing can harm their profits and they wouldn't even give a literal piece of crap in the bathroom to the legacy community. But not being convinced that legacy is the right move for the game right now does not mean they did not want to hear a presentation -- especially after one of their own asked them to do such in the past. Though if what Nost is saying is correct about the 10% thing, then it's likely that there aren't as many "hardcore" vanilla fans as thought.
How can we expect people to go to an official server when free servers are so low? Or if Blizzard can't do anything about servers in territories where law doesn't apply to them? Releasing the code prematurely pretty much gave Blizzard competition against their own product. Legion has shown that they still have a lot of people coming back each expansion. They don't need the hassle of recreating the vanilla servers when there's a very popular free one out there that Nost gave free press to, as well as all their good will and talking power with Blizzard as a corporate entity in this.
This just showed the retention numbers to blizzard, as well as many only wanting free stuff with them still not willing to stay or transfer over to new servers once released (and this is with characters being transferred as well, which won't be an option with official servers).
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All very true, except Elysium is based out of China or Russia or somewhere outside the US, far beyond the reach of Blizzard and US copyright laws. Seems there is more than one way to skin a cat and Nost is losing on both ends.
I believe they are in the Ukraine. So, yeah, good luck prosecuting Elysium. You'd probably have better luck with China or Russia. It just makes things worse for Nost as they painted themselves into a corner... and painted the bull's eye on themselves.
Well, I'll stop replying to the same argument towards my analogies from 20 different people until one of them actually responds to a comparison of WoW Legacy and Blizzard versus P99 and SOE / DBG. Whether my analogies are over the top or not is once again, besides the point. If a company like SOE / DBG understands how to make customers happy, then what does that make Blizzard look like who obviously has way more financial capital? Also, I'm sure SOE / DBG also have investors interests to look out for but again, that didn't stop them from approving P99 with a green light to move forward with a similar product as a WoW legacy server.
Your feelings don't make any difference here other than to rationalize illegal behavior. Even if one agrees with your point between P99 and Nost... so? You think Blizzard is being greedy and not providing something to a particular playerbase... so? That doesn't change the laws and the rights of Blizzard regarding their IP.
Why should someone stop using it and Blizzard likely won't listen to anyone all they did was ruin WOW from what it was since the first game came out all the expansions ruined it.
Your feelings don't make any difference here other than to rationalize illegal behavior. Even if one agrees with your point between P99 and Nost... so? You think Blizzard is being greedy and not providing something to a particular playerbase... so? That doesn't change the laws and the rights of Blizzard regarding their IP.
You are right, Blizzard have every right to do with their IP what they like. Having said that, nothing stop them to just allow their Vanilla code to be used freely as long as it is not for commercial reasons (like P99)
The truth though is that Blizzard knows those servers are actually pretty popular, Nostalrius alone had almost 1 Million active players, and they know that those Servers steal lots of customers from their Live Servers.
Blizzard knows that making their own Legacy Servers will be profitable, however they also know that if they do open such servers they will sell less expansions, which are expansive to make. I would honestly pay for all their crappy expansion to play in one of their Legacy Server and obviously I would pay for a subscription as well. It make sense to me that if you want to play any version of WoW you have to pay for the all package, expansions included, even if you don't play them. To me it is a win win situation, but Blizzard thinks differently.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal,
/snip
Just this and it's more than enough to be against what Nost and now this new outfit has done. Unless it's not okay anymore to advocate following the law? You can complain all you want to that Blizzard is not providing what some players want but it's their product to do with what they want. I can understand the romanticism of the situation here but at the core is exactly what you yourself said. It's illegal.
maybe. . .
. . .maybe not.
at least in the USA.
mayhaps you should read about the relevant DMCA changes passed into law in '15. . .
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
While everyone is focusing on what they feel entitled to take for their own because that really is what humans are best at, you are not acknowledging that actions have consequences. What good is a society that abandons justice, law, and principles.
Let them make their own damn game from the ground up. If it's really that good then people will play it anyway.
For someone that has been screwed by the Repop devs out of $500 I see irony in your position.
Funny you should bring up my loss of $500 since that's probably less than what it would take to run 1 of these servers for a year. I'm not promoting anything and I said it is illegal to do what they are doing, but the same could be said about P99, the EQ vanilla servers that were somehow magically approved by SOE / Daybreak Studios to progress with their product.
So, let me reiterate what my point is. Yes, Robin Hood is a bad person, shame on him. Oh wait, no one who ever watched Robin Hood movies thought of him as the villain, even though that's exactly what he was. No no no, we'll praise the people like Blizzard and Martin Shkreli who are in fact an even worse hazard to human rights. If it wasn't a big deal for SOE / DB to approve the P99 emu, why is Blizzard being a bunch of tools about Nost? I'll tell you why, cause they are greedy assholes. Hence my comment that people should boycott them but we all know how sheepish everyone is about standing up against such things.
So since Blizzard is committing the game equivalent of a human rights violation they should have no legal grounds to defend sole rights to their IP...
Yo Fonz, get back on the surfboard, we didn't get the right angle!
I guess you failed to explain how SOE / DB were able to approve P99. Once you explain that without making Blizzard look exactly as I describe them, than feel free to make insulting references.
Do you know the details on the agreement between P99 and SoE/DGC? If you don't then you are just guessing like I would be. Do you know the details about what Blizzard and Nost talked about at the meeting? No? Well then again you would be guessing just like I would be. So before you construct this ridiculous comparison between someone who puts people's lives in danger and an entity that owns the rights to ENTERTAINMENT please make sure it's based on your actual knowledge and not a construct of your own making.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal,
/snip
Just this and it's more than enough to be against what Nost and now this new outfit has done. Unless it's not okay anymore to advocate following the law? You can complain all you want to that Blizzard is not providing what some players want but it's their product to do with what they want. I can understand the romanticism of the situation here but at the core is exactly what you yourself said. It's illegal.
so i'm guessing you've never sped, never parked where you shouldn't, never J Walked, never littered, never threatened or gotten into a fight with anyone or any other slew of crimes people commit, you can't really take the moral high ground when everyone is guilty of having done something in their lives.
Your feelings don't make any difference here other than to rationalize illegal behavior. Even if one agrees with your point between P99 and Nost... so? You think Blizzard is being greedy and not providing something to a particular playerbase... so? That doesn't change the laws and the rights of Blizzard regarding their IP.
You are right, Blizzard have every right to do with their IP what they like. Having said that, nothing stop them to just allow their Vanilla code to be used freely as long as it is not for commercial reasons (like P99)
The truth though is that Blizzard knows those servers are actually pretty popular, Nostalrius alone had almost 1 Million active players, and they know that those Servers steal lots of customers from their Live Servers.
Blizzard knows that making their own Legacy Servers will be profitable, however they also know that if they do open such servers they will sell less expansions, which are expansive to make. I would honestly pay for all their crappy expansion to play in one of their Legacy Server and obviously I would pay for a subscription as well. It make sense to me that if you want to play any version of WoW you have to pay for the all package, expansions included, even if you don't play them. To me it is a win win situation, but Blizzard thinks differently.
It's an assumption that Blizzard didn't want to go forward with a legacy server(s) because they didn't make it happen during the same time as a big expansion, which was an unreasonable expectation by legacy server fans. They should not be expected to be at the beck and call of anyone regarding their own IP anyways. Blizzard is known for spreading out big announcements so it wouldn't make any sense to do both at the same time. It was the hasty decision by the Nost crew to release code that has gotten the situation where it is now.
Well, I'll stop replying to the same argument towards my analogies from 20 different people until one of them actually responds to a comparison of WoW Legacy and Blizzard versus P99 and SOE / DBG. Whether my analogies are over the top or not is once again, besides the point. If a company like SOE / DBG understands how to make customers happy, then what does that make Blizzard look like who obviously has way more financial capital? Also, I'm sure SOE / DBG also have investors interests to look out for but again, that didn't stop them from approving P99 with a green light to move forward with a similar product as a WoW legacy server.
Your feelings don't make any difference here other than to rationalize illegal behavior. Even if one agrees with your point between P99 and Nost... so? You think Blizzard is being greedy and not providing something to a particular playerbase... so? That doesn't change the laws and the rights of Blizzard regarding their IP.
Honestly I don't give 2 cents about copyright laws really, I just hop a VPN that doesn't do IP Logging actually two of them and do whatever I want whenever I want... The copyright notice system is rather stupid anyways been doing it for years...
To me the movie and game & software industry is too greedy, only copyright I care about is those of small home individuals / artists in certain games / apps that is all.
As for Blizzard they really need to give peeps what they want.
I play on Elysium. I have fun, meet great people and enjoy it thoroughly that I wouldn't get otherwise from the retail experience. I guess that makes me a bad guy.
Oh well. It's not like anyone is looking for praises for playing on that server but the enjoyment of it all. On one hand I agree with people and Blizzard's rights but it's not like a small child in africa is going hungry because of it, in fact it's barely a dent (not even that) on a big multi-billonaire company powerhouse.
I am able to sleep at night while playing on it. Thankfully.
Well, I'll stop replying to the same argument towards my analogies from 20 different people until one of them actually responds to a comparison of WoW Legacy and Blizzard versus P99 and SOE / DBG. Whether my analogies are over the top or not is once again, besides the point. If a company like SOE / DBG understands how to make customers happy, then what does that make Blizzard look like who obviously has way more financial capital? Also, I'm sure SOE / DBG also have investors interests to look out for but again, that didn't stop them from approving P99 with a green light to move forward with a similar product as a WoW legacy server.
Your feelings don't make any difference here other than to rationalize illegal behavior. Even if one agrees with your point between P99 and Nost... so? You think Blizzard is being greedy and not providing something to a particular playerbase... so? That doesn't change the laws and the rights of Blizzard regarding their IP.
Legitimate question. Simple - and the same - answer in both cases.
Each company assessed the (respective) situation and made a strategic business decision designed to maximise their profit. The fact that DBG legitimised P99 and Activision Blizzard didn't doesn't change the answer it simply raises the follow on question: why did they come to different "answers"?
We don't know - and unless the companies talk to each other they won't know either. I can speculate and whilst the suggestions won't be "the answer" they will hopefully provide some possible insights:
WoW is operated under licence in different companies (China, Malaysia, Brazil, Thailand etc.). These companies pay Blizzard and expect to make money running WoW. If Blizzard had given Nost the go-ahead there might be "demands" from these companies for financial compensation.
EQ1 is DBGs oldest game. We don't know what its financial health is but at some point "closure" will happen. Keeping P99 going would provide DBG with an "exit strategy".
Nost players can be seen as lost revenue for Blizzard; P99 players are not lost revenue for DBG - they were not part of SoE's revenue stream and will not have been factored in to any price that CN paid Sony. They could actually be seen as a possible upside.
Numbers. Nost players are a tiny % of the WoW playerbase. P99 a much bigger % of the EQ1 playerbase. Again possible upside.
Could P99 at some stage run the operation servers?
Blizzard touched on their reputation if WoW was operated in a "non-quality" manner - so a reputation risk.
And so on. There will have been a bunch of reasons in both cases along those lines. And they led to different answers.
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Do you know the details on the agreement between P99 and SoE/DGC? If you don't then you are just guessing like I would be. Do you know the details about what Blizzard and Nost talked about at the meeting? No? Well then again you would be guessing just like I would be. So before you construct this ridiculous comparison between someone who puts people's lives in danger and an entity that owns the rights to ENTERTAINMENT please make sure it's based on your actual knowledge and not a construct of your own making.
The level of ignorance and stupid that this subject breeds everytime it comes up is astounding ..
On to Blizzard, I'm not sure what they are doing is "evil" since they have a right to reform their IP as they see fit. People honestly believe that when they purchase a product that requires official servers to connect to said product, that it makes it their's when it doesn't. Its just like saying that you're buying games on Steam when you honestly are not. You are renting licenses on the Steam platform. If the company or Steam decide to discontinue downloading of said product, well you're SoL. Honestly, there's not way around this either since even hard copy single player games require online downloads to become playable for the most part (see Fallout 4).
The first part of this video gives a bit more thought on the future of gaming as a whole, which people might want to think more about as it becomes an increasing reality:
As for Blizzard and legacy servers, they clearly don't think it worth the trouble. I for one am inclined to believe they know better than a small, rabid group of internet loudmouths whether it would be profitable and efficient or not.
They spoke with the Nost team, and no doubt have evaluated all the details -- surely multiple times by now -- and found the results underwhelming. Or, maybe, they just don't want to go backwards, and would rather move forwards with their own production.
Then again, they really didn't have a chance to build Legacy servers of their own, after all this started, before Nost tried to ransom their IP. For all we know, Blizzard could have been actually working on some of their own -- let's all remember how slowly Blizzard actually does things.
Regardless, whatever hopes the Vanilla fans had for an official server have been killed by the terroristic behavior, I'm willing to bet. So, congratulations to the team for accomplishing the opposite of their goals, and hopefully ending up in court.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
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Blizzard is not really in that seat are they... With a stable moneymaker, two massive hits in recent years and to cap it off some of the best overall reputation (outside of bitter WoW vets) in the biz... They can afford to take their time with this since it is not a market that exactly is going away in the coming 10-30 years
This have been a good conversation
That is why Orange McDuckface got a new office. Blind faith...
This have been a good conversation
The real events went something like this:
DBG was preparing to release a new wave of progression servers around the same time P99 was preparing to release Velious. The Velious release on P99 would have undermined their own servers, so they made a quick-and-dirty deal with the P99 team to postpone their Velious release in exchange for "giving them the green light".
My guess is DBG probably did approach them and give them an ultimatum. The delay of P99 was likely the equivalent of settling things out of court.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You can't prove anything with regards to this. In addition, they wouldn't of even asked them to come at all if they weren't interested in what they had to say. If people stayed after the circus that was WoD, then nothing can harm their profits and they wouldn't even give a literal piece of crap in the bathroom to the legacy community. But not being convinced that legacy is the right move for the game right now does not mean they did not want to hear a presentation -- especially after one of their own asked them to do such in the past. Though if what Nost is saying is correct about the 10% thing, then it's likely that there aren't as many "hardcore" vanilla fans as thought.
How can we expect people to go to an official server when free servers are so low? Or if Blizzard can't do anything about servers in territories where law doesn't apply to them? Releasing the code prematurely pretty much gave Blizzard competition against their own product. Legion has shown that they still have a lot of people coming back each expansion. They don't need the hassle of recreating the vanilla servers when there's a very popular free one out there that Nost gave free press to, as well as all their good will and talking power with Blizzard as a corporate entity in this.
This just showed the retention numbers to blizzard, as well as many only wanting free stuff with them still not willing to stay or transfer over to new servers once released (and this is with characters being transferred as well, which won't be an option with official servers).
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Your feelings don't make any difference here other than to rationalize illegal behavior. Even if one agrees with your point between P99 and Nost... so? You think Blizzard is being greedy and not providing something to a particular playerbase... so? That doesn't change the laws and the rights of Blizzard regarding their IP.
Having said that, nothing stop them to just allow their Vanilla code to be used freely as long as it is not for commercial reasons (like P99)
The truth though is that Blizzard knows those servers are actually pretty popular, Nostalrius alone had almost 1 Million active players, and they know that those Servers steal lots of customers from their Live Servers.
Blizzard knows that making their own Legacy Servers will be profitable, however they also know that if they do open such servers they will sell less expansions, which are expansive to make.
I would honestly pay for all their crappy expansion to play in one of their Legacy Server and obviously I would pay for a subscription as well.
It make sense to me that if you want to play any version of WoW you have to pay for the all package, expansions included, even if you don't play them.
To me it is a win win situation, but Blizzard thinks differently.
maybe. . .
. . .maybe not.
at least in the USA.
mayhaps you should read about the relevant DMCA changes passed into law in '15. . .
do you mean this?
To me the movie and game & software industry is too greedy, only copyright I care about is those of small home individuals / artists in certain games / apps that is all.
As for Blizzard they really need to give peeps what they want.
Oh well. It's not like anyone is looking for praises for playing on that server but the enjoyment of it all. On one hand I agree with people and Blizzard's rights but it's not like a small child in africa is going hungry because of it, in fact it's barely a dent (not even that) on a big multi-billonaire company powerhouse.
I am able to sleep at night while playing on it. Thankfully.
Each company assessed the (respective) situation and made a strategic business decision designed to maximise their profit. The fact that DBG legitimised P99 and Activision Blizzard didn't doesn't change the answer it simply raises the follow on question: why did they come to different "answers"?
We don't know - and unless the companies talk to each other they won't know either. I can speculate and whilst the suggestions won't be "the answer" they will hopefully provide some possible insights:
- WoW is operated under licence in different companies (China, Malaysia, Brazil, Thailand etc.). These companies pay Blizzard and expect to make money running WoW. If Blizzard had given Nost the go-ahead there might be "demands" from these companies for financial compensation.
- The co-ordination may boost sales https://www.everquest.com/news/project-1999-daybreak
- EQ1 is DBGs oldest game. We don't know what its financial health is but at some point "closure" will happen. Keeping P99 going would provide DBG with an "exit strategy".
- Nost players can be seen as lost revenue for Blizzard; P99 players are not lost revenue for DBG - they were not part of SoE's revenue stream and will not have been factored in to any price that CN paid Sony. They could actually be seen as a possible upside.
- Numbers. Nost players are a tiny % of the WoW playerbase. P99 a much bigger % of the EQ1 playerbase. Again possible upside.
- Could P99 at some stage run the operation servers?
- Blizzard touched on their reputation if WoW was operated in a "non-quality" manner - so a reputation risk.
And so on. There will have been a bunch of reasons in both cases along those lines. And they led to different answers.